Lane Kiffin to USC

[Dback Jon]

Breaking

 

[clif]

wowza

 

[Gaddabout]

Good fit. I'm going to really enjoy hating them now.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's amazing, they're waiting to hear from the NCAA on football and they hire a guy who was violating NCAA rules before he could finish signing his name at Tennessee?

Why don't they fire O'Neil and see if Tarkanian will take the basketball job while they're at it.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Hoover was right - USC crapped the bed. Not only is Kiffin a maniacal and loathsome scumbag, but he's a mediocre coach with NCAA baggage going to a program that's facing pretty serious allegations.

It's been fun USC, make way for the Ducks and Dawgs.

 

[Russ Smith]

Hoover was right - USC crapped the bed. Not only is Kiffin a maniacal and loathsome scumbag, but he's a mediocre coach with NCAA baggage going to a program that's facing pretty serious allegations.

It's been fun USC, make way for the Ducks and Dawgs.

They sure did get an interesting staff though. Chow is leaving UCLA to return to SC, and they get Orgeron and Monte Kiffin.

But yeah, Kiffin was in hot water with the NCAA right away, Orgeron was had issues when he was a HC at Ole Miss, not exactly a staff of choir boys.

We'll see if I'm a recruit I still want to know what the NCAA does before I commit.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

They sure did get an interesting staff though. Chow is leaving UCLA to return to SC, and they get Orgeron and Monte Kiffin.

But yeah, Kiffin was in hot water with the NCAA right away, Orgeron was had issues when he was a HC at Ole Miss, not exactly a staff of choir boys.

We'll see if I'm a recruit I still want to know what the NCAA does before I commit.

Agreed, great staff. Unfortunately you need a head coach that can control the assistants and players and USC just hired a guy that can't even control himself.

This will all end very badly for USC, Tennessee although being the odd man out at the moment should be happy for their program over the long-term. Kiffin is simply a complete headcase.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

This is Tim Floyd to Arizona Part II. Only that it doesn't appear that Lane Kiffin's players at UT are going to talk him out of leaving after verbally agreeing to the deal like Floyd.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I guess I'll just disagree with everybody here and say I think this was a good hire. I think SC is going to get slapped on the wrist and SC and Kiffen will be good together in the long run. He is a good offensive mind and an amazing recruiter. I don't ever see the NCAA really cracking down one of their glamour programs like SC and Kiffin will be there on the other side with his all star staff.

I think Tennessee should be upset as Kiffin is a good coach and I'll be interested to see whom they pursue.

 

[Lefty]

I guess I'll just disagree with everybody here and say I think this was a good hire. I think SC is going to get slapped on the wrist and SC and Kiffen will be good together in the long run. He is a good offensive mind and an amazing recruiter. I don't ever see the NCAA really cracking down one of their glamour programs like SC and Kiffin will be there on the other side with his all star staff.

I think Tennessee should be upset as Kiffin is a good coach and I'll be interested to see whom they pursue.

I think this was a great hire for USC. Lane knows how to recruit and he is very familiar with southern Cal. I think he is a very good fit for USC. Recruiting should not take a big hit for the Trojans this year like we thought it was. Also, getting Chow was a big get.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Kiffin has proven he can recruit - when he breaks the rules.

His value running an offense is highly debatable, Carroll and Sark ran him off for a reason.

 

[HooverDam]

Welp, Kiffin, Coach O...interesting. They should be able to recruit the heck out of things until the NCAA comes down on them. With rumors that the NCAA is already going to be doing that, this seems like a weird hire. You'd think SC would do sorta like ASU did by hiring Rob Evans after Frieder, a good guy who can clean up the program and keep them out of trouble*.

Unfortunately for the rest of the Pac 10 I imagine Kiffin will be able to hold that recruiting class together pretty well, I was really hoping the Devils could pick off a few of their guys.

*Though not to that extreme, SCs alleged violations aren't as serious as ASUs, but you get my meaning.

EDIT: Hahah wow apparently the toothless idiots in Knoxville are 'rioting' after the news broke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zKkcfq3gec

You UofA guys need to show them how a real riot is done.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

What has Kiffin ever done in his entire career that shows anybody he can succeed at a program like USC?

 

[HooverDam]

weeeee this is fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPAJTGOSK00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vHMKn0QCxI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcDuXgX-8E

what a bunch of inbred retards

EDIT: Oohh and some anti Lane graffiti:
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6501/a250552448417ca2c8c1bf4.jpg

(dont click if bad language offends you)

 

[clif]

lol. raise your hand if you thought Lane Kiffin was ever going to stay in freaking Tennessee for the long haul. The guy is ambitious and bold if nothing else. I admire that in a way. There would have been plenty of guys who would have stayed even when they weren't happy. He did what he wanted to do and people shouldn't be mad at him for that.

 

[Gaddabout]

I think Tennessee should be upset as Kiffin is a good coach and I'll be interested to see whom they pursue.

Based on what evidence? So far he's been hired on his reputation under Carroll, because we all know his teams have crapped the field. His experience as a head coach consists of:

- 1.3 seasons with the Oakland Raiders where he was 5-15.
- 1 season at UT where he was 7-6

His biggest claim to fame is he was the youngest head coach in both NFL and NCAA FBS history.

I have great respect for Monte Kiffin and Norm Chow, but they won't be the one running the show. That will be the brat in the visor spouting off about stuff he has no clue about when anyone puts a mic or a camera in his face.

FWIW, in my 40 years USC has only had one coach who failed to recruit SoCal well, and that was Tollner. Soft head coach with a soft staff. Tollner's disinterest in recruiting is what set up ASU's first Rose Bowl run and gave UW and Oregon a foothold into the LA market. Even Larry Smith, who Mao can tell you couldn't help but start crying when someone put a camera in his face, recruited fairly well and set up Robo II.

 

[boisesuns]

This will be interesting to see him run his mouth about the Pac 10 coaches now, and throw fits on the sidelines and at press conferences.

His ego certainly fits at USC, but it might actually factor in to a few losses.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Kiffin has proven he can recruit - when he breaks the rules.

His value running an offense is highly debatable, Carroll and Sark ran him off for a reason.

Based on what evidence? So far he's been hired on his reputation under Carroll, because we all know his teams have crapped the field. His experience as a head coach consists of:

- 1.3 seasons with the Oakland Raiders where he was 5-15.
- 1 season at UT where he was 7-6

His biggest claim to fame is he was the youngest head coach in both NFL and NCAA FBS history.

I have great respect for Monte Kiffin and Norm Chow, but they won't be the one running the show. That will be the brat in the visor spouting off about stuff he has no clue about when anyone puts a mic or a camera in his face.

FWIW, in my 40 years USC has only had one coach who failed to recruit SoCal well, and that was Tollner. Soft head coach with a soft staff. Tollner's disinterest in recruiting is what set up ASU's first Rose Bowl run and gave UW and Oregon a foothold into the LA market. Even Larry Smith, who Mao can tell you couldn't help but start crying when someone put a camera in his face, recruited fairly well and set up Robo II.

Well i'll build my case.

First he was hired at those two stops for a reason. Oakland is an untenable situation. I think every one would admit that. Just look at what Norv Turner has done with a better infrastrucuture in place. So I throw that out the door.

Then at Tennessee he was 7-6 but destroyed rival Georgia, and played tough two far superior teams on the road in Alabama and Florida.

Plus he made an absolute piece of crap in Crompton look some what servicable. There was progress.

Let's not forget Sabans first year in the SEC in which he went 7-6 and lost to freaking SW Alabama or some Division 2 program. Obviously Saban had had prior NCAA success, but he is older and was an absolute bust in Miami. Took him a year and we all know Lane can recruit and was in the process of locking up a Top 5 class at Tennessee. They were on their way.

I actually think Sarkasian is massively overatted. He went 4-7 with the #1 NFL prospect under center and as all us UA fans know they should have been 3-8. After Kiffin was "pushed out" (link Mao? - seems to me like he took a better job?) the USC offense was never the same.

See here:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/01/12/kiffin.usc/index.html?eref=sihp

In his first USC stint, Kiffin proved to be an excellent talent evaluator and called plays (along with current Washington coach Steve Sarkisian) for the 2005 Matt Leinart-Reggie Bush offense that averaged 580 yards and 49 points per game.


So he has assemebled an All star staff, knows Pac-10 and LA, knows offense, and is young and up and coming. As I already stated I think SC will get slapped on the wrist and Lane will likely stay on the straigh and narrow intially. Does he blur the lines from time to time? Sure but most coaches in NCAA do and that who hostess thing doesn't seem as bad as people make it out to be. And that was the biggest piece of evidence on why he is shady.

If you ask me Urban Meyer is a much bigger slime ball and if you think UF is clean you are kidding yourself.

Basically I think he was a good young prospect for SC to get who has ties and will carry on the Carroll legacy.

Will he most definitely be a success? I don't know. But as detailed above alot of the pieces are in place.

I think alot of people just don't like him and his overall cocky demeanor ( I in fact do like it) and want to see him fail and are probably a little bias. Lord knows he is getting killed right now for leaving the legendary SEC.

I like the hire.

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[MigratingOsprey]

I think this is a very good short term solution and a long term bomb waiting to go off

kiffin is nothing if not ambitious - he no doubt wants back in the NFL game

he has also shown that he's willing to play a little fast and loose with his program and will be operating under a much brighter light in USC

right now they have an established network of boosters and friends of the program - people who need to be managed and kept in line

i'm not sure if kiffin is savvy enough to do it and do it well

I see him doing anything and all things to maintain recruits and continue the success - grabbing an NFL job and leaving USC holding the bag on a lot of things

 

[Gaddabout]

Well i'll build my case.

First he was hired at those two stops for a reason. Oakland is an untenable situation. I think every one would admit that. Just look at what Norv Turner has done with a better infrastrucuture in place. So I throw that out the door.

Then at Tennessee he was 7-6 but destroyed rival Georgia, and played tough two far superior teams on the road in Alabama and Florida.

Plus he made an absolute piece of crap in Crompton look some what servicable. There was progress.

Let's not forget Sabans first year in the SEC in which he went 7-6 and lost to freaking SW Alabama or some Division 2 program. Obviously Saban had had prior NCAA success, but he is older and was an absolute bust in Miami. Took him a year and we all know Lane can recruit and was in the process of locking up a Top 5 class at Tennessee. They were on their way.

I actually think Sarkasian is massively overatted. He went 4-7 with the #1 NFL prospect under center and as all us UA fans know they should have been 3-8. After Kiffin was "pushed out" (link Mao? - seems to me like he took a better job?) the USC offense was never the same.

See here:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/01/12/kiffin.usc/index.html?eref=sihp

In his first USC stint, Kiffin proved to be an excellent talent evaluator and called plays (along with current Washington coach Steve Sarkisian) for the 2005 Matt Leinart-Reggie Bush offense that averaged 580 yards and 49 points per game.


So he has assemebled an All star staff, knows Pac-10 and LA, knows offense, and is young and up and coming. As I already stated I think SC will get slapped on the wrist and Lane will likely stay on the straigh and narrow intially. Does he blur the lines from time to time? Sure but most coaches in NCAA do and that who hostess thing doesn't seem as bad as people make it out to be. And that was the biggest piece of evidence on why he is shady.

If you ask me Urban Meyer is a much bigger slime ball and if you think UF is clean you are kidding yourself.

Basically I think he was a good young prospect for SC to get who has ties and will carry on the Carroll legacy.

Will he most definitely be a success? I don't know. But as detailed above alot of the pieces are in place.

I think alot of people just don't like him and his overall cocky demeanor ( I in fact do like it) and want to see him fail and are probably a little bias. Lord knows he is getting killed right now for leaving the legendary SEC.

I like the hire.

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I have no doubt USC will continue recruiting well. Like I said before, there was only a brief window in my lifetime that USC didn't recruit well, and that was because they stopped trying. Ed Orgeron alone will bring in 5-star athletes by the bundle.

I think Kiffin has been handed a program with enough talent to field two 9-win teams. USC will be good initially -- good enough to win the conference championship a time or two. If Kiffin's smart he rides that success back to the NFL. If he sticks around I think he will drive that program into the ground because, unlike Tennessee, he has another program in his own backyard where HS coaches will be happy to cater to when they get tired of Kiffin's very, very, very negative recruiting style. Kiffin is beyond immature. I think when people get an up close look at him he's going to look like the coach most USC fans said he was when he was running the offense -- too young for the job, promoted too quickly, never having to be humbled by earning his way up the ranks.

 

[Gaddabout]

Kiffin's UT timeline from ESPN:

Feb. 5: Kiffin forced by SEC to apologize for accusing Florida head coach Urban Meyer of recruiting violations.

Sep. 19: Loses 23-13 to No.1 Florida. Tennessee was a 30-point underdog because Vegas thought Meyer would pound Kiffin for his disrespect.

Oct. 24: Loses 12-10 to Alabama as Terrence Cody blocks potential game-winning field goal on final play. (Alabama's closest game of season.)

Oct. 26:: The SEC reprimands Kiffin for criticizing officials who worked the Volunteers' game against Alabama.

Oct. 31: Defeats South Carolina 31-13 in blackout game (Tennessee unveils black jerseys).

Nov. 12: Three freshmen involved in robbery (two were later kicked off the team).

Dec. 31: Loses 37-14 to Virginia Tech in Chick-fil-A Bowl.

Jan. 12, 2010: Becomes USC head coach.

Kiffin also leaves behind some unfinished business: Tennessee faces at least two more recruiting violations as the NCAA continues an ongoing inquiry into infractions, such the possible misuse of recruiting hostesses and impermissible visits.

 

[Russ Smith]

Chow is not official he's still at UCLA and SCott Wolf says UCLA is fighting hard to keep him.

I posted this on the Cards board. here's my issue with Kiffin. He's imploring recruits at USC to honor their commitment while Ed Orgeron is in Tenn imploring UT recruits scheduled to start classes today at UT to NOT enroll and instead come with us to USC. That's complete hypocrisy.

 

[Gaddabout]

He's imploring recruits at USC to honor their commitment while Ed Orgeron is in Tenn imploring UT recruits scheduled to start classes today at UT to NOT enroll and instead come with us to USC. That's complete hypocrisy.

Of all the things, this is the least that disturbs me. Not every coach does this in transition, but it's not uncommon. Classy? Not in the least. But not appalling as, say, how Dennis Franchione handled his departure from Alabama (left on a separate plane from Hawaii, notified his players by video conference -- many of them he worked hard to keep them from leaving themselves when two-year bowl ban was handed down from NCAA.

 

[Southpaw]

Very good move for Kiffin and USC. Lane was a total outsider in Knoxville. The SEC is the quintessential Good Old Boys Club. Kiffin is going from an unfriendly environment where that program is under the NCAA microscope, to a program that is a friendly environment that is under the NCAA microscope. It is a lateral move for him but he has friends at USC. Garrett will probably do anything to soften the blow and this might help. I don't think Lane Kiffin could wait to get out of Knoxville. In the Pac 10 USC is the big dog. In the SEC, Tennessee is #4, at best.

 

[clif]

I like Kiffin. No I don't follow the team nor do I have an ear to the ground in LA so i can't comment on the rumors and so called infractions. I just admire that the guy knows what he wants and isn't afraid to go get it. Who in their right mind would turn down that job? Living in LA..hotbed for talent...big fish in a small pond... millions to play with... and minutes from the beach. Please spare me the what about the kids bull crap. College football has never been about the kids. It is money. Sorry if the parents and kids at UT are too naive to realize that.