2007 Cardinals: LB & DB Analysis and Team Needs

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At SLB Karlos Dansby remians somewhat of an enigma. For a while last summer it appeared as if Dansby was AWOL...floating between doctor appointments and mental health breaks. Once the real games began Dansby was suddenly interested in making a charge. At first he seemed very rusty and grossly out of shape. As time wore on he regained some of his old aggressivenes and started to step his game up. When right, Dansby is a monster OLB who can stuff plays at the point of attack and get to the QB as well as any OLB in the NFC. His weakness is in pass coverage...where he lacks the pure speed to shadow TEs and RBs effectively...and he doesn't pick the ball up quickly enough to get his hands on errant passes.

The MVP LB this past year was MLB Gerald Hayes. Hayes returned from the IR like a man on a mission. He possesses the total package...he's quick enough and rangy enough to chase plays down laterally...strong and stout enough to blow inside running plays up (although he tends to align himself a little too far back from the line of scrimmage...probably because he worries about getting into pass coverage quickly enough...yet, in pass coverage Hayes is decisive and instinctive...he gets his hands on a fair number of passes...and may have the best hands of any Cardinal defender...in addition, Hayes, because of his aggressiveness and straight line speed, is a formidible blitzer. Hayes held up physically for most of the season, but didn't last the whole 16 games...which should give the Cardinals some concern, seeing as Hayes hasn't turned in a full season in the past three years. He was signed to a lucrative extension...the hope is that Hayes will be able to lead this defense on the field for years to come.

WLB Orlando Huff played lights out during the pre-season...but once the real games started he was a non-factor for most of them. He did make somwhat of a charge late in the season around the time the Cardinals were renewing contracts...but it was far too little--too late. Huff is a good athlete...but lacks the focus and grit to be a consistent force...and he's not the kind of WLB the Cardinals need because Huff isn't a prolific pass rusher.

SLB Calvin Pace never really warmed up to the position and was returned to his spot as a backup DE. Pace is an aggressive edge player, but needs simplified responsibilities (such as no pass coverage duties) to be effective. Such is also the case with 3rd year 3rd round enigma, Darryl Blackstock. If Blackstock's role was to charge hard off the edge every play as he was urged to do at Virginia...he's be pretty good...but, when asked to cope with the nuances of stunts and coverage responsibilities, Blackstock falters.

James Darling never was able to get rolling this past year due to injuries. He's a cagey veteran...a bit of a slow starter who tends to come on strong as the season progresses. At this point Darling's versatility may still be attractive to the Cardinals...yet, it may be time for the club to bring in a younger option.

The Cardinals found a good one late in the year in MLB Monty Beisel. Beisel had some solid years as a backup and special teams performer in New England. In place of Gerald Hayes at starting MLB, Beisel was more than up to the challenge and established himself as a playmaker. It would seem wise for the Cardinals, especially in light of Gerald Hayes' history of injuries, to hold on to Beisel. He shows good range and instincts...and started to show good angles and reads on the passing lanes in coverage.

The potential sleeper and wild card of the returnees is last year's 5th round pick, Brandon Johnson. Johnson has rare speed for an OLB...he's tall and matches up well with the tall, athletic TEs within the division (Jeremy Stevens, Vernon Davis and Joe Klopfenstein)...and we all saw in the Colts win over the Patriots how important it is to have linebackers who can cover TEs, as the Colts exploited the Pats' LBers to the tune of nearly 170 yards. Johnson needs to build strength so that he can be physical at the point of attack...and he needs to show some pass rushing ability as an edge rusher if he is going to have a shot at WLB. Otherwise, Johnson may just be relegated to nickle and dime packages.

In free agency, it would be a major coup for the Cardinals to sign Lance Briggs or Adalius Thomas. Both players will want blue chip contracts...and the Cardinals have plenty of blue chips in their piles to ante up for one of them.

The one LB in this draft to keep an eye on: MLB John Abate of Wake Forest. Whiz says he wants to play tough, physical football and this guy brings it...he's not the proto-typical MLB size-wise, but he fills the holes like a pitbull whose been thrown a T-bone...and with the Cardinals looking to add aspects of the 3-4 to their defensive repertoire, Abate would fit the bill.

LBers in the draft to consider in rounds 2-4: (1) Paul Posluszny, Penn. St. Lacks stopwatch speed, but has great instincts (could wind up to be a Mike Vrabel-type); (2) Rufus Alexander, Oklahoma...a speed OLB who plays well in coverage, but is not the edge-type of WLB the Cardinals are looking for...plus they already have a cover guy in Brandon Johnson; (3) Buster Davis, Florida St...this guy is small but very productive...a real finisher...although his history of injuries are a red flag; (4) Sleeper: Justin Warren, Texas A&M...has the size to speed ratio that teams covet...but lacks experience.

In the secondary...questions abound at LCB, RCB and FS. The team's defensive MVP, Adrian Wilson is the only lock to start in 2007...and Clancy Pendergast knows how to utilize Wilson's significant talents, although CP didn't seem to blitz Wilson nearly enough to my liking, a role that AW absolutely thrives in. In coverage, Wilson is better playing underneath, which is why the Cardinals need to add speedy cover 2 safeties this off-season.

Aaron Francisco is not a blazer, but he's a very aggreesive and instinctive player who certainly will figure into the team's plans. He could very weel be the starting FS if the Cardinals do not add one early in the draft or through free agency.

I think that the Cardinals will take a good long look at the two best defensive backs in this draft...and they are both free safeties: Reggie Nelson and Laron Landry. Both look like future Pro Bowlers...which makes them enticing at #5...or gives the Cardinals a reason to trade down a few spots to pick up an extra draft pick and snag one of these ballhawking centerfielders. Nelson is so athletic that he could also be tried at CB, if need be.

If the Cardinals pass on Nelson and Landry...they may take a run in later rounds at Michael Griffin (Texas), Josh Gattis (Wake Forest), Eric Weddle (Utah) or Tom Zbikowski (Notre Dame), who also excels as a punt returner.

One of the biggest decisions the Cardinals have to make this off-season is figuring out whether Antrel Rolle should stay at starting LCB or be move over to safety. Rolle has struggled mightliy for two years now at CB...he gives up way too much cushion and, when he doesn't, he lacks recovery speed. His footwork is poor and he doesn't play the ball. Yet. he's a punishing tackler...who forces the run with aplomb...which means that he is best utilized as a "roll up" CB who plays the flat, while the FS covers his deep third.

The free agent who makes the most sense for the Cardinals is CB Assante Samuel...who is everything that Antrel Rolle is not...a guy who can shadow with the best of them or hide in waiting to jump in on passes thrown his way...and a player who has great hands, something all the Cardinal CBs on the current roster lack.

Eric Green has the feet and the speed to be a solid RCB...and for a while he was forcing the run with a bang (which was supposed to be the question mark on him coming out of Va. Tech). The question mark now is whether Green has the head and/or the confidence to be a good NFL CB. My gut feeling is that he will start to blossom in his third season and that his talents will be on full display this season.

David Macklin is now a free agent and will likely sign elsewhere. He had a good first year with the Cards...but the past two years was toast in coverage...rarely if ever looking back for the ball as the good corners do.

Matt Ware has great size...but limited quickness...he really needs to put the pedal to the metal this year if he is going to make it as an NFL CB. He's a competitor...thus, it's possible Ware could make a good bid to stick.

The player to watch is CB Darryl Hunter, because of Hunter's rare speed...the book on him was that he was soft and unmotivated...but there were times this year on special teams where Hunter was very fast and physical.

This draft for CBs is a weak one. Even the most highly touted CB in this draft, Michigan's Leon Hall, has question marks about his speed. The best pro prospect of the group, IMO, is Pittsburgh's Darrelle Revis...but he's not a top 5 pick and he'll be well off the board by the time the second round rolls along. If Cal's Daymeion Hughes slides to the early picks in round two, he may be very tempting to take. While his recovery speed is a question mark, he's an instinctive gamer who plays with tremendous confidence...with a speedy saftey behind him, he could be another Assante Samuel.

The CB I like a lot for round 3 is Maryland's Josh Wilson...this guy has Ty Law written all over him...he's a smart, clever player who jumps routes at the right times...some players just always seem to be around the ball and Wilson has that knack...he's also a good return man, strong on his feet and shifty in the open field.
 
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Solid write-up as usual. Adibi isn't this draft, but with that said I do like him. Your list other LB candidates are nice and wouldn't hate to pick either of them.
 

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OK Mitch,

You have my mouth watering. Where are the DB's!!
 

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James Darling never was able to get rolling this past year due to injuries. He's a cagey veteran...a bit of a slow starter who tends to come on strong as the season progresses. At this point Darling's versatility may still be attractive to the Cardinals...yet, it may be time for the club to bring in a younger option.

The Cardinals found a good one late in the year in MLB Monty Beisel....

I would guess that Beisel takes Darling's spot on the roster. Mostly, as you say, an age issue. This would be Darling's 11th NFL season and he'll be 33 in Dec.
 
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Solid write-up as usual. Adibi isn't this draft, but with that said I do like him. Your list other LB candidates are nice and wouldn't hate to pick either of them.

You are right, Shogun. I forgot that Adibi elected to stay at VT...with how weak this class of OLBers is that may have been a mistake.

Thanks, pal.
 

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Nice write up Mitch. I agree with you about Monty Beisel. What a nice surprise he turned out to be. I agree with Duckjake that I think he will take Darlings spot on the roster. It's really nice to see Gerald Hayes play like I knew he would once he got healthy. I totally agree that Assante Samuel should be the top free agent that we go after. He has all the tools and will get even better.

If we can sign Samuel and either Briggs or Thomas at linebacker and draft a bigtime defensive end our defense will dominate and be a top ten D.
 
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Nice write up Mitch. I agree with you about Monty Beisel. What a nice surprise he turned out to be. I agree with Duckjake that I think he will take Darlings spot on the roster. It's really nice to see Gerald Hayes play like I knew he would once he got healthy. I totally agree that Assante Samuel should be the top free agent that we go after. He has all the tools and will get even better.

If we can sign Samuel and either Briggs or Thomas at linebacker and draft a bigtime defensive end our defense will dominate and be a top ten D.

I agree, Gary. Imagine this scenario:

The Cardinals add CB Assante Samuel and OLB Lance Briggs in free agency and draft FS Reggie Nelson in round one...Wow!
 

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Mitch, I think you're being very kind in regards to Huff. He WAS a factor on D--a negative one, IMO. I thought he was horrible.

Also, if the Cardinals can't find a suitable replacement in FA or the draft at WLB, do you think Beisel could play that position?
 
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Mitch, I think you're being very kind in regards to Huff. He WAS a factor on D--a negative one, IMO. I thought he was horrible.

Also, if the Cardinals can't find a suitable replacement in FA or the draft at WLB, do you think Beisel could play that position?

Well, Jason, I did say that Huff was a non-factor in most games...but I am glad you phrased it less euphemistically!

Beisel would be a factor as a run stopper at WLB, but he would have difficulty handling the coverage responsibiltities, due to his lack of speed (OLBers have more ground to cover on the perimeter than MLBers do in the middle)...and he probably wouldn't offer much as a pass rusher.
 

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Mitch,

Don't you think Rolle's performance this year was affected by his recovering from knee surgery? Some players take a two years to recover from knee surgery. Both Rolle and Green should improve with a better DB coach. Green needs to keep his cool during the game. However, I am not against signing a CB in free agency. Depth has been issue with this team for many years and having three starting CB would be a luxury we have never seen.
 

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Tom Zbikowski (Notre Dame), who also excels as a punt returner
Tom is graduating but I think he's one of 15 Irish seniors who will enroll in graduate school and come back to Notre Dame for a 5th year. The Irish have only 21 total players combined in their senior and junior classes and most of them are mediocre players so Charlie Weis asked a bunch of graduating players to come back and provide depth for one year.
 
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Mitch,

Don't you think Rolle's performance this year was affected by his recovering from knee surgery? Some players take a two years to recover from knee surgery. Both Rolle and Green should improve with a better DB coach. Green needs to keep his cool during the game. However, I am not against signing a CB in free agency. Depth has been issue with this team for many years and having three starting CB would be a luxury we have never seen.

I hope you're right, Goodyear Card. But...really...Rolle played the same way the year before prior to getting injured. He just doesn't seem to have a true CBs feet or recovery speed, nor does he seem to have any awareness of where the ball is, unless it's thrown way underneath him...as often happens when he gives up too much cushion.
 
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Tom is graduating but I think he's one of 15 Irish seniors who will enroll in graduate school and come back to Notre Dame for a 5th year. The Irish have only 21 total players combined in their senior and junior classes and most of them are mediocre players so Charlie Weis asked a bunch of graduating players to come back and provide depth for one year.

I think you are right, Skkorp. He is listed under Mel Kiper's junior rankings...upon checking them this afternoon.
 

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Thanks, Mitch, for the informative, sensible write-up. My summary of it would be: we're pretty well off, with many possibilities, at LB, not horrible at safety, and in really bad shape at CB, with a few unlikely prospects for an adequate staff.

If that's right, we should be making near-desperation plans re CB. I would not even glance at a LB in the first three rounds of the draft, despite BPA. Or any but the fastest FS. (Nelson? Speed listed as 4.5 on On The Clock Draft--not great) I don't know if Rolle is salvageable as a CB, but I'd start calling him a back-up SS or trade bait (if he has any value as that). Despite Macklin's faltering, I would make sure to retain him--his last 2 years (and EGreen's faltering) may be DG's fault (or we could send Grimm to have a little talk with CP about how to coach), and even if not he may be better than any alternatives. We should sure try to get Samuel, but that's a forlorn hope against the rest of the NFL....

So...trade down and hope for Revis (unless, of course, Thomas is there)? How many years in a row have we had OL and CB as our two overwhelmingly clear priorities? (And I'd still rank OL high--maybe good toward the end of the year, but we need proof that we can retain those 5, back them up and avoid injury, resolve the problem of Big as T/G, and have them continue to function well).
 

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Good stuff, I agree with almost everything. As far as WLB goes, the two options that we have is either to fix it in free agency or through the draft. I prefer free agency on this one, and although I don't think that we should overpay Lance Briggs or Adalius Thomas, we could definitely bring over Na'il Diggs or Cato June. If we don't go free agency, then I really like Stewart Bradley out of Nebraska in the third round.

As far as DBs, I really don't think that Francisco can start at FS. I saw him getting burned on the big play multiple times (twice in a rwo against Seattle) and we really need a guy who can backup our struggling CBs and allow them to play closer to the line. I think that if Brandon Merriweather is there in the second we have to take him, he's excellent in coverage and the only reason he isn't a first round prospect is the fight (which IMO isn't that huge of a deal). As far as CBs go, I'm dead set against getting Asante Samuel or moving Antrel Rolle to safety. We just need a nickel guy who can compete with Green, so a guy like Roderick Hood from Philly. Don't forget that this was practically Rolle's first season because of injury. Let's keep him at CB for at least next season and see if he shows improvement. Also, Clancy better not make him play ten yards off his man again, he should be covering the flats and getting in people's faces.
 

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Samuels great showing may not help us sign him as others will be gunning, but it may lower the target on Nate Clements, who I like as well if not better than Samuel. He is also a dynamite PR as well.
 

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I think Huff needs to be gone.He did play better at the end but he couldn't have played any worse earlier.

I've gone on record saying that i think Rolle will end up being a very good CB. I think the new staff will have him come in about 10 pounds lighter and then he'll gain some of his quickness back that was lacking after the knee injury. He'll still be a good run supporter vene if he's lighter. Plus, we all agree he may have had the worst coaching of any CB in the league. A knee injury, weight gain, and terrible coaching makes it hard to be successful. This will be his telling year.

I don't wnant to go into the year with Francisco as our only option at FS. Either draft a guy or sign a guy. I think Aaron is best as a 3rd safety and special teamer.

I like the draft trade down idea. As long as it's not too far down and we don't make the trade blunder of before. If a guy like Nelson or Landry slides into the 20's(i've seen 3 mocks recently that have Nelson in the mid to late 20's) i would dangle next years #1 to NE and pick one of those two up. NE is always loking to acquire future picks and they have 2 this year. I like Rufus Alexander.I was hoping Posluzny may slide into round 2 but he had a pretty good senior bowl week so i think he stays in round 1. The safeties i like are Griffin and Merriweather early in round 2 if we don't do any trading. Another guy to look at for FS is Tanard Jackson from Syracuse. He had some glowing reports from the senior bowl.
 

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I'd be shocked if Thomas or Briggs make it to FA untagged. However, WLB is a problem. I also think Ware should be at Safety. Wasn't he a fairly productive safety in college until Philly moved him to corner?
 

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Or any but the fastest FS. (Nelson? Speed listed as 4.5 on On The Clock Draft--not great)

Man we are so jaded with 40 times.

4.5 is great speed for a DB, and he plays fast on the field which is all that matters.

Of the 7 safeties taken in the first round of the draft from 2000-2006 their average speed is 4.47, the fastest was 4.4 even. Heck the average speed for CB's of the 19 selected is only 4.45. Nelson is plenty fast.
 

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About WLB, I’d be happy if we got a good FA, and I agree with McGirt and cbus about Huff, but there are also prospects of Darling and Brandon Johnson, which combine with the chance of a FA to give us good odds of being at least OK for LB. And there can be good WLB options found late in the draft or among UFAs, just as is the case for FS. My view is that safety and WLB are among the easiest positions to fill—“good enough” size and speed are reasonably common, and many weaknesses can be covered up by defensive scheme. Francisco may not be the answer, but he’s rawer than Rolle when quality of college experience is taken into account—if you think Rolle has a chance at CB, you have to rate Francisco as having more chance of improving enough at FS. Plus, if Rolle can speed up to adequacy at CB, he maybe can speed up to high quality at FS.

CB is where you need elite speed/skill more. Yes, Rolle was injured and had bad coaching, but I remember the same weaknesses—speed and pass defense—getting mentioned about him as a draft prospect. I think the odds of him becoming adequate are middling to low—yes, MAYBE it was coaching and the injury—and the odds of him becoming a shutdown CB are zero. Which means we have no odds-on future #1 CB. That implies that CB is a top priority, FS and WLB are secondary.

joeshmo, I probably do worry too much about 40 times, especially since we have no decent data yet (if we ever do). I meant that 4.5 was not great if we hope to use him as a CB--of course it's great for a FS. I’m probably too simpleminded about the CB position and too influenced by the image of Deion Sanders. Still, the nuclear threat from many teams is that the WR is going to blow past the CB—the size of that threat affects everything else done in the DB. Simple, but that’s why CP played the CBs so far back, and may have to till we get adequate speed/skill combos in our CBs. The less speed you have, the more fragile everything else is.
 

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About WLB, I’d be happy if we got a good FA, and I agree with McGirt and cbus about Huff, but there are also prospects of Darling and Brandon Johnson, which combine with the chance of a FA to give us good odds of being at least OK for LB. And there can be good WLB options found late in the draft or among UFAs, just as is the case for FS. My view is that safety and WLB are among the easiest positions to fill—“good enough” size and speed are reasonably common, and many weaknesses can be covered up by defensive scheme. Francisco may not be the answer, but he’s rawer than Rolle when quality of college experience is taken into account—if you think Rolle has a chance at CB, you have to rate Francisco as having more chance of improving enough at FS. Plus, if Rolle can speed up to adequacy at CB, he maybe can speed up to high quality at FS.

CB is where you need elite speed/skill more. Yes, Rolle was injured and had bad coaching, but I remember the same weaknesses—speed and pass defense—getting mentioned about him as a draft prospect. I think the odds of him becoming adequate are middling to low—yes, MAYBE it was coaching and the injury—and the odds of him becoming a shutdown CB are zero. Which means we have no odds-on future #1 CB. That implies that CB is a top priority, FS and WLB are secondary.

joeshmo, I probably do worry too much about 40 times, especially since we have no decent data yet (if we ever do). I meant that 4.5 was not great if we hope to use him as a CB--of course it's great for a FS. I’m probably too simpleminded about the CB position and too influenced by the image of Deion Sanders. Still, the nuclear threat from many teams is that the WR is going to blow past the CB—the size of that threat affects everything else done in the DB. Simple, but that’s why CP played the CBs so far back, and may have to till we get adequate speed/skill combos in our CBs. The less speed you have, the more fragile everything else is.

Nnamdi Asomugha of the Raiders was considered to be a first round bust, but this year he played like a top five cornerback in the league. It isn't absurd to say Rolle (who is very similar to Asomugha) could develop into a good number one corner given proper coaching (although I'm not completely sold on Teryl Austin, he's worlds ahead of Solomon). If we can get Rolle a better pass rush, a FS who can actually cover (not Francisco or Griffith), and a decent enough defensive system that works better towards his skills then I think he'd have an excellent chance to succeed.
 

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I like the trade down approach this year. If we can get an early teen and mid twenty pick, along with our high second, that should land us three of the top 30 players in this draft, given that a few teams will make some wild leaps of faith (hopefully we're not one of them).

A LB I would target with our first draft pick is Patrick Willis out of Ole Miss. Good speed, solid technique, and a high character guy to boot. He has the size to play inside but IMO will dominate on the outside.

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I like the trade down approach this year. If we can get an early teen and mid twenty pick, along with our high second, that should land us three of the top 30 players in this draft, given that a few teams will make some wild leaps of faith (hopefully we're not one of them).

A LB I would target with our first draft pick is Patrick Willis out of Ole Miss. Good speed, solid technique, and a high character guy to boot. He has the size to play inside but IMO will dominate on the outside.

Go Cards!!!

I wouldn't trade down that far. If you want to trade down, only do so slightly
 
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Blackstock and Johnson

The biggest knock (collective) on them is that neither could supplant Orlando Huff in the starting lineup.
 

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