2007 Offseason....

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Looking ahead to the offseason and the draft, let's assess our needs.

Offense:

We have the skill players across the board. We are set at starting WR, HB, QB and TE. We need 5 OL, a HB and a speed burner WR to be the 3rd or 4th, depending on what we do with Johnson. We need 7 players on offense. It may be possible that Lutui is our starting RG next year, so we may only need 6 players. The OL needs to be handled in FA, period. No rookies, period. Lutui will essentially be a rookie next year, so the other 4 positions need to be filled by vets.

The contracts we already have on the OL are a sunk cost and they should be treated that way. Cut the OL (maybe keep Leckey for depth). Let LD walk. Bite the bullet on the respective cap hits on Brown, Wells and Ross. Sign all FA vets. I have not looked at prospective OL FAs yet, so I can't name names at this point.

The other 2 positions (speed WR and FB) should be handled in the draft in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I'm fine with rookies at those positions.

Defense:

The gut of our DL looks like it may be set with Watson, Lewis, Dockett and Clancy rotating. Our DEs are questionable, but I don't think we could realistically address the entire OL and starting DEs in the same FA pool. Heck, addressing an entire OL is bad enough. Okeafor and Berry with Pace backing should suffice for now.

Our LB corps is pretty well filled out, but we do need a OLB starter opposite Dansby so Huff and Darling are relegated to strictly positions of depth and ST. I like the idea of Lance Briggs as a FA OLB.

Our secondary has some issues. First of all, the Ss (Wilson, Griffith, Francisco) are almost set. We finally need to move Rolle back as a FS to start opposite Wilson. This leaves decent depth with Francisco and Griffith. I also like Green as a starting CB and Macklin is fine as a 5CB. It would be nice to get a legit starting CB opposite Green via trade or FA, but since we'll have a high pick again, maybe that could be our #1 pick (ie, LaRon Landry, LSU) and we can address the depth of this position again in the 4th round.

This puts our definite positions of need as:

LT
LG
C
RT
FB
3WR
OLB
CB

If we can get a FA class to cover OLB and OL, the draft would supply the rest as well as ST and team depth.

As far as coaching goes, I'm all about burning this entire staff to the ground and giving Gruden the first shot followed up by Fisher. There is a ton of talent on this team and either coach would likely jump at the opportunity to add the final 8-10 pieces, which along with their strong motivational/fiery style of coaching, might have us playing next year....
 

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You lost me when u suggested we draft a FB in the 2nd or 3rd round..

I also disagree with your plan to fix the Oline...

There is no way to bring in 5 new quality FA linemen...

We need to draft at minimum two OLinemen in rounds 1-3 with one being a high pick... instant impact player... I dont buy the argument that Olinemen cant start from Day 1... Look at the Jets with Mangold and Ferguson...

We also need to go out and get a real center on the FA market...

My plan would be draft two Olinemen in rounds 1-3.. and sign at least 1 very good proven guy on the FA market...

Davis should be resigned to play guard... Milford Brown and Lutui should compete for the other spot...

We need a new center... and two new tackles.. and that should be fixed through the draft and a smart FA signing...


On defense... we need a pass rusher... Berry and Okeafor arent getting younger and both seem to slip in and out effectiveness...

Obviously we could use another LB to play next to Hayes and Dansby, but that 3rd guy isnt why we're losing games right now..... Adding a DB to go with Rolle, Green, Wilson, Francisco should be a high priority...

It looks like we're gonna have a high pick... and with no need for the franchise QB or RB... or no true Orlando Pace/Walter Jones OT... this would be a good year to trade down for and gather up more picks for rounds 1 and 2....

I really dont think this team needs that "franchise" type player... we already have them... we just need 4-5 guys who are gonna be pretty good...
 

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Shoot me but if we have a top 5 pick and Peterson or Lynch are there you take them and figure out what to do next. We don't have a breakaway RB on our roster, JJ is supposed to be the guy but we obviously have no faith in him.

There were 3 holes in this game where Edge got 8-10 yards, any of those 3 Petersor or Lynch are 20+ yards downfield easily, Edge is just not fast anymore. he's going to make people miss and fall forward and in no way is this HIS fault, but he will not succeed behind this OL. ANd I really think with the rest of the team if we have a breakaway RB, we're going to be much more dangerous.

if neither guy is there, draft an OL or a CB.
 

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Shoot me but if we have a top 5 pick and Peterson or Lynch are there you take them and figure out what to do next. We don't have a breakaway RB on our roster, JJ is supposed to be the guy but we obviously have no faith in him.

There were 3 holes in this game where Edge got 8-10 yards, any of those 3 Petersor or Lynch are 20+ yards downfield easily, Edge is just not fast anymore. he's going to make people miss and fall forward and in no way is this HIS fault, but he will not succeed behind this OL. ANd I really think with the rest of the team if we have a breakaway RB, we're going to be much more dangerous.

if neither guy is there, draft an OL or a CB.

OL or CB!:thumbup:
 
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You lost me when u suggested we draft a FB in the 2nd or 3rd round..

First of all, I should have been clearer in that the 2nd round should net us a speedy 3WR and we could draft our FB in the 3rd. Secondly, if we get a Larry Centers type FB, a 3rd rounder is very much worth that. I know that Centers was drafted later than that, but if we can get the best, or at least a top, pass-catching FB who has the girth to block, you don't pass on him in the 3rd simply because FBs don't "traditionally" go that high....

I'm cool with your idea of having Big as our LG, but you do realize that would set us back something like $11M, right? I'd rather spend half that on someone who is 30 pounds lighter and more fleet of foot. But, that's a completely different OL philosophy than the Cards have ever shown, so I digress....

I still disagree that we should start rookies on the OL. I think we'd be much better off with guys who are going into their 4th or 5th seasons and we should honestly be able to get at least 3 starter OL in FA. Obviously, the fire sale I mentioned on our current OL is not realistic, but I stated as much in my post. The guys we have now ideally would transition to 2nd string because we get better FAs/rookies to replace them. However, tehre is absolutely NO excuse not to cut Ross, period. Cap hits be damned, he needs to go....
 

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Draft O Line Period, Without O Line We Can Have A Team Full Of Pro Bowl Skill Players And Still Be Str8 Garbo Like We Currently Are.
 

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I Absolutely Agree About Ross He Needs To Be On The Next Thing Smokin !!
 

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Divide.... I just dont see where your finding quality 3-4 year Olinemen...

I just dont think they are out there unless u want to trade picks for one...

If your looking the FA route on Olinemen your probably gonna get one that is either at the tail end of his career or one that is coming off an injury... this years FA class just isnt gonna give u a great, young, Olineman...

I dont see the problem starting a rookie... especially since it'll likely be a 1st round talent at one of the positions...


I agree we gotta spend a substantial part of our draft on this part of the team... At some point u gotta ditch "best player available" and go with need... since it is so glaring in our case...

A 2nd round pick for a 3rd WR is would a waste in my opinion... You dont draft your 3rd WR in round 2...you get a legit starter in that round...


As has been stated... Im going OL and DB in rounds 1-3... After that I'll play around with best player with a focus on LB, OL, and DE..
 
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Well, like I said in my original posts, I have not looked at the FA list for 07 yet, so it may not even be possible to find enough decent FA OL to round out our starting lineup, but that's what this thread was designed for - discussion of the direction of our offseason....
 

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The reality is we can keep this exact roster intact and as long as we make a coaching change (and the right one) we will make the playoffs....

Other than that I would add a Center, a tackle and a cornerback and i truly believe thats all we need...

But this upcoming coaching decision is the biggest in franchise history - the right guy will put us over the top....
 

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We tried picking up FA OL and it's doesn't seem to work for us. I believe we need to DRAFT some Offensive Lineman preferrably Offensive Tackles. We already know you can have a great RB and without an OL he's not gonna do anything. BUILD AN OL and you can have almost anybody running the ball and be successful.
 

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We need to ADD as many linemen as we can in the offseason (truly, there are probably only a handful worth adding), but we shouldn't CUT anyone.

We need Big on this line at least for one more year. All of the guys that are starting for us now have value as backups at the very least.

You want 5 new starters? Okay, but don't shoot yourself in the foot by getting completely rid of what we have. Bring in 5 new guys to add to what we already have and declare it an open competition. Best 5 play.
 

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It all depends on who is available in FA as an OL. for example because I live in the bay area I can just about guarantee SF will let Kwame Harris walk because Adam Snyder is a better player. They might let Jonas Jennings walk too but unlikely. They're almost certain to let Larry Allen walk if he doesn't retire, at which time they probably move Baas to RG. Kwame Harris stinks, and will likely be the one guy SF lets get to FA. Baas is currently stuck as both backup C and backup guard but I don't see any way SF would trade him within the division, if they would, I'd love to get him I just love the kid's mean streak and Michigan OL's always seem to pan out.

If you look at just about any team in the NFL that's what you're going to find, the OL's that hit FA are the ones like Kwame Harris that stink, or guys well past their prime. Guys like Hutchinson are very rare, that's why the Vikings went to those lengths(the poison pill) to get him.


But if you can identify say 2 guys like Baas, young guys who are good enough to start but aren't yet starting, maybe you can trade for them relatively "cheaply" so you're not totally dependent on FA? The problem is, guys like that are gold in the NFL, a kid that can play 3 positions(both guard spots and C) are just too valuable.
 

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If we have an opportunity to trade for a guy like Baas (or any lineman who seems to be good enough to start but isn't because of circumstance), we should do it.
 

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If we have an opportunity to trade for a guy like Baas (or any lineman who seems to be good enough to start but isn't because of circumstance), we should do it.


Full disclosure, one of the reasons I like Baas so much is his picture he looks so much like Bam Bam Bigelow.
 
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To reiterate what I have been saying sincethe beginning of the season, Round 1-3 draft OT, OT, OC
Sign CB, DE, WLB
Round 4-7 draft depth
 

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