2008 Super Bowl: Arizona, Tampa, D.C.?

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N.Y./N.J. Super Bowl in 2008 may not come to pass
Tue Sep 23, 2003
By Tom Pedulla,
USA TODAY

New York-New Jersey, once a sentimental favorite to land the 2008 Super Bowl after 9/11, no longer might be a viable candidate.

NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue questioned whether representatives from that area, who are stalemated over renovations to Giants Stadium, will be in position to join Arizona, Tampa and Washington, D.C., in making presentations when owners vote Oct. 29-30 in Chicago.

Washington may essentially win by default if owners decide the concept of playing the game at a northern outdoor venue is cool rather than chilling.

"The commissioner has told our owner he would love to see the Super Bowl in Washington or New York," Washington Redskins (news) chief operating officer David Pauken said. "If there are challenges in New York, it would be helpful to us, certainly."

The obstacles are so great in New York-New Jersey that Giants executive vice president John Mara raised the prospect of going to court if there is no movement to respond to the team's view of a lease that was extended 10 years in 1995 and now will last until 2026. In exchange for the added years, the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority agreed to maintain the 80,242-seat stadium so it would be comparable to state-of-the-art venues.

"We don't want to have to resort to legal action to enforce it under the lease. That would be the last straw," Mara said. "But if it comes to that, so be it."

George Zoffinger, head of the NJSEA, is aware that a breakthrough is needed before owners meet next month to determine the 2008 Super Bowl site, among other business. But, he said, "We don't have to have the Super Bowl in 2008. Maybe we can have it in a later year."

Mara is not so sure there will be a second chance. "We are missing a big opportunity," he said.

Renovations that could make New York-New Jersey a serious player for Super Bowl XLII would cost an estimated $290 million. Zoffinger balks at that, saying he is engaged in a familiar confrontation between the public and private sector.

"We're in the same battle where taxpayers basically say that if wealthy team owners want to make improvements to increase revenue, they should do so with their own money."

Meanwhile, Mara knows time is beginning to work against New York-New Jersey if it is to receive consideration for 2008.

"The league has made it clear for some time that in order for us to be considered for a Super Bowl, Giants Stadium needed to be renovated and updated," he said. "I'm not sure they will allow us to make a presentation at the end of October.

"I am fairly sure there is no chance to get a Super Bowl without a renovation agreement in place."

The Jets are focused on building a stadium on Manhattan's west side that eventually could make an ideal Super Bowl venue since it would have a retractable roof. They are not involved in negotiations.

The Giants want more club seats, wider concourses to accommodate more concession stands and more restrooms. They are willing to pay for that in exchange for the right to operate the stadium and keep the vast majority of all revenue.

Zoffinger stressed that public money was utilized before Giants Stadium opened in 1976 and in upgrades since.

"We do want to have the Super Bowl and we want good relations with the Giants," he said. "But it cannot be at taxpayers' expense."

Zoffinger noted there is no assurance of attracting a Super Bowl even if he agrees to provide enhancements. He also expressed concern that activities surrounding the big game might be held in New York and therefore not bring much business or attention to the host state.

"I will not mortgage our future for a four-hour football game," Zoffinger said.

In contrast, there appear to be no major issues surrounding what Washington offers. According to Pauken, his team's draft proposal was extremely well-received.

"They had very minor comments on our proposal," he said. "I would say we substantially meet every requirement."

Although Pauken said a study of the average temperature in Washington in late January and early February during the last 20 years showed it to be in the mid-40s, he believes the greatest obstacle is convincing owners the Super Bowl can be enjoyed in a parka.

"We're competing with the weather," Pauken said.


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The DC or New York thing will happen, it's only a matter of time. I think we'll have to wait one more year after one of those two take a turn.
 

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If it means a return to holding the super bowl outdoors in any weather conditions, preferably in the afternoon, at least AZ is losing for a good cause.

Let's face it--the NFL doesn't need to schedule the big game for prime time to get more viewers. Their ratings will remain the same if they have the game at 2:00 EST or 4:42 EDT. Personally, I'd love to see a SB in Chicago or Green Bay--that's the way football is meant to be played.
 

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Are you guys serious? You don't want to see the SB played outdoors in cold-weather cities?
 

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I think that warm weather cities are more of treat. The tourists can golf, visit the beach, spend times out doors, etc.

On KDUS Don Debaca used to be with the Raiders (scout I think) & he knew some people with the 49ers.

For the 1982 Super Bowl XVI in Detroit, the 9ers hated it. They were constantly stuck in snow traffic & arrived at the game only 45 minutes prior to kickoff.

The city had the cross walks covered, but there was little to do outside of the convention center.
 

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Originally posted by Pariah
Are you guys serious? You don't want to see the SB played outdoors in cold-weather cities?

Put it this way. Playing in a warm weather city neither team would have an advantage. We're not talkin 106 degrees warm like the last Cards game. We're talking anywhere from 60 to 75 degrees. Imagine a cold weather Super Bowl with the Packers playing the Dolphins. You don't think the Pack would have a big advantage? I don't even like the Super Bowl played on Astro Turf.

Also, image laying down a grand for a seat a the Super Bowl. Would you rather be sitting in 65 degree weather or, 15 degree weather?
 

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Originally posted by maddogkf
The city had the cross walks covered, but there was little to do outside of the convention center.

Come on dude, there's plenty to do there!

Buy drugs, panhandle, or solicit prostitutes!
 

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You can't ask all the corporate CEO's and VP's to give up their Golf and Party tents then set out side for 4 hours in sub freezing weather.:D
 

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Are you telling me there's nothing to do in NY or Chicago or Boston, or even Denver for that matter, if it's snowing? Come on.

Sure, Detroit sucks, but there are a lot of great cities in the league that are cold towns in the winter.

As for a weather advantage, I say that the elements are part of the game. Would the Pack have an advantage over Miami in the snow. Probably, but that's a pretty extreme example. What if the game was held in Miami? Would they then have an advantage over the Pack? You bet.

I'm not opposed to the game being held in warm weather locales, I'd just like to see a great town like NY or Chicago also get a fair shake every once in a while. I AM opposed to the game being held inside and at night.
 

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Originally posted by Pariah
What if the game was held in Miami? Would they then have an advantage over the Pack? You bet.

How?
 

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Originally posted by earthsci
How?

...the MIAMI dolphins? How would the MIAMI dolphins have an advantage over an opponent in a superbowl played in MIAMI?

It's a home game, then, son. No travel. More Dolphin fans than Pack fans or neutral observers. Familiar surroundings.
 

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