2011 Cardinals: Off-Season Wishes

[Osbern61]

How about trading the #5 down to the 15-20 range and extra picks and then trading that pick for Kolb? That would be more fair.

Or better yet, flip picks with Philly (will be no better than #23) for Kolb. Maybe throw in some mid round picks as well if needed

If they want Kolb, that would be the route to go.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

How about trading the #5 down to the 15-20 range and extra picks and then trading that pick for Kolb? That would be more fair.

Or better yet, flip picks with Philly (will be no better than #23) for Kolb. Maybe throw in some mid round picks as well if needed

Why would Philly have an interest in paying the enormous monetary compensation associated with the #5 pick?

Answer, I suggest, is they don't.

It seems more likely that one can flip a pick with someone who is already in the top 10, as they are already on the hook for a lot of $$$.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I could see the Eagles want to shore up their CB issues and get a guy like Peterson at #5 spending the money or not - hes a game breaker and plays a position that is their biggest deficiency. He would also be the answer to getting rid of Colvin on punt returns.

I say was swap first rounders with Eagles, Give them our 4th this year and a #2 next year. I think thats fair on both sides and gets us the young, but experienced QBOF we need.

Then I go sign Marc Bulger as insurance.

With our late first round pick, I go OT or OLB depending on BPA.

For our big signing I go get David Harris of NYJ or Woodley if we can somehow get him.

I also bring in Zach Miller (home town boy), Kiwanuka, Eric Wright, and Sidney Rice ( I might be dreaming on this one but his injury might bring his price down ) to mid tier deals. Maybe a depth tackle can be brought in like Doug Free.

I let Breaston walk. Resign Deuce.

Bring in Butler as DC. Allow him to revamp staff as he sees fit.

Then rounds 2 - 7, I go OL, LB, CB, S, WR with BPA taken at each pick.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

If we don't trade back into the first round to get Costonzo, we should really check out Tyron Smith out of USC. Like Costonzo, he's a bit undersized, but he's a freak athlete. That's the future of the LT position at the NFL level.

 

[Cardiac]

I could see the Eagles want to shore up their CB issues and get a guy like Peterson at #5 spending the money or not - hes a game breaker and plays a position that is their biggest deficiency. He would also be the answer to getting rid of Colvin on punt returns.

I say was swap first rounders with Eagles, Give them our 4th this year and a #2 next year. I think thats fair on both sides and gets us the young, but experienced QBOF we need.

Then I go sign Marc Bulger as insurance.

With our late first round pick, I go OT or OLB depending on BPA.

For our big signing I go get David Harris of NYJ or Woodley if we can somehow get him.

I also bring in Zach Miller (home town boy), Kiwanuka, Eric Wright, and Sidney Rice ( I might be dreaming on this one but his injury might bring his price down ) to mid tier deals. Maybe a depth tackle can be brought in like Doug Free.

I let Breaston walk. Resign Deuce.

Bring in Butler as DC. Allow him to revamp staff as he sees fit.

Then rounds 2 - 7, I go OL, LB, CB, S, WR with BPA taken at each pick.

If we swap picks with the Eagles then that should be enough compensation. Moving from the twenties to #5 is a lot of "points" on the value chart.

I like your FA list but if we get Kolb I don't think we need Bulger but better safe then sorry I guess.

I like everthing else but I do want to re-sign Breaston.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

If we swap picks with the Eagles then that should be enough compensation. Moving from the twenties to #5 is a lot of "points" on the value chart.

I like your FA list but if we get Kolb I don't think we need Bulger but better safe then sorry I guess.

I like everthing else but I do want to re-sign Breaston.

With the 49ers also being a player for Kolb I think his price is going to get driven up. There is no way I see Philly getting rid of a young, relatively productive player, at the most important position in sports thats making a little more then 1.4 million next year with just a swap of first round picks.

The said asking price is a 1st and a 3rd - won't happen. But the Cardinals almost have to overpay IMO. Give em a 2nd next year and lets flip 1sts. Not a prohibitive trade for us and get us what is likely our #1 option at the position.

And if we get JUST Bulger I will go crazy. But if we get a high ceiling guy, then I want BUlger too. At the very worst he is a solid backup and most likely the guy that starts the season no matter what.

What people need to realize is we are best off with Skelton being #3 next year. Prove me wrong John, but I sure as hell ain't pinning the season to you and we all know it takes just one injury.

As a side note I am okay with getting rid of the #5 pick, as long as the plan is to spend on the myriad of FA's who are proven and at positions we need.

 

[Cardiac]

With the 49ers also being a player for Kolb I think his price is going to get driven up. There is no way I see Philly getting rid of a young, relatively productive player, at the most important position in sports thats making a little more then 1.4 million next year with just a swap of first round picks.

The said asking price is a 1st and a 3rd - won't happen. But the Cardinals almost have to overpay IMO. Give em a 2nd next year and lets flip 1sts. Not a prohibitive trade for us and get us what is likely our #1 option at the position.

And if we get JUST Bulger I will go crazy. But if we get a high ceiling guy, then I want BUlger too. At the very worst he is a solid backup and most likely the guy that starts the season no matter what.

What people need to realize is we are best off with Skelton being #3 next year. Prove me wrong John, but I sure as hell ain't pinning the season to you and we all know it takes just one injury.

As a side note I am okay with getting rid of the #5 pick, as long as the plan is to spend on the myriad of FA's who are proven and at positions we need.

Kolb is running a west coast offense. Reid as now traded Feely and McNabb and we all know Feely was a mirage. McNabb can't be as bad as he was in Washington but it looks like he is in rapid decline. I just am not a big Kolb fan at this point and don't trust Reid when he trades QB's.

I want Bulger and draft Gabbert at #5. I'm good with Newton at this point as well.

When Mayock grades these QB's then I'll know who I want, he is great at grading prospects and especially QB's.

 

[HookemCards]

1. Keith Butler as DC. Brings the LeBeau approach---which is the best in football.

2. Jim Tomsula as D-Line Coach. There will be sentiment to keep him in SF...but Harbaugh may not wish to retain any carry-overs. Love this guy's passion.

3. Jerry Olsavsky as Linebacker Coach. Is a defensive assistant in Pittsburgh and has been working with Butler. Brings an aggressive style.

4. Ed Donnatell as Secondary coach. Has done a great job with the Broncos. Might be retained...but might want a change of scenery.

5. Bill O'Brien as Offensive Coordinator. The Patriots' QB coach will run an offense that attacks the middle of the field to draw the safeties tight in order to throw deep up the sides. (Note: If Todd Haley is released---he's the #1 choice---otherwise go get O'Brien)

6. Tom Cable as O-Line Coach. A fresh, more aggressive approach is needed. As much as Whiz and Grimm have a "friendly" relationship, one has to question the accord they have in their professional relationship. There is no point in having Russ Grimm be the AHC, RGC and OLC on a pass oriented team.

7. Kevin Kolb as QB. Trade the #5 pick---beat the 49ers to him---because they could easily offer their 1st rounder. Kolb will need to be signed to an extension. He is in the last year of his current deal and, thanks to the Eagles already paying him a $10M signing bonus, his salary for 2011 is approximately $1.3M.

8. LaMarr Woodley as SOLB. Butler can build his defense around him.

9. Mathias Kiwanuka as WOLB. Brings size and edge speed.

10. Greg Jones of Michigan State (#38 pick in draft) as LILB. Forget that he's a little undersized, no player in the draft has a better nose for the ball or better finishing skills. Paired with Washington...wow!

11. D.J. Williams of Arkansas as TE (#69 pick in draft). Exactly what this offense needs...a TE threat up the middle and in the seams.

12. Anthony Castonzo of Boston College as LT. Trade next year's #1 to the Patriots to get him. We need a more athletic edge protector. Get the best draft pick you can in a trade for Levi Brown, or else have him battle Brandon Keith and Jeremy Bridges for the RT spot.

13. Logan Mankins as LG. Outbid the Patriots---they likely won't franchise tag him. Having O'Brien on board could help.

14. Deuce Lutui as RG. Re-sign him so he can stack slightly larger paychecks in his locker.

15. Chase Beeler of Stanford as challenger for the starting C spot (#102 pick in the draft). This guy is as smart and fundamental as they come.

16. Steve Breaston as #2 WR. Model effort guy---very good player who needs QB chemistry to thrive.

17. Broaden ST Coach Kevin Spencer's role to Practice Coordinator. Make these practices tougher...more focused on the fundamentals...and more focused on practicing situations that involve clock management.

1 - 4. I'm on board with all of these things. Butler has been with Lebeau for years now, surely he must have learned alot, plus the LB are the backbone of the Steeler D.

5 - 6. Don't expect any chances to the offensive staff. I'd actually be willing to let Grimm be OC, and hire an OL Coach, but I doubt this will be done.

7. Wouldn't do this trade unless Reid agrees to be our OC too. He's the Dick LeBeau of offense. McNabb was great there, then absolute crap the next year in Washington. Vick was an average at best QB, but great athlete until this year.

8. Doubt the Steelers let him get away. I'd be for it, but don't think it will happen. Second option would be Tambi Hall. I like Schoenfield alot, think he has a bright future.

9. Doesn't do much for me TBH

10. Would rather have David Harris or Steven Tulloch

11. In my perfect offseason, pick 69 is Denver's for Orton.

12. I'd be fine with trading down a bit and taking Castonza, but really does anyone have any confidence our current coaching staff can develop him. Its a bit tricky cause good LTs never hit FA, but if you can't develop or draft well, you're kind of screwed. Gaither (OL with bad backs scare me though) or Free (don't think we can outbid Jerrah though) would be my picks. Both are young and already fairly developed. Draft another prospect in the 4th or 5th (or both).

13. I wouldn't have much interest in Mankins, I feel we have alot of OG on this team. I'd actually move Brown inside to LG, and put Hadnot at C.

14. Yup.

15. Don't now much about him. He went to Stanford so he has to be smart, and played for Harbaugh so should be pretty disciplined, if thats where he's projected fine.

16. I like Breaston, and would re-sign him as long as he doesn't have huge $$ in his eyes. 4 years, 16m signing bonus 2m/3m/4m/4m salary. Not sure about those numbers really 6m hit seems a bit high for him at this point.

17. *shrug* ok

 

[DoTheDew]

Why would Philly have an interest in paying the enormous monetary compensation associated with the #5 pick?

Answer, I suggest, is they don't.

It seems more likely that one can flip a pick with someone who is already in the top 10, as they are already on the hook for a lot of $$$.

Mitch was suggesting we trade #5 for him straight up.

I think they would most definitely trade Kolb for the #5 straight up that's not even a question. Any time you have a chance to get an elite talent for someone who isn't even going to be playing for you on a regular basis you do it and worry about the $$$$ later.

 

[JeffGollin]

Kolb for the 5th best player in the 2011 draft?

This guy is so good that the current Eagle starting QB turned out to be Mike Vick.

I'm not saying Kolb's a horrible QB (although I'm not necessarily saying he isn't) but is he as good as, say Aaron Rodgers? Peyton Manning? Phillip Rivers? Tom Brady? Ben Roethlisburger? Or for that matter Eli Manning? Joe Flacco? Mark Sanchez?

The #5 best player - He could be the next Clay Matthews. He could be the Heyward DE dude from Ohio State. He could be the next Marcus McNeil or Steve Hutchison.

We should give up that opportunity in order to solve our short-range QB problem with a guy who some might describe as a "system QB????" (Bring back Pete Liske)!

Philly used a second rounder to pick up Kolb, and frankly, he's played pretty much like a second rounder should be expected to play. But a first rounder (in fact a top 5'er)? Mmmm...no.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Mitch was suggesting we trade #5 for him straight up.

I think they would most definitely trade Kolb for the #5 straight up that's not even a question. Any time you have a chance to get an elite talent for someone who isn't even going to be playing for you on a regular basis you do it and worry about the $$$$ later.

I guess we can argue this one in a number of ways, but let's not.

I'll keep my #5 pick, as a Card, and take my chance on "greatness", and pass on a second round whose reputation is based not on what he's done, but, rather - the dirth of first line QBs in the League.

 

[WildBB]

Kolb is running a west coast offense. Reid as now traded Feely and McNabb and we all know Feely was a mirage. McNabb can't be as bad as he was in Washington but it looks like he is in rapid decline. I just am not a big Kolb fan at this point and don't trust Reid when he trades QB's.

I want Bulger and draft Gabbert at #5. I'm good with Newton at this point as well.

When Mayock grades these QB's then I'll know who I want, he is great at grading prospects and especially QB's.

Agreed. I actually like McNabb a little more than Bulger, but draft the future, Gabbart or Newton.

McNabb as the stop gap for a year if he agrees. Give him an extra yr. with some guarantee as incentive.

 

[WildBB]

Philly used a second rounder to pick up Kolb, and frankly, he's played pretty much like a second rounder should be expected to play. But a first rounder (in fact a top 5'er)? Mmmm...no.

I thought when they drafted him, there was a lot of hub-bub in the media about them taking a QB in the 1st round, when McNabb was leading them to titles and SB appearances. I thought they took him in the 20's of the 1st.

 

[Cardiac]

Agreed. I actually like McNabb a little more than Bulger, but draft the future, Gabbart or Newton.

McNabb as the stop gap for a year if he agrees. Give him an extra yr. with some guarantee as incentive.

As I think about this McNabb is probably the better choice. It just seems that the Cards FO/coaches aren't that high on him.

As long as it isn't DA and we get a pass rusher and LT then were are back in the mix.

 

[WildBB]

As I think about this McNabb is probably the better choice. It just seems that the Cards FO/coaches aren't that high on him.

As long as it isn't DA and we get a pass rusher and LT then were are back in the mix.

Yup with better recievers he'll do better. He's got the best and some improving rooks, along with some vets. He'd do better here.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Agreed. I actually like McNabb a little more than Bulger, but draft the future, Gabbart or Newton.

McNabb as the stop gap for a year if he agrees. Give him an extra yr. with some guarantee as incentive.

I somehow doubt that McNabb sees himself as a "caretaker" at this point, and there are other options open to him, I suggest. Bulger is a better choice for that role.

 

[WildBB]

I somehow doubt that McNabb sees himself as a "caretaker" at this point, and there are other options open to him, I suggest. Bulger is a better choice for that role.

Other options, but none in the desert in a controlled environment.

It may suit him more than you think.

The rap on Bulger is he's allways folded under pressure. Which he'll see plenty of with this line. McNabb is a little mobile at least.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Other options, but none in the desert in a controlled environment.

It may suit him more than you think.

The rap on Bulger is he's allways folded under pressure. Which he'll see plenty of with this line. McNabb is a little mobile at least.

McNabb wants to be told that "he's the guy", I suggest. If the Cards grab a QB in the first round, then by definition he is not the guy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

why the heck do people keep bringing up Woodley? the steelers aren't the cardinals. they don't let their best players hit FA and walk, especially those in their prime.

 

[DoTheDew]

I guess we can argue this one in a number of ways, but let's not.

I'll keep my #5 pick, as a Card, and take my chance on "greatness", and pass on a second round whose reputation is based not on what he's done, but, rather - the dirth of first line QBs in the League.

Agree with you there. I personally wouldn't touch Kolb with a 10 foot poll. But if we are going to trade for him, the #5 like Mitch suggested would be insane. Just trying to find ways to make that deal better for us since it has been reported that we have interest in him.

 

[Catfish]

Mitch-----If you were our GM, we would certainly be on the way to fixing our problems. You had better be careful with all this 'fixin' however, becasue you don't want to upset all the Whiz trusters on this board who obviously know that the best way out of this mess is to pay Fitz mo-money now, while ignoring Lutui and Breaston.