2011 Draft: Robert Quinn, Freakshow

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Get to know a little bit about LB prospect Robert Quinn through a catch all.
(These kind of gatherers show a person how subjective scouting is.)
What's your take?

Updated for combine!

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OLBer
Ht: 6-4 Wt: 265
School: North Carolina

40 yard dash: 4.70
Arm Length: 34
Hand Size: n/a
Reps on Bench w/ 225lbs: 22

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http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=76762
NFP said:
Possesses a tall, long-armed frame with good overall muscle tone and girth through his lower half. Coils up well into his stance and does a good job maximizing his first step off the football up the field. At times doesn't sit into his stance as well as he could, but got the most part plays with good bend. Get his hands up very quickly off the snap and knows how to use his length to initially slip blocks on contact. However, he looks much more natural at this stage using his hands to shed blocks in the pass game than vs. the run.

In the pass game, he does a great job working a jab step inside and instantly exploding toward the outside edge, maintaining his balance and accelerating toward the quarterback as well as any pass rusher in college football. Showcases impressive natural body control when asked to flatten out around the corner and looks natural dropping his shoulder and working a powerful and compact swat to keep himself clean. Has a good -not great- first step that allows him to consistently threaten the outside and turn the corner. Is very efficient and savvy when asked to change directions and work the inside stunt. However, he needs to do a better job getting off the snap count on time, as he too often is the last defensive lineman moving off the ball — that should improve with more experience. Even so, the guy plays with a motor that runs non-stop, and because of his range and length, he rarely stays blocked for long.

Against the run game, he needs to do a better job playing with a lower pad level initially off the snap since he too often gets high out of his stance and can be jolted backward on contact. However, because he's so long and sudden, he consistently is able to slip the block and close on the football after the initial jolt. He also needs to continue to work on his hand placement vs. the run game, especially when asked to set the edge. Although he does, for the most part, do a pretty good job remaining disciplined and staying at home with backside contain, he struggles to consistently gain initial leverage on contact when asked to take on blocks. His hands end up on the outside shoulders of opposing linemen where he can be steered away from the ball. But he does work hard to fight his way off blocks and has the kind of range to close from the backside and consistently make plays in pursuit.
Missed the 2010 season for his involvement in the agent scandal, accepting illegitimate gifts on his behalf. Also, underwent brain surgery as a senior in high school for a benign tumor and made a full recovery and is a two-time defending state champ in wrestling.

Impression: Simply put was the best pass-rushing defensive end I saw in the country in 2009. Needs to check out from a character standpoint, but all the tools are there for him to mature into one the best pass rushers to come out of this class and an impact guy off the edge if he can put 2010 behind him and develop.
http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/de/robert-quinn.shtml
Sideline Scouting said:
Positives: Athletic... Good length and long arms... Very solid pass rusher... Extremely good initial burst... Fires off the ball... Good acceleration... Gets after the quarterback... Can collapse the pocket... Solid rip and spin moves... Stays low... Good closing speed... Uses his hands well... Good flexibility and body control... Plays the run well... Makes plays in the backfield... Good tackler... Good hitter... Does a good job stripping the ball... Gets off blocks reasonably well... Hard worker... Strong motor... Good growth potential... Even with all the talent on UNC defensive line, saw a lot of double teams in 2009... Good agility... Plays with good pad level... Had started every game in college entering the 2010 season after being diagnosed with a brain tumor in high school and was told he may not play again... Won the Brian Piccolo Award in 2007 as the ACC's most courageous player... Could fit any scheme, either as a 4-3 defensive end or 3-4 outside linebacker... Selected All-ACC first team for the 2009 season... Has drawn comparisons to Julius Peppers and Mario Williams, reminds me of Will Smith or Brian Orakpo depending on scheme.

Negatives:
Average bull rush... Lacks prototypical bulk... Relies on speed too much... Needs to get a little stronger versus the run... Does not drop into coverage much... Not especially strong at POA... Does not always get off blocks cleanly... Can be pushed back by bigger linemen... Was suspended for the 2010 season for NCAA rules violation, was a top five prospect prior to suspension... Character concerns, how much will his involvement with an agent hurt his draft stock?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1630332
CBSports said:
At this point in his career, the 20-year old Quinn (he turns 21 in May) relies too much on his burst off the snap. To achieve greatness as a weak-side defensive end in the NFL, an expanded array of pass-rush moves are needed. Prospects blessed with his natural tools don't come around often and some 3-4 teams view the 270-pounder as athletic enough to handle responsibilities of an outside linebacker in that scheme. Quinn is eerily similar to the Giants' first-round pick last year, former South Florida star Jason Pierre-Paul -- quite raw with rare athleticism for a man of his size -- and he won't last long on draft day.

Pass rush: Inconsistent off the snap. Is often among the last linemen off the ball, though he has such an explosive burst he can still beat the tackle with speed even when late and can leave his opponent grasping at air when he anticipates the snap correctly. Possesses a rare combination of burst and flexibility to dip under the reach of the tackle. Good agility and balance to turn the corner and has very good closing speed. Possesses a good rip move and the footwork to jab-step outside and cut back inside to split the gap; otherwise shows surprisingly little technique.

Run defense: Too light to hold up at the point of attack on rushing plays designed to go directly at him. Possesses good upper-body strength and explosive hands to shed blocks, but can be engulfed and driven off the ball. Doesn't do a good enough job keeping contain, too often slicing inside and losing his gap integrity when he incorrectly judges the speed of the ballcarrier. Good lateral agility, flexibility and balance to change direction and pursue. Good straight-line speed and effort to pursue.

Explosion: Perhaps his best asset. Can explode off the snap and fly by offensive tackles. Opponents have to gameplan around his burst off the edge. Good use of hands to pop the offensive lineman and shed the block. Arrives with a bang as a tackler. Forced eight fumbles in only two seasons.
 
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He and Houston are my two favorite OLBs. He isn't a reach at #5 where as for some reason Houston has dropped to the bottom of the 1st round.

To the Green Bay Packers!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111!!!!!!1
 

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The entire draft will be a fail if we don't get this guy.
 

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You don't leave football for a year and come back to do anything. Mike Williams says hello.

Not to mention he is a 4-3 DE. He will fail at OLB just as Mathias Kiwanuka did. Honestly is there a single 6-5 270 pound OLB in this league?
 

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A couple of NC sports radio people have said that he is expected to weigh in at the combine at 258 lbs. It's all speculative but we'll find out next week.
 

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You don't leave football for a year and come back to do anything. Mike Williams says hello.

Not to mention he is a 4-3 DE. He will fail at OLB just as Mathias Kiwanuka did. Honestly is there a single 6-5 270 pound OLB in this league?

Mike Williams also says hello again after missing football for a few years and looking like one of the best possession receivers in the league before injuries ruined his season. Mike Williams was run out of the league because he was lazy and fat, now look at him after he rededicated his life to football.

I think if Quinn has kept himself in shape and worked hard throughout the 1 year layoff than it shouldn't be a huge problem, his upcoming workouts will be key. Quinn by all accounts is a very hard worker.
 

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What happens though if there is a lockout? Then the 1 year out of football turns into 2 years out of football. For a transition guy that may never become a true 34 olb, those are a lot of question marks for a #5 pick.
 

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You don't leave football for a year and come back to do anything. Mike Williams says hello.

Not to mention he is a 4-3 DE. He will fail at OLB just as Mathias Kiwanuka did. Honestly is there a single 6-5 270 pound OLB in this league?

Demarcus Ware is 6'4" 262 right? :shrug:
 

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Mike Williams also says hello again after missing football for a few years and looking like one of the best possession receivers in the league before injuries ruined his season. Mike Williams was run out of the league because he was lazy and fat, now look at him after he rededicated his life to football.

One of the best possession recievers in the league, are you kidding me? It only took him FIVE YEARS to actually do anything, but that is just nothing right. The guy had maybe 2-3 games last year where he made a difference, all other games he was non-existent. The guy played above average to good in only 4 out of 13 games last year, two of them against the Cards.

Not even close to looking like one of the best possession recievers in the league.

I think if Quinn has kept himself in shape and worked hard throughout the 1 year layoff than it shouldn't be a huge problem, his upcoming workouts will be key. Quinn by all accounts is a very hard worker.

You have heard of football players and coaches talking about the term "football shape" right?
 

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Wasn't there a million pages of discussion of Peppers (and his ability to move to the outside).

Sure there was, but where did he ultimately end up, a 4-3 team.

There was also a half million of those million pages discussing why a move to OLB would be a bad idea.

After looking more at trends, schemes, and talking with a buddy of mine, I am now firmly of the belief that both Aldon Smith and Quinn will both be best suited to play DE, probably even better to play DE in a cover 2 4-3.
 
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Still doing something. :) :calvinpace:

You willing to wait 2-3 years minimum for your #5 pick to "do simething". Because that is what it will take with Quinn or Smith IMO.

Its why searching for a 3-4 OLB is so hard. Everyone tries pigeon holing guys into spots they should probably not be put into because it is such a premium position. The 3-4 OLB and NT spots get more over evaluated then any other position in the NFL besides QB. Everyone is looking for the next Woodley. Well guess what it even took Woodley a year, a year and a half before he was ready to do anything.

It is happening this year with Quinn, Smith, and the Phil Taylor kid from Baylor. Just because he is 335 pounds everyone is calling him the next 3-4 NT prospect, when in reality he is more Alan Branch then Casey Hampton. Alan Branch was pigeon holed as well when he came into the league. He would be much further along if he just started out at 3-4 DE to begin with.
 

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You willing to wait 2-3 years minimum for your #5 pick to "do simething". Because that is what it will take with Quinn or Smith IMO.

Its why searching for a 3-4 OLB is so hard. Everyone tries pigeon holing guys into spots they should probably not be put into because it is such a premium position. The 3-4 OLB and NT spots get more over evaluated then any other position in the NFL besides QB. Everyone is looking for the next Woodley. Well guess what it even took Woodley a year, a year and a half before he was ready to do anything.

It is happening this year with Quinn, Smith, and the Phil Taylor kid from Baylor. Just because he is 335 pounds everyone is calling him the next 3-4 NT prospect, when in reality he is more Alan Branch then Casey Hampton. Alan Branch was pigeon holed as well when he came into the league. He would be much further along if he just started out at 3-4 DE to begin with.

D. Ware and T. Suggs produced fairly quickly. :) Pace and Hali were on crap teams, right? Once they got into the right position (as 3-4 OLB's roughly the same size as Ware, Suggs and Quinn) they also produced.
 

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T. Suggs. 6'3" 260?

Suggs is stocky, Quinn not so much. Dont underestimate the added two inches at the same weight (assuming the 257 weight of Quinn is accurate) Not to mention Suggs was way more of a freak then Quinn was.
 

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Suggs is stocky, Quinn not so much. Dont underestimate the added two inches at the same weight (assuming the 257 weight of Quinn is accurate) Not to mention Suggs was way more of a freak then Quinn was.

Yeah, probably so. While Quinn was taking a year sabbatical, Suggs was having one of the best years ever.

I want to Cards to take a QB anyway. :)
 

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