2016 Rotation

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This season's rotation was definitely not good. For 2016, Corbin and Robbie Ray should have starting spots but the rest of the rotation is up for grabs. I think Archie Bradley will get one of those spots in the rotation and then Aaron Blair, Chase Anderson, Zack Godley, Braden Shipley and maybe Rubby De La Rosa will get a look in spring training. However, Blair and Shipley are unknown. Chase is really inconsistent. I think Godley's ceiling is Chase Anderson and Rubby De La Rosa may be best used in the bullpen. I think we need at least one free agent starting pitcher if not two. Below is a link to prospective free agents available this offseason:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/2016-mlb-free-agents.html


Johnny Cueto
David Price
Zack Greinke


I would be stoked if we signed any one of these guys, they are are all studs. Any one of those guys could anchor this rotation and probably move it to middle of the pack. That said, I cannot see the team spending the amount or the years that one of these three will require. I may be wrong but Price should be looking for Max Scherzer type money (7 years, $210 million) Cueto is not far behind. Greinke is just as good as both of those guys but is 32 so I don't think anyone would give him 7 years but crazier things have happened. I could be wrong but I just don't see the Diamondbacks getting any of these three guys signed for next season.

Below are guys that I find intriguing:

Jordan Zimmermann - He's 30 years old. He had a down year but was still solid. I am sure he won't be cheap but I think he will cost less than one of the three above and will produce decent numbers for the next 2-3 years.

Jeff Samardzija - He has had a pretty bad year for the White Sox. He has had good years for the Cubs though. Also, his outfield defense for the White Sox is terrible. I would give him a decent contract or see if you could get him for 1-2 years as a "prove it" deal.

Brandon Morrow - When healthy, he has great stuff. However, he had shoulder surgery in August and probably won't be ready to begin rehabbing until January. I am not sure what his timeline to return.

Mat Latos - Terrible this last year but good the previous four. Could possibly sign him for a "prove-it" type deal and hope he has a good year.

Scott Kazmir - I like Kazmir. He's been decent in Houston, was good in Oakland and was good for Cleveland four years ago.

Brett Anderson - Always an injury concern but still has good stuff.

Mike Leake - Would be disappointed if he was the only free agent pitcher signed but I would be happy if he was one of two or three guys added to compete for a rotation spot.

Wei Yin-Chen - Decent numbers last few years. No idea how much he will command in free agency.

Cliff Lee - Coming off an injury and is old. Still was productive last year at 36. No idea what his timetable to return is or if he is even interested in pitching next season but I think he would be worth a flyer.

I don't know if any of these guys would cost the team a draft pick to sign. I think Zimmerman and Samardija might and the rest won't but again I am not sure. I doubt the Dbacks would let that deter them because they don't seem to value draft picks as much.
 

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I don't think Greinke will opt out of his deal, not sure he will get more per year or number of years he has left on his current deal than at age 32.

Price & Cueto will get huge offers from NY, LA or CHI, maybe even TEX. ARZ should throw out a big offer as they have the money and need either guy more than any other team.

I also feel we need to make a run at some of the second tier guys even if we land Price or Cueto as you can never have enough RELIABLE starting pitching.
 

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Mike Leake is reliable #3 starter on a contending team.
I'd stay away from Samardzija
No to Latos, he's just a hard guy to root for.
 

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Still too early to really know how it will shake out... It would be awesome if the Dbacks could somehow snag a top FA. Unlikely... But ya never know.
I also think De laRosa will be in the rotation at the start of 2016. And, if we miss on the top FA's, don't be surprised if Anderson is back in the rotation as well...
 

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So just comparing numbers between Cueto & Price after their respective trades and Cueto numbers are not that of an Ace level pitcher. He has been terrible for KC with an ERA just a shade under 5.00! Granted he went to the AL after spending his entire career in the NL prior to the trade so maybe going back to the NL is in his plans.

That said David Price numbers after the trade are even better than the impressive numbers he had for DET. He is an Ace in every sense of the word and being a LHP he is definitely the prize FA this year. I would be all in if I were ARZ, wouldn't blink at offering $25 - $30M a year for him, he would be worth it IMO.

I know there are some on this board who doubt ARZ will go that high for an Ace but they really need to as there really isn't an alternative via trade or FA that won't end up costing ARZ in the long run anyway.
 

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So just comparing numbers between Cueto & Price after their respective trades and Cueto numbers are not that of an Ace level pitcher. He has been terrible for KC with an ERA just a shade under 5.00! Granted he went to the AL after spending his entire career in the NL prior to the trade so maybe going back to the NL is in his plans.

That said David Price numbers after the trade are even better than the impressive numbers he had for DET. He is an Ace in every sense of the word and being a LHP he is definitely the prize FA this year. I would be all in if I were ARZ, wouldn't blink at offering $25 - $30M a year for him, he would be worth it IMO.

I know there are some on this board who doubt ARZ will go that high for an Ace but they really need to as there really isn't an alternative via trade or FA that won't end up costing ARZ in the long run anyway.

Price will get 25m a year but it will be for 6-7 years. D'Backs have no chance he's reuniting with Joe Maddon.
 

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We need an ace, but we have a lot to build off of.

2.) Corbin
3.) Ray
4.) Bradley
5.) Godley/Chacin/Shipley/Blair/Anderson/De La Rosa

We have a solid #2 in Corbin and between Bradley and Ray, I'm confident we'll have a solid #3 and 4, despite some struggles this season for each of them. Beyond that we have 6 solid arms to find a #5.
 
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We need an ace, but we have a lot to build off of.

2.) Corbin
3.) Ray
4.) Bradley
5.) Godley/Chacin/Shipley/Blair/Anderson/De La Rosa

We have a solid #2 in Corbin and between Bradley and Ray, I'm confident we'll have a solid #3 and 4, despite some struggles this season for each of them. Beyond that we have 6 solid arms to find a #5.

We definitely have a lot of candidates for that 5th pitcher slot. I read that the Indians may be looking to move Danny Salazar. I am not sure what they would want but he's young and gets a lot of strikeouts.
 

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I wouldn't mind dealing some of the surplus pitching prospects we have to land a young, cheap stud like a Chris Archer or a Corey Kubler because in a sense you would be upgrading but not increasing your payroll right away. I know neither Kubler or Archer are on the block, they are an example of who I would be willing to deal prospects for instead of overpaid, mediocre or over the hill veterans.
 

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Price will get 25m a year but it will be for 6-7 years. D'Backs have no chance he's reuniting with Joe Maddon.

LaRussa could have some clout if the FO antes up. Ya never know. Chi needs to extend Rizzo, don't they?

We also have Goldschmidt and Pollock coming up.
 
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Rizzo is locked up until 2021. They gave him a Goldschmidt style contract before he broke out and now have him locked up for what should be his best seasons.
 

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Rizzo is locked up until 2021. They gave him a Goldschmidt style contract before he broke out and now have him locked up for what should be his best seasons.

2 great guys and great players locked up like that? Amazing.
 

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Rizzo is locked up until 2021. They gave him a Goldschmidt style contract before he broke out and now have him locked up for what should be his best seasons.

Now they have to turn their attention to Bryant & Schwarber who could develop in Super 2 type players that will hit arbitration sooner, Bryant in particular if he has another season like this next year.
 

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We could bolster the rotation as a whole with a guy like Leake, let the kids shake out and find their place and see how the season goes. Closer to the trade deadline we will know where we stand and can make a move from there.

Corbin, Bradley and Ray are all guys that are young enough that their best has yet to be seen, and just the development of our young team as a whole should make us better alone

Can't wait, I don't think it'll be a quiet offseason
 

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Really? Leake? The guy is about as mediocre as it gets. In free agency you generally have to overpay, and if the Dbacks are going to overpay, overpay for someone you know is really good, not a guy who profiles as a #3 or #4 starter.
 

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Really? Leake? The guy is about as mediocre as it gets. In free agency you generally have to overpay, and if the Dbacks are going to overpay, overpay for someone you know is really good, not a guy who profiles as a #3 or #4 starter.

Agree! Leake is roughly equal to De la Rosa... We already have De la Rose, why do we need to overpay to get another De la Rosa??
 
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I think Leake is better than De La Rosa. I wouldn't be upset if we signed him as along as it was him and a better pitcher. I would be dismayed if we only signed him (I would also not be super surprised if that were the case).
 

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Really? Leake? The guy is about as mediocre as it gets. In free agency you generally have to overpay, and if the Dbacks are going to overpay, overpay for someone you know is really good, not a guy who profiles as a #3 or #4 starter.

Giants will probably go after Leake and then a top tier pitcher too. They have the $ to spend.
 
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