2017-2018 Draft Prospects watch.

[Hoop Head]

I know there's a top 6 or top 7 players in this draft but how would those players be ranked in order of best to worst fit for the Suns, not in what order they're expected to be picked in this draft. I don't think the order that they're listed in mock drafts is the same as how well they'd fit on the Suns roster so I'm curious how people view them for the Suns.

 

[overseascardfan]

With the addition of Payton if PHX has another draft slide misfortune and falls out of Bagley, Ayton, Young, Doncic, Bamba range I am hoping they land Wendell Carter. I am completely sold on him and feel he will end up in the #7 - #10 range so hopefully PHX does not fall out of the Top 10.

 

[hsandhu]

Some people have posted concerns about bamba, he's producing more and more offense as the college season goes.

Watch at :15, that's kevin garnett talent in a rudy gobert body.

He has the all the phyiscal tools, the size and speed... draftexpress guys were talking about his unicorn potential and you can see it, question is if he reaches it.

Unlike others I would be more than happy with him (or ayton, bagley, porter).

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[hcsilla]

Bamba is very special.

Wendell Carter is not a bad consolation price either, if the Suns trade down.

 

[hsandhu]

Mamba is very special.

Wendell Carter is not a bad consolation price either, if the Suns trade down.

Depending what bamba does the rest of the season i could move him up to #2 on my board, behind ayton.

I also love the idea of 6'11 porter playing power forward, and bender at center, the floor would finally be wide open for booker as porter/bender will be good shooters.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Depending what bamba does the rest of the season i could move him up to #2 on my board, behind ayton.

I also love the idea of 6'11 porter playing power forward, and bender at center, the floor would finally be wide open for booker as porter/bender will be good shooters.

Lots of conjecture that bamba will move up draft boards closer to the draft.

 

[hsandhu]

Lots of conjecture that bamba will move up draft boards closer to the draft.

I think he might blow away people in workouts.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think he might blow away people in workouts.

AGREED. If I were a big I’d fire my agent if I ended up in a one on one workout against him with any tram.

 

[Hoop Head]

AZCentral posted an article that lists all of the major mock drafts out there and who they had the Suns taking. It's a mixed bag but it's nice to see all of them in one spot.


https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...dre-ayton-phoenix-suns-nba-draft-z/328789002/

 

[Mainstreet]

It appears the Suns really like Doncic possibly with the #1 pick but their minds can be changed.

Maybe it's been out there but this is the first time I have heard the Suns love Doncic.

If the Suns have the No. 1 pick who will they take?

Phoenix loves Doncic, as do some analysts who consider him to be the best prospect ever to come out of Europe. But they also have to be enticed by the prospect of getting potentially a dominant young big man, Arizona’s DeAndre Ayton. At this point I’d go with Doncic but again, how Payton plays these final two months could have an impact.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...frid-payton-phoenix-nba-draft-pick/332233002/

 

[Hoop Head]

This is where Sarver's ties to UofA might help. If they're stuck choosing between Doncic and Ayton he may push for Ayton since he's a UofA alumni. If they grade out equal I think they should go with the big. I'd also go with the player who played in the NCAA over a European player since the competition is easier to analyze.

 

[hsandhu]

NBAdraft.net has moved jjj up to #2, tankathon now has him ahead of bagley.

With the potential franchise bigs in this draft, ayton/jjj/bagley/bamba/porter (6'11 stretch 4), if the suns take freaking 6'8 goran dragic with their pick... after all this tanking and losing, then this franchise is done.

 

[SirStefan32]

Yeah, 6'8 Goran Dragic, the best player in Europe at the age of 18, sure does sound horrible.

 

[hsandhu]

Yeah, 6'8 Goran Dragic, the best player in Europe at the age of 18, sure does sound horrible.

6'8 goran dragic over david robinson is a calamity. If the 5 i mentioned arent on the board ok, but no way in hell before then.

Do you really watch doncic and say yeah his lack of explosiveness is not a big deal, it's fine to pass on, for example, 6'11 michael porter who is literally the perfect specimen for the current nba. Put him at the 4, bender at the 5, wide open floor on offense, switch everything on defense.

 

[hcsilla]

What is this nonsense about David Robinson?

Doncic is closer to 6'8 Steve Nash, than Ayton to Robinson.

Criticise Doncic lack of explosiveness, then raving about Porter? What about Porter's lack of explosiveness?

I understand the questions about Doncic but he is by far the best professional at his age that ever entered into the draft.

 

[SirStefan32]

6'8 goran dragic over david robinson is a calamity. If the 5 i mentioned arent on the board ok, but no way in hell before then.

Do you really watch doncic and say yeah his lack of explosiveness is not a big deal, it's fine to pass on, for example, 6'11 michael porter who is literally the perfect specimen for the current nba. Put him at the 4, bender at the 5, wide open floor on offense, switch everything on defense.

I am on the record as wanting Ayton over Doncic. That said, this "explosiveness" crap is getting old. Porter has no explosiveness, Young has no explosiveness, neither of them are good defenders, though I have not watched Porter play (neither have you, by the way.) Ayton (whom I would pick if I had the first pick) is NOT David Robinson. Much like Young is not Steph Curry, and Doncic is not Magic Johnson. It's fine to like certain player and not like others, but can we please stay in the land of reality? Out of curiosity, have you actually seen Doncic play?

 

[Raindog]

6'8 goran dragic over david robinson is a calamity. If the 5 i mentioned arent on the board ok, but no way in hell before then.

Do you really watch doncic and say yeah his lack of explosiveness is not a big deal, it's fine to pass on, for example, 6'11 michael porter who is literally the perfect specimen for the current nba. Put him at the 4, bender at the 5, wide open floor on offense, switch everything on defense.

I totally agree. I wouldn't complain about Doncic if we somehow end up with the 4th or 5th pick and the likes of Ayton and Bagley are off the board. But Doncic as the first overall choice is highly risky. Like Darko Milicic/Ricky Rubio risky... the last two similarly hyped "no way can he miss, best Euro-prospect ever" that promptly disappointed.

That's not to say there is no way Doncic pans out and no way that Ayton/Bagley/Young etc. don't. I just think that American prospects who have shown potential at the major college level are a far safer bet than European or other foreign league prospects, who are historically a far greater roll of the dice no matter how great they look playing against their (what is always lesser) level of competition.

 

[hcsilla]

I just think that American prospects who have shown potential at the major college level are a far safer bet than European or other foreign league prospects, who are historically a far greater roll of the dice no matter how great they look playing against their (what is always lesser) level of competition.

European Championship and Euroleague (especially the top teams) are far superior to NCAA basketball.

So "always lesser" is completely wrong.

 

[hsandhu]

I am on the record as wanting Ayton over Doncic. That said, this "explosiveness" crap is getting old. Porter has no explosiveness, Young has no explosiveness, neither of them are good defenders, though I have not watched Porter play (neither have you, by the way.) Ayton (whom I would pick if I had the first pick) is NOT David Robinson. Much like Young is not Steph Curry, and Doncic is not Magic Johnson. It's fine to like certain player and not like others, but can we please stay in the land of reality? Out of curiosity, have you actually seen Doncic play?

You say he can't be David Robinson, and that is a fantasy.

I'm not pulling it out of thin air, it's a common comparison , made by commenters and coaches. i actually watch the games to know.

Bill Walton talks about it often, even talks about how robinson didn't develop until his latter year at navy.

You know who else was making the comparison and raving about it, one of David Robinson's closest teammates, Alabama coach avery johnson.


Please don't tell me I'm not in reality, when i actually just laid out facts, and legit people making the comparison.


Every scouting of doncic has a knock on explosiveness, that's a concern.

 

[GatorAZ]

Mix between Harden and Hayward.

 

[SirStefan32]

You say he can't be David Robinson, and that is a fantasy.

I'm not pulling it out of thin air, it's a common comparison , made by commenters and coaches. i actually watch the games to know.

Bill Walton talks about it often, even talks about how robinson didn't develop until his latter year at navy.

You know who else was making the comparison and raving about it, one of David Robinson's closest teammates, Alabama coach avery johnson.


Please don't tell me I'm not in reality, when i actually just laid out facts, and legit people making the comparison.


Every scouting of doncic has a knock on explosiveness, that's a concern.

So, what you are saying is that you have never seen a single game featuring Doncic?
Lack of explosiveness was a big knock on Booker too. Nash wasn't an overly explosive player either. Those two turned out OK.

Also, I did not say that Ayton can't be a David Robinson. I am simply saying he is not David Robinson right now, much like Doncic is not a Maghc Johnson right now. Again, this is coming from an Ayton fan.

 

[hsandhu]

So, what you are saying is that you have never seen a single game featuring Doncic?
Lack of explosiveness was a big knock on Booker too. Nash wasn't an overly explosive player either. Those two turned out OK.

Also, I did not say that Ayton can't be a David Robinson. I am simply saying he is not David Robinson right now, much like Doncic is not a Maghc Johnson right now. Again, this is coming from an Ayton fan.

You literally said it is not reality to make the comparison, now you are saying he can be robinson??

There's this thing called youtube, so yes ive seen lots of doncic.

If You are passing on a franchise big they better be able to get by NBA level defenders without a pick, with ease.

Mpj is 6'11, he can shoot over small forwards and get by pfs in the nba.

 

[Mert]

I live in Europe and i am big euro basketball follower.I also love suns and read comments here for years.I just signed up to say that drafting doncic #1 will be a big mistake.Bogdan bogdanovic is a better player and suns traded him.I dont see Doncic getting better than him.you can watch last years Euroleague final four and see it with your eyes.

 

[hsandhu]

I live in Europe and i am big euro basketball follower.I also love suns and read comments here for years.I just signed up to say that drafting doncic #1 will be a big mistake.Bogdan bogdanovic is a better player and suns traded him.I dont see Doncic getting better than him.you can watch last years Euroleague final four and see it with your eyes.

I swear this isn't my burner account!

 

[Mert]

I swear this isn't my burner account!

I am real
Edit:There are a lot of suns fans outside of us.I am one of them.Is it strange to you?