2019 NFL draft - 15 thoughts

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1 – I strongly disagree with people saying that you can’t evaluate a draft class this soon after the event. You obviously can’t predict how it will turn out, but you can certainly evaluate it based on your expectations and own rankings. Which is what I do, and what a lot of people do.

2 – I guessed Mr. Irrelevant! It was obviously pure luck since it is basically impossible, but still! With every Cardinals pick I start to make a mental list of possibilities and who I would like them to pick about three-five picks before. It is based on draft history, draft trends, scheme fits and so on. This year it materialized with Zach Allen and Caleb Wilson, and I kind of had a hunch that they would be interested in Andy Isabella (but not at all with a pick that high) and Joshua Miles.

3 – I want to congratulate all of you who wanted Hakeem Butler with the first pick in the fourth round – and I know it was a lot of you. I am happy for you. Personally I did not think he represented good value at that point, and I didn’t think he was a fit in K2’s offense. After hearing that K2 himself thinks that Butler is a fit, my view on that is obviously completely wrong and irrelevant, and I guess a fourth round pick for a height-weight-speed prospect is okay.

4 – I was really happy when they traded Rosen – both for the good of the team and for the good of Rosen. However, I can’t tell you how disappointed I was when the pick turned out to be Isabella. I mean, he might be a good fit, but in the 2nd round? You got to be kidding me! The pick instantly reminded me of the Chase Edmonds-pick last year since I also kind of expected that they had interest in him, but as soon as the 4th round? Give me a break! Having said that, K2 seemed thrilled with the pick in the video from the war room. I tend to take those videos with a grain of salt, just because of the risk that the people in them are fully aware they are being taped and thus can act accordingly to what is in their own best interest. Anyway, with that caveat, he sure seemed happy.

5 – If you haven’t seen the video of Rosen saying goodbye to Arizona and hello to Miami, I strongly recommend that you do so. It is so classy that it really moved me. Did anyone else afterwards have the feeling that it was – definitely unintended - a huge F YOU to Michael Bidwill, Steve Keim and K2? I mean, for how bad they treated him? If he had blasted them, it would have been easy to just laugh at it and forget about him, but they have got to have a sour taste in their mouth after seeing how he handled himself as a bigger person than them.

6 – Ultimately, how you evaluate the entire draft class doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is if Murray becomes a success or a failure, and that – only that – is what will determine the result of this class.

7 – Safe to say that they thought Joshua Miles, Michael Dogbe and Caleb Wilson would be the three most coveted undrafted free agents from their draft board. To me, that’s kind of exiting.

8 – I think the defensive guys picked are great fits in Vance Joseph’s defense. I didn’t want Byron Murphy in the 2nd round, but after thinking some more about it, he could match what Joseph did with the cornerbacks in Denver, and Murphy should also be able to play as the 3rd cornerback on the field. I am thrilled with the Zach Allen-pick! I really think he will be a monster at 5-tech in their base defense. Deionte Thompson in the 5th round? Steal! I think he can complement Budda Baker and Swearinger really well. I must admit that I do not know about Michael Dogbe, but based on their previous picks I am just going to assume he fits well too.

9 – Caleb Wilson was Josh Rosen’s tight end at UCLA for two years. Ironic, right?

10 – Like I said, I kind of had a hunch that they would be interested in Joshua Miles, but I must also admit that I didn’t base it on watching game tape, since I was not able to find any, but I read a lot of good things about him, and I guess it came down to how I thought the offensive tackle-pool was running empty. They always draft an offensive tackle, so I just assumed they would do so again.

11 - Also, I think it is quite obvious that offensive line coach, Sean Kugler, signed off on both Gaillard and Miles since they were both picked later on. The third round is for developmental players, so I think it would be really strange if Keim and K2 decided for themselves who the position coaches would like to work with.

12 – You could argue that in the end the prize for one year with Josh Rosen ended up being a little less than a first round pick. They got back the fifth rounder and they got a second rounder where they paid a third rounder. That’s not that expensive to give your new perceived offensive wizard the best chance of success.

13 – At his press conference after day two Keim literally said that the four players they had drafted at that point all was ranked in their top 35. That’s basically four first round picks. How stupid does he think we are? So, when approaching the start of the third round you have at least two players with first round grades, but you don’t trade up for any of them? Really? I understand that they might have unsuccessfully tried just that, but if so, don’t you pay a little more than you would have liked? Then, at his review press conference he said that including KeeSean Johnson in the sixth round, the first three players selected at day three where ranked in their top 60. If you have a player ranked as #60 at the worst, and you are approaching pick 174 – AND you have multiple late round picks to use as trading pieces – you simply stayed put and hope for the best? I mean… If you want to sell your achievements to the fans, at least come up with some realistic explanations.

14 – Shoot, there were a number of players that I wanted them to select among the undrafted free agents, but so far, most of them has reportedly been picked up by other teams. Not that it is official yet, but the reports have been ticking in since the selection process ended. There are still players I like out there, so maybe they will still get one or two of them.

15 – So what did we learn about K2’s offensive system? Well, I don’t know. Maybe that he and Sean Kugler favors tough, hard-nosed offensive linemen? Couple Gaillard and Miles with free agent-signings Marcus Gilbert, J.R. Sweezy and Max Garcia and it paints a picture. Other than that, they selected three different types of wide receivers, and free agent-signing Kevin White is probably a mix between Hakeem Butler and KeeSean Johnson. Okay, Kyler Murray and Caleb Wilson probably tells us something, though nothing new and surprising.
 

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Solid and fair points.#5 Rosen was classy and acted like a Pro.With the draft pick OLINE guys that says to me Cards are preparing for life after Humphries leaves after the season and possibly Shipley also ( if he is not a Cap CUt after June 1).
 

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I'm going to add a thought. Where does Fitz fit into the air raid offense? Drafting all these WRs make me feel like Fitz is odd man out. He's not a speedster. We now have tons of slot receivers. Where does he fit?
 

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12 – You could argue that in the end the prize for one year with Josh Rosen ended up being a little less than a first round pick. They got back the fifth rounder and they got a second rounder where they paid a third rounder. That’s not that expensive to give your new perceived offensive wizard the best chance of success.

13 – At his press conference after day two Keim literally said that the four players they had drafted at that point all was ranked in their top 35. That’s basically four first round picks. How stupid does he think we are?

12- It's a good point. You give up a #1, #3, and #5 and get a #2 and #5. The difference...you gave up the #10 pick overall and got back #62. That is a big gap but the best Keim could have expected at that point (he f'd it up already).

13 - I believe him but that doesn't mean his evaluation is correct. Time will tell.
 

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I'm going to add a thought. Where does Fitz fit into the air raid offense? Drafting all these WRs make me feel like Fitz is odd man out. He's not a speedster. We now have tons of slot receivers. Where does he fit?
Our 3 new receivers are not going to put Fitz on the sidelines. They are rookies and will have to learn this offense. I think it affords is the luxury of bringing these guys along with play design based on down and distance and things like that.
 

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As always nice post Ghandi. I am done dissecting the Rosen era.

In many of my threads I mention conviction when making decisions. Many posters have said how we missed on Wilson even though we liked him. Why? A lack of conviction and belief in your evaluation. I think Issabella is going to be awesome. If you really believe in a player you take him when you know you can get him. I would rather take a player 1 round too soon( based on other pundits rankings) than to wait 1 more round and lament over missing out on him.

I also love the fact we took 3 wr’s. I was praying for two but what is really awesome is they are all different. Issabella quick, fast darty. Butler tall, fast and a small cb’s nightmare. And Johnson who runs precise routes and catches everything.

My final note is I thought we were going to be forced to basically ignore the defense this off season. Between free agency and the draft this defense is primed to be a top 10 defense once again.
 

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12- It's a good point. You give up a #1, #3, and #5 and get a #2 and #5. The difference...you gave up the #10 pick overall and got back #62. That is a big gap but the best Keim could have expected at that point (he f'd it up already).

13 - I believe him but that doesn't mean his evaluation is correct. Time will tell.
But if he didn’t spend that pick last year, we wouldn’t have had the 1st overall this year...
 

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But if he didn’t spend that pick last year, we wouldn’t have had the 1st overall this year...

I missed your point. If he wouldn't have drafted Rosen?

We would have had Bradford and Glennon starting.
 

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12- It's a good point. You give up a #1, #3, and #5 and get a #2 and #5. The difference...you gave up the #10 pick overall and got back #62. That is a big gap but the best Keim could have expected at that point (he f'd it up already).

13 - I believe him but that doesn't mean his evaluation is correct. Time will tell.

Teams traded busted 1st rounders all the time.

And they dont get a late 2 and 5 back.
 

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Teams traded busted 1st rounders all the time.

And they dont get a late 2 and 5 back.

What does that tell you then? Rosen isn't a bust.

Think about what he could have received when there were more than 1 team interested/needing a QB.

I have moved on but Keim f'd up the leverage.
 

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12- It's a good point. You give up a #1, #3, and #5 and get a #2 and #5. The difference...you gave up the #10 pick overall and got back #62. That is a big gap but the best Keim could have expected at that point (he f'd it up already).

Raiders acquired 79 and 152 from Cards to move back from 10 to 15 taking Kolton Miller

Raided then traded 79 for Martavis Bryant who is currently a FA and likely on his last strike.

152 was later traded by Oakland to Baltimore who then traded it to Tennessee for CB Dane Cruikshank. Who???

So we essentially traded Rosen for Isabella and next year’s 5th. Big effing deal!!! I think we may have actually come out ahead.
 

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What does that tell you then? Rosen isn't a bust.

Think about what he could have received when there were more than 1 team interested/needing a QB.

I have moved on but Keim f'd up the leverage.
Rosen is worth what we got for him, if teams thought he was better, somebody would have offered a higher pick. Nobody messed up any leverage. This fan rumor that Rosen was worth a first round pick is Ludacris. Done, over move on, thank our lucky stars Miami gave us a 2, not sure why they did. Who else was going to take him if they didn't...
 

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Rosen is worth what we got for him, if teams thought he was better, somebody would have offered a higher pick. Nobody messed up any leverage. This fan rumor that Rosen was worth a first round pick is Ludacris. Done, over move on, thank our lucky stars Miami gave us a 2, not sure why they did. Who else was going to take him if they didn't...

C'mon man!

Do you understand negotiation and leverage? Keim was LUCKY to get a #2 pick because there was only 1 team left that needed/wanted a QB.

You're flat out wrong.

Let's move on.
 
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Good stuff Gandhi. I really like getting the 3 WRs and also the Byron Murphy pick. Many feel that he was the best CB in the draft. I'm happy that Josh was traded and hope he does well. Time to move on. We still have some holes to fill and might take another year to be a playoff team. I know that may even sound too optimistic to some but there is parity in the NFL and teams can turn it around. Others have said it already on this Board but it really will be on how well Murray plays.
 
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C'mon man!

Do you understand negotiation and leverage? Keim was LUCKY to get a #2 pick because there was only 1 team left that needed/wanted a QB.

Your flat out wrong.

Let's move on.
If someone wanted Rosen they would of traded a higher pick for him. You don't have any leverage when nobody wants what you're selling at the price you're asking for. Nobody wanted him! Flat out If he was worth a higher pick we would've gotten it!! Late 2 in today's QB market is very fair.
 

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Rosen was like a new, used car. We bought a top of the line, high-end Range Rover...then decided we would be better suited with a top of the line sports car...No way, no how, no matter how nice the Range Rover is, no matter how few the miles are on it, we could never get what it is worth as soon as we drove it off the lot.
 

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I'm going to add a thought. Where does Fitz fit into the air raid offense? Drafting all these WRs make me feel like Fitz is odd man out. He's not a speedster. We now have tons of slot receivers. Where does he fit?
He fits in anywhere. He's the one guy that can be a square peg in a round hole and fit into any system imo. From what I've gathered as well in this variation that KK will run, is that you can never have too many solid slot receivers..
 

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Good read as always Gandhi.

#13 - Every team has their top 200 (actual # varies per team) and no two are the same. Every team removes players from their board for various reasons.

The Cowboy and Bengals appear to not remove players who have off the field issues.

3/4 teams have different DL& LBers then 4/3 teams in many cases.

Olinemen won't be on some teams board because they want quicker zone blockers instead of run maulers.

Obviously some teams have different traits they want in their DB's and WR's.

Plus every team misevaluates a number of players which is why UDFA's have made pro bowls and even the HOF.

There are more examples but I think I've made my point.

Keim has stated they set their board in part based on need. So I'm guessing they won't have many WR's listed next year :).

All this says to me that Keim wasn't lying to us. Hopefully their draft board didn't suck :)

#5 - I have zero issue with how Keim handled the Rosen / Murray situation. I agree Rosen showed a TON of class but Keim has never put Josh down for his play or ability.
 

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Rosen was like a new, used car. We bought a top of the line, high-end Range Rover...then decided we would be better suited with a top of the line sports car...No way, no how, no matter how nice the Range Rover is, no matter how few the miles are on it, we could never get what it is worth as soon as we drove it off the lot.

Good analogy but I would add that Range Rover also got a bunch of dings in the fenders and side panels.
 

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Talk about lipstick on a pig. Trade a #1(10 overall), 3 & 5 for a late 2 & a 5 next year? Then for your mistake have to use the #1 overall to replace that #1 from last year and it isn't that bad?

Manage assets like that in the business world and you would be out on your ass in a heartbeat.
 
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The essence of Air Raid is 4 WR sets (2 inside and 2 outside).

I know, but it doesn’t come down to a numbers game to me. I’m not sure he has the skillset to be an outside receiver in an air raid-offense, but like I said, K2 obviously thinks otherwise, so who am I to question that?
 

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