2024 Draft Countdown/NFL Prospects thread

[Cbus cardsfan]

K9, just a reminder that Stills isn't playing next to Aaron Donald or one of the Bosa'a. In case you forgot.

And he likely won’t be his entire career. So how is that relevant?

 

[Garthshort]

If and it's a big IF we had two VG DL-men then it would have been easier for Stills to make an impression, imo. I don't know if he's any good and probably won't until we improve our DL. Now I'll try to figure whose opinion I should give greater weight, yours or Monti's. A tough call.

 

[Stout]

Are you guys talking about draft picks or FA?

I think this is one of our better drafts in years plus we got an additional #1 pick for this year.

FA

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If and it's a big IF we had two VG DL-men then it would have been easier for Stills to make an impression, imo. I don't know if he's any good and probably won't until we improve our DL. Now I'll try to figure whose opinion I should give greater weight, yours or Monti's. A tough call.

I’m not sure I follow your logic.
To me, if you have to have good players around you to be good, then you’re probably not all that good yourself.

You could put Aaron Donald on line with 3 stiffs and he’s still going to be good.

Stills can maybe be an effective role player but that’s probably his ceiling.

 

[Russ Smith]

Does he create separation? Big, contested catch guys always worry me. Doesn't seem to always translate well into the NFL.

Ironically that was the reason I preferred Roy Williams to Fitz coming out of college.

Shut up @Shane!

 

[Krangodnzr]

I’m not sure I follow your logic.
To me, if you have to have good players around you to be good, then you’re probably not all that good yourself.

You could put Aaron Donald on line with 3 stiffs and he’s still going to be good.

Stills can maybe be an effective role player but that’s probably his ceiling.

Even getting a rotation DL that late in the draft is a win.

 

[Harry]

Bears inexplicably offered the 2nd and 3rd picks for the 1st pick. And then the real fun began

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Newton will be long gone. Bowers is great but major injury concerns. Can’t see taking 3 WRs.

 

[Harry]

Traded down from #1 two times.

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Strong

 

[Harry]

Does he create separation? Big, contested catch guys always worry me. Doesn't seem to always translate well into the NFL.

Separates, fast, tall and strong. The complete package.

 

[daves]

The post week 8 draft order projection from The Athletic:

Team	Projected Wins	Playoff Chance
1. Arizona	4.3	0.2%
2. Carolina -> Chicago	4.6	0.6%
3. Chicago	4.9	1.1%
4. NY Giants	5.2	2.1%
5. New England	5.8	2.3%
6. Washington	6.1	4.1%
7. Denver	6.3	1.5%
8. Las Vegas	6.5	2.9%
9. Green Bay	7.2	24.2%
10. Tennessee	7.4	10.6%

Once again, with the Cardinals in the top spot but Chicago in both of the other top-3 spots, it bodes well for the Cardinals to either get one of the top QBs, or reap a bounty of picks to a QB-needy team... but poorly for their chances of getting Marvin Harrison Jr. if they trade down, since the Bears would presumably take a QB and Harrison with their picks.

Would the Giants trade up to #1 for a QB after investing in Jones? Would Belichick trade up to #1 no matter how much the Patriots need a QB? For sure Washington would be happy to part with some of their newly acquired draft picks plus future #1's for the chance to get their QBOF.

The article accompanying the table notes that Tennessee's projected win total increased by 2 after their win over the Falcons with Will Levis at QB, suggesting that their model is accounting for Levis' increased ability to win games vs. Tannehill. With that in mind, the model presumably already accounts for Murray's expected impact on the Cardinals' win total - though perhaps there will be a significant update once Murray actually starts playing, if he plays well.

 

[oaken1]

Not really. It's pretty easy to tell that Michael Wilson can play in this league (if he can stay healthy). I think Demercado can be a backup through this contract (probably a #3 on a good team).

Stills doesn't really do anything. He's not clearly better than L.J. Collier or Leki Fotu. He's a low-salary-cap number on a bad team. He isn't going to be a starter on a playoff team.

If you're not thinking about how a player can fit on the roster of a playoff team, you might have a poverty fan mindset.

if you think a rookie D Lineman wont get better over a few seasons.... what mindset is that exactly? Low football IQ? Stills has shown every sign of being a player... he just needs to develop a little. Most big men in the nfl do.

for reference... QUinnen Williams, who I and many others wanted... had 28 tackles and 2.5 sacks in his rookie season... but he developed into a beast...

stills has 21 tackles and 2.5 sacks right now...halfway through his rookie season.

this whole Toddler mindset..."I gotta get what I want RIGHT NOW.... just doesnt work in most cases in the nfl...especially not with the big men where power is more important than speed.

 

[Garthshort]

I love the idea of having the #1 pick, but think it's a false hope. The schedule gets easier and we'll probably have KM back in a week or two. And we have to remember that there are teams who are tanking in an effort to secure the top spot.

 

[Garthshort]

if you think a rookie D Lineman wont get better over a few seasons.... what mindset is that exactly? Low football IQ? Stills has shown every sign of being a player... he just needs to develop a little. Most big men in the nfl do.

for reference... QUinnen Williams, who I and many others wanted... had 28 tackles and 2.5 sacks in his rookie season... but he developed into a beast...

stills has 21 tackles and 2.5 sacks right now...halfway through his rookie season.

this whole Toddler mindset..."I gotta get what I want RIGHT NOW.... just doesnt work in most cases in the nfl...especially not with the big men where power is more important than speed.

oaken, thanks for your thoughtful analysis.

 

[Stout]

I love the idea of having the #1 pick, but think it's a false hope. The schedule gets easier and we'll probably have KM back in a week or two. And we have to remember that there are teams who are tanking in an effort to secure the top spot.

You're probably right, although we're one of those tanking teams. I don't mind not getting the #1, so long as Chicago isn't at #1 and #2 and we're at #3

 

[Garthshort]

You're probably right, although we're one of those tanking teams. I don't mind not getting the #1, so long as Chicago isn't at #1 and #2 and we're at #3

#3 wouldn't be bad, the way you describe it. Worst case, imo, is that Chicago goes QB at #1 and MHJ at #2. Then sitting at #3 we'd probably be able to field a lot of offers from teams that want a QB. Or if the Bears draft a QB and then trade with a team that wants a QB, MHJ would be available.

 

[Harry]

If and it's a big IF we had two VG DL-men then it would have been easier for Stills to make an impression, imo. I don't know if he's any good and probably won't until we improve our DL. Now I'll try to figure whose opinion I should give greater weight, yours or Monti's. A tough call.

Fixing the DL will be tough. If Murray stays there are FA options. The draft is thin as usual. Best guys are undersized.

 

[daves]

Clearly the Cards will end up at #2 with the Bears at #1 and #3, or perhaps the Giants or other non-QB-needy team at #3. Then while arguing about whether the team should keep or trade Murray, we can also argue for eternity whether the Cards should take Harrison Jr. at #2 or trade down for a huge haul of picks. This is the Cardinals / ASFN way.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Caleb throwing some dimes tonight vs Washington.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Fixing the DL will be tough. If Murray stays there are FA options. The draft is thin as usual. Best guys are undersized.

The Cardinals would be smart to pay a premium for Christian Wilkins. He's a good DT.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Clearly the Cards will end up at #2 with the Bears at #1 and #3, or perhaps the Giants or other non-QB-needy team at #3. Then while arguing about whether the team should keep or trade Murray, we can also argue for eternity whether the Cards should take Harrison Jr. at #2 or trade down for a huge haul of picks. This is the Cardinals / ASFN way.

I still trade down in this scenario. Maye goes #2. He makes NFL plays and has pedigree.

 

[Garthshort]

I still trade down in this scenario. Maye goes #2. He makes NFL plays and has pedigree.

No idea where we'll finish, but from a historical perspective QB's seem to go higher than where they are ranked. If Kyler is limited to a game or two, which I doubt, then a top three pick seems likely.

 

[TheCardFan]

Caleb and Drake are going in the top 2.

 

[TheCardFan]

Love the WR's this year.

I don't think Troy Franklin is getting enough respect.

Keon Coleman - why doesn't he have more production in college? Ceiling is probably DK Metcalf but not sure he plays with as much top end speed as DK. I like a guy like that as the #2 but not #1 - I don't think you can count on him to takeover but you will get some big plays and almost all 50/50 balls.

Who is the comp for Nabers and Odunze?

 

[TheCardFan]

Latu is taking over. If medicals check out, he is most likely a top 10 pick.

 

[TheCardFan]

DT's

Newton only played a half but dominated. He looks great.

Leonard Taylor also played well - he is definitely in round 1.

Maason Smith was MIA. Is he injured or not motivated? He is too big/powerful not to make an impact at this level.