3 team trade/draft scenario

[JasonKGME]

God I must be bored, but here came a trade to mind...

Arizona trades LJ Shelton and the #44 pick & the #95 pick to Buffalo for Travis Henry, thier #55 pick and thier #86 pick. Buffalo ends up getting the better end of the draft pick swaps which should make them feel they got the slight edge they wanted to get the trade done.

Arizona then trades Travis Henry and thier #75 pick to Miami for Patrick Surtain and Miamis #70 pick, Miami gets a starting RB so they dont have to go that route with the #2 pick in the draft and get more then they would have gotten from KC.


We basically end up with Patrick Surtain, drop to #55 in the 2nd round, moved up to #70 & #86 in the 3rd round instead of #75 & #95, and we can end up with our draft being:

#8 Cadillac Williams who drops due to Miami not going RB with #2.
#55 Bryant McFadden
#70 Kevin Everett
#86 Chris Kemoeatu


We fill our #1 CB issue with Surtain
We fill our #1 RB issue with Williams
We fill our #3 CB issue with McFadden who can push Macklin (and Hill if we resign him)
We fill our TE issue with Everett who EXCELLS in blocking which is a big part of DG TE requirements, but is still a good ball catcher.
and provide Guard depth incase Bridges struggles with Kemoeatu.

I believe CB's have a longer career life then RB's, so would prefer Surtain over Henry if I have to end up with just 1 Current NFL player in a trade scenario.

 

[Russ Smith]

Very good, I like it.

 

[Shane]

Why not just trade LJ to the Bills straight up which appears is probably going to happen. Keep Henry.

Then trade our high 3rd to Miami which is rumored all it would take to get Surtain. Or even our 2nd.

Then draft draft Derek Johnson at #8.

Then we have made this one of the best D's in football with the addition of Surtain and Johnson. We also solved our #1 RB problem.

And still have a 2nd or two 3rd two pick up some moe CB depth.

Your version is more complicated than it need to be Jason.

 

[CardLogic]

Yes, now make it so!

 

[cardsunsfan]

God I must be bored, but here came a trade to mind...

Arizona trades LJ Shelton and the #44 pick & the #95 pick to Buffalo for Travis Henry, thier #55 pick and thier #86 pick. Buffalo ends up getting the better end of the draft pick swaps which should make them feel they got the slight edge they wanted to get the trade done.

Arizona then trades Travis Henry and thier #75 pick to Miami for Patrick Surtain and Miamis #70 pick, Miami gets a starting RB so they dont have to go that route with the #2 pick in the draft and get more then they would have gotten from KC.


We basically end up with Patrick Surtain, drop to #55 in the 2nd round, moved up to #70 & #86 in the 3rd round instead of #75 & #95, and we can end up with our draft being:

#8 Cadillac Williams who drops due to Miami not going RB with #2.
#55 Bryant McFadden
#70 Kevin Everett
#86 Chris Kemoeatu


We fill our #1 CB issue with Surtain
We fill our #1 RB issue with Williams
We fill our #3 CB issue with McFadden who can push Macklin (and Hill if we resign him)
We fill our TE issue with Everett who EXCELLS in blocking which is a big part of DG TE requirements, but is still a good ball catcher.
and provide Guard depth incase Bridges struggles with Kemoeatu.

I believe CB's have a longer career life then RB's, so would prefer Surtain over Henry if I have to end up with just 1 Current NFL player in a trade scenario.

I was thinking the same thing awhile back, except we do an even swap of Henry for Shelton

 

[CaliCards]

I like the trade scenario, but my instinct tells me that we will get 1,600 yds on the ground this season if we have Henry and Shipp as our premiere running backs.

Add our potential on defense (stoping the run), and Warner, Bolden, Fritz, and Johnson just have to not turn the ball over and give us 2-3 TDs per game--- and yes, we could be talking about how deep the Cards can go in the playoff.

 

[JasonKGME]

Why not just trade LJ to the Bills straight up which appears is probably going to happen. Keep Henry.

Then trade our high 3rd to Miami which is rumored all it would take to get Surtain. Or even our 2nd.

Then draft draft Derek Johnson at #8.

Then we have made this one of the best D's in football with the addition of Surtain and Johnson. We also solved our #1 RB problem.

And still have a 2nd or two 3rd two pick up some moe CB depth.

Your version is more complicated than it need to be Jason.

Because if my options are Henry vs Benson, I think I like Henry better, but if we give Henry to Miami and can get Cadillac, then Henry vs Williams I like Williams better.

Plus if we trade our high 3rd round pick we'll probably lose out on Everett which I think is BPA at the time of the pick and a huge need for the team.

 

[JasonKGME]

I like the trade scenario, but my instinct tells me that we will get 1,600 yds on the ground this season if we have Henry and Shipp as our premiere running backs.

Add our potential on defense (stoping the run), and Warner, Bolden, Fritz, and Johnson just have to not turn the ball over and give us 2-3 TDs per game--- and yes, we could be talking about how deep the Cards can go in the playoff.

we had 1668 yards last year with our RB's, so dont necissarily need Henry to do that, whatever back we end up with teaming up with Shipp we need 2000+ yards from our running game to be good.

Could be Henry, but think you have a better tandem with Cadillac and Shipp.

 

[JeffGollin]

We can't even get a deal done with Buffalo let alone finagle one with 2 other teams.

That said, what you're saying is:

a. We part with Shelton
b. We pick up Surtain
c. We keep our #8 (and draft a RB)
d. Essentially trade our #44 for a #55 (& wind up with McFadden or another second-echelon CB for the future and to break in as a nickel back).
e. Move from #75 to #70 (in order to draft Everett????!!!! Can't we do better than that?)
f. Move up from #95 to #86 (in order to draft Kemoeatu - worth doing)

Not a bad idea, but I, too have got to wonder - why not just trade Shelton straight up for Surtain and keep our #44? (All the other stuff is all "wiggle room" navigation we can either do or not do to get the deal done). But the important thing is that it only involves 2 teams/not 3.

(Trying to work out multi team deals is like trying to herd a bunch of cats).

 

[kerouac9]

It doesn't matter, because I don't think that Miami is going to draft a running back at #2 overall, anyway.

 

[AzCards21]

Dam Jason, You don't post often but when you do it's pretty detailed! Is this even feasable?

 

[Shane]

Dam Jason, You don't post often but when you do it's pretty detailed! Is this even feasable?

Of course its feasable. But mine is much easier.

I dont see the urgent need for the TE that Jason wants. Also Williams while a good RB in my opinion still has the bust potential.

 

[AzCards21]

Of course its feasable. But mine is much easier.

I dont see the urgent need for the TE that Jason wants. Also Williams while a good RB in my opinion still has the bust potential.

Every draft prospect has bust potential. We should know that more than anyone else.

 

[JasonKGME]

We can't even get a deal done with Buffalo let alone finagle one with 2 other teams.

That said, what you're saying is:

a. We part with Shelton
b. We pick up Surtain
c. We keep our #8 (and draft a RB)
d. Essentially trade our #44 for a #55 (& wind up with McFadden or another second-echelon CB for the future and to break in as a nickel back).
e. Move from #75 to #70 (in order to draft Everett????!!!! Can't we do better than that?)
f. Move up from #95 to #86 (in order to draft Kemoeatu - worth doing)

Not a bad idea, but I, too have got to wonder - why not just trade Shelton straight up for Surtain and keep our #44? (All the other stuff is all "wiggle room" navigation we can either do or not do to get the deal done). But the important thing is that it only involves 2 teams/not 3.

(Trying to work out multi team deals is like trying to herd a bunch of cats).

2 reasons why we dont just trade LJ to Miami straight up:

#1 If we do that Miami still has to take RB with the 1st pick means Cadillac Williams wont fall to us at #8 and I like him alot more then I like Benson

#2 Miami is in greater need of a RB then a T so not sure they much like Buffalo would do a straight up deal of Shelton for Surtain.

 

[JasonKGME]

It doesn't matter, because I don't think that Miami is going to draft a running back at #2 overall, anyway.

I have a hard time seeing Miami pass on Brown if they havent grabbed another back prior to the draft, I could possibly see it if they still had thier 2nd round pick and make sure they drafted a JJ Arrington perhaps, but obviously there is a HUGE difference between the pick of the best RB in the draft, and waiting to get a RB with the #70 pick. \

Not saying that they WON'T bypass Brown and grab a different back, but would highly suprise me.

 

[mdsisquo]

God I must be bored, but here came a trade to mind...

Arizona trades LJ Shelton and the #44 pick & the #95 pick to Buffalo for Travis Henry, thier #55 pick and thier #86 pick. Buffalo ends up getting the better end of the draft pick swaps which should make them feel they got the slight edge they wanted to get the trade done.

Arizona then trades Travis Henry and thier #75 pick to Miami for Patrick Surtain and Miamis #70 pick, Miami gets a starting RB so they dont have to go that route with the #2 pick in the draft and get more then they would have gotten from KC.


We basically end up with Patrick Surtain, drop to #55 in the 2nd round, moved up to #70 & #86 in the 3rd round instead of #75 & #95, and we can end up with our draft being:

#8 Cadillac Williams who drops due to Miami not going RB with #2.
#55 Bryant McFadden
#70 Kevin Everett
#86 Chris Kemoeatu


We fill our #1 CB issue with Surtain
We fill our #1 RB issue with Williams
We fill our #3 CB issue with McFadden who can push Macklin (and Hill if we resign him)
We fill our TE issue with Everett who EXCELLS in blocking which is a big part of DG TE requirements, but is still a good ball catcher.
and provide Guard depth incase Bridges struggles with Kemoeatu.

I believe CB's have a longer career life then RB's, so would prefer Surtain over Henry if I have to end up with just 1 Current NFL player in a trade scenario.

I think someone has been playing too much madden. Seriously, I like the idea, but it isn't going to happen. But thanks for taking the time to post a very well thought out and detailed post. Can always appreciate that!

 

[JeffGollin]

#1 If we do that Miami still has to take RB with the 1st pick means Cadillac Williams wont fall to us at #8 and I like him alot more then I like Benson
If Miami were to trade us Surtain, they'd be equally as likely to draft a cornerback at #8 to replace him.

 

[JasonKGME]

#1 If we do that Miami still has to take RB with the 1st pick means Cadillac Williams wont fall to us at #8 and I like him alot more then I like Benson
If Miami were to trade us Surtain, they'd be equally as likely to draft a cornerback at #8 to replace him.

Actually I think there s a good likelyhood if the above trade went down that Miami may very well work out some deal with the Vikings who would love to jump ahead of the Bears, Bucs & Titans to get thier WR of choice. And then Miami would probably take OT Alex Barron or the CB of their choice both of which players would be a stretch at #2.

However without the trade for a RB I think Miami will ask too much in the trade with the Vikings for the Viks to make the trade.

 

[overseascardfan]

I say trade Shelton for Henry 1 for 1, trade #95 for Patrick Surtain, and go with the BPA throughout the draft.



1. DJ not there, trade down and select Justin Miller and pick up more picks. Miller would challenge Macklin and serve as our return man.

2. Dave Baas, to start at RG and back up C.

3. JJ Arrington to back up Henry, and possibly replace him next year.

4. Kevin Everett, last real need on offense.

5. Ray Willis, back up Ross at RT.

7. BPA defensively.