3rd Pick

[Mrospi]

If Manning is gone..... Rashaun Woods....

10 catches 200 yds and a TD..........nice day....almost sounds like Anquan type numbers.


Put him opposite Boldin....and Bryant Johnson.....defenses would be having nightmares trying to stop them.

Then take the best QB available with our 2nd rounder.... probably Philip Rivers or JP Losman

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by Mrospi
If Manning is gone..... Rashaun Woods....

10 catches 200 yds and a TD..........nice day....almost sounds like Anquan type numbers.


Put him opposite Boldin....and Bryant Johnson.....defenses would be having nightmares trying to stop them.

Then take the best QB available with our 2nd rounder.... probably Philip Rivers or JP Losman

If we don't take a QB with the first pick, I would hope we don't spend a pick on a QB at all this year.

As far as WRs go, give me Williams or Fitz, please.

 

[jf-08]

Originally posted by Mrospi
If Manning is gone..... Rashaun Woods....

10 catches 200 yds and a TD..........nice day....almost sounds like Anquan type numbers.


Put him opposite Boldin....and Bryant Johnson.....defenses would be having nightmares trying to stop them.

Then take the best QB available with our 2nd rounder.... probably Philip Rivers or JP Losman

good one!

 

[jf-08]

oh, I thought you were joking around......sorry.

 

[kerouac9]

If we're going to take a WR in the draft, I hope we use a third-rounder on a guy that can catch the ball at least 75% of the time and can run really, really fast (4.4 or better). All we need in an Az-Zahir Hakm kind of guy to keep defenses honest out of the 3-WR set. Freddie Jones is good, but he's not good enough to keep safeties honest. Someone like Taylor Brayton might be able to fill that role, but I don't think that 6'2", 210 size is necessary. If the price tag weren't to be so high, I'd say we trade for the #3 WR and PR/KR in San Diego, but I always forget his name...

Dang it, as soon as I post I'll remember it...

 

[Pariah]

Tim Dwight.

BTW, this is a meerly information post and by no means an endorsement of your crazy scheme.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Pariah
Tim Dwight.

BTW, this is a meerly information post and by no means an endorsement of your crazy scheme.

Got it; thanks for the assist, anyway. I just think that, like with the offensive and defensive lines: you have a couple high-round picks pencilled in as your starters, don't invest more money when you can DEVELOP THE TALENT YOU ALREADY HAVE. I've taken a lot of heat for allegedly wanting All-Pros at every position, but I think that, if you don't take a Franchise QB at #3, you either trade down (not too far down, but we don't need/want a WR the way other teams do) or exercise the pick on the best available player.

Cris Carter and Randy Moss couldn't co-exist as Co-#1s on the Vikings. We already have a #1, #2, and a good amount of money invested in the WR corps. Build our tin secondary up. I know that this is a pretty bad draft for defense, but you just need someone with wheels and a backbone in the WR corps, not a #1.

 

[Mrospi]

Isaac Bruce & Torri Holt have survived....

Why does anyone need to be classified as the #1 guy.... If they are smart they should realize... get the best WR's you can on the team.... they should be able to help each other in getting open....Football is a team sport....

Marvin Harrison & Reggie Wayne.. not exactly equals but Harrison is probably the best WR in the game

Darrell Jackson & Koren Robinson

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Mrospi
Isaac Bruce & Torri Holt have survived....

Why does anyone need to be classified as the #1 guy.... If they are smart they should realize... get the best WR's you can on the team.... they should be able to help each other in getting open....Football is a team sport....

Marvin Harrison & Reggie Wayne.. not exactly equals but Harrison is probably the best WR in the game

Darrell Jackson & Koren Robinson

I don't know. Bruce is pretty clearly the #2 option in the STL, and has been for some at least the past 2 years. He's being classy about it, but his skills are declining, and he's getting paid. I'm just against putting that much money (especially if Anquan gets the big new deal that's being rumored here) into a position that really isn't THAT important, and on high-risk picks like WRs (Todd Pinkson, anyone?). If we were Top 15, maybe, but not in the Top 5, and not for another slow possession reciever like Larry Fitzgerald.

Reggie Wayne isn't even in the same class as Marvin Harrison. Darrell Jackson is going to end up as more of a "stretch-the-field" #2/#3 (which is what I'm looking for) like Peerless Price was, instead of a true Franchise WR. Anyone that signs Jackson to T.O.-type money is going to be very disappointed.

I'm not saying "Don't get a wide-out", but I'm saying that we already have one that is probably ahead of the learning curve that we expected (Bryant Johnson) and A. Boldin is just a star. I don't think that we need to crowd the field. Like it or not, this team has to work on a budget (the salary cap) and how much money does this team need to invest in players that maybe will get 1/5 of the touches in a game (Marvin Harrison accounted for only 16.5% of the attempted passes for the Colts in 2003, and 25% of the completions). I just don't think that THIS TEAM needs to burn a #3 overall on that position. Frankly, I'd rather have them trade down to #7 or #8 and pick the best available player than pick another WR.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Frankly, I'd rather have them trade down to #7 or #8 and pick the best available player than pick another WR.

I hear ya, but the best available player at 7 or 8 may still be a WR.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Pariah
I hear ya, but the best available player at 7 or 8 may still be a WR.

And I can accept that. It sucks that this is such an offense-laden draft (at least on the top) and things are kind of falling into place on that side of the ball (even if I'm not sold on Marcel!). Too bad that Quentin Jammer isn't in this draft. Even with all the risks and his poor performance thus far, I'd still be begging for us to take him at #3. I just don't see that much on defense in the Top 15, and I don't want to throw ANOTHER first-rounder onto the defensive line until I know what we have there.

If the best available is a fast Wr at 7 or 8, so be it. #3, though, is just too high when you have such a promising young group of high picks. Where's San Fran picking? I wonder if they'd like to get Fitz to replace TO at half the cost? They might have 2 first-rounders if they franchise Owens and trade him... Hmmm...

 

[Mrospi]

Wr seems to be extremely deep this year, so trading down is not necessarily a bad thing. But if Manning is not there I would like us to take the best available player...WR would still probably be the best player around 7 or 8.... so if we can get extra picks by dropping there, do it

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I don't know. Bruce is pretty clearly the #2 option in the STL, and has been for some at least the past 2 years. He's being classy about it, but his skills are declining, and he's getting paid. I'm just against putting that much money (especially if Anquan gets the big new deal that's being rumored here)

I missed this can anyone elaborate? I know I posted about how the Cards SHOULD rework his deal when it becomes legal(after August 1) to make it more in line with his actual performance, but i haven't seen any rumors that we are in fact going to do that?

As I said at the time I think it would be a very smart move in terms of improving our reputation with players who we may wind up targetting as free agents. Right now the Quan is our best known player, and if we show a commitment to keeping him for a long time that would help sign others.

 

[football karma]

If you are going to pick a receiver at #3, take the one that could have the biggest possible impact on the offense -- Kellen Winslow Jr.

Reach you say? Once you get past the Quarterbacks, he might be the closest thing to a sure thing of the players left, and certainly has the talent to be THE premier tight end in the league in a short time.

Think how Jeremy Shockey improved the Giants O -- and take a look at the 2002 draft and tell me where Shockey goes if they picked again-- top 5 guaranteed

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by en fuego
Think how Jeremy Shockey improved the Giants O -- and take a look at the 2002 draft and tell me where Shockey goes if they picked again-- top 5 guaranteed

Really? As far as I could tell, the kid only scored 1 TD his rookie season (I think), and then went to the Pro Bowl this season for doing basically nothing.

Taking a TE in the Top 5 would be almost as bad as taking a kicker in the top 5. Especially one that can't run block.

 

[Mrospi]

An Actually.... If Larry Fitzgerald is allowed to be part of the draft, I would take him ahead of Woods....and I would take either Woods or Fitzgerald ahead of Winslow Jr.....I think Winslow jr will be mid to late 1st rounder

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Mrospi
An Actually.... If Larry Fitzgerald is allowed to be part of the draft, I would take him ahead of Woods....and I would take either Woods or Fitzgerald ahead of Winslow Jr.....I think Winslow jr will be mid to late 1st rounder

Larry Fitzgerald has good hands, but he is S-L-O-W slow. AND he doesn't show up in big games against good opponents. Miami shut him down and their seconday is having an OFF season.

I do agree that I wouldn't take Winslow Jr above 17.

 

[Mrospi]

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/410630


Maybe slow.... be consistently finds the endzone.....besides Bryant Johnson is our guy to stretch the field....Of course, everyone said Boldin was slow.... so not sure it means all that much.... I want a playmaker.... this guy gets in the endzone and we need to do that more....

Bryan Gilmore has speed....but where is his production???

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Larry Fitzgerald has good hands, but he is S-L-O-W slow. AND he doesn't show up in big games against good opponents. Miami shut him down and their seconday is having an OFF season.

I do agree that I wouldn't take Winslow Jr above 17.

Devil's advocate. Anquan Boldin is slower than Fitzgerald. Last year against Miami Quan caught 2 balls for 33 yards with 0 TD's. He had only 1 catch against Virginia for 17 yards.

I think what it shows is a great player against a great team can be at a real disadvantage if that team just decides to NOT let him have a big day. I have similar doubts about Fitzgerald but Miami basically just said look we are NOT going to let this kid beat us and they have such great athletes at Miami they were able to do it and win.

 

[Mulli]

Larry Fitzgerald has good hands, but he is S-L-O-W slow. AND he doesn't show up in big games against good opponents. Miami shut him down and their seconday is having an OFF season.

I do agree that I wouldn't take Winslow Jr above 17.

Bump!!!

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Hilarious...I am sure all of us have tons of those we regret. Wish K9 were here to enjoy this with the rest of us. For all of us who have suffered together so long, this is just so sweet.