6/17/04 Magic ready to let McGrady go?

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Thursday, June 17, 2004

By Chad Ford
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The NBA season might be over, but the real season is just beginning. Trade talk has been heating up for weeks, and it should reach a fever pitch today as we get within a week of the NBA draft. Insider has its ear to the ground. Here's what we're hearing:

Will Magic move McGrady?

We're still waiting to hear the outcome of a meeting scheduled this week between Magic owner Rich DeVos and Tracy McGrady. Apparently, though, Magic GM John Weisbrod already has made up his mind.
Multiple NBA sources told Insider on Wednesday that a handful of teams have had discussions with Weisbrod about trading for McGrady and he's open to dealing his superstar.
Weisbrod asked McGrady last week to tell the organization whether he plans to opt out of his contract next summer. If McGrady was dead set on leaving, the Magic would attempt to trade him in an effort to get some value back. If McGrady can live with the Magic's rebuilding plan, they'd go out of their way to rebuild quickly and get the team back into playoff contention.


The Magic can't afford to lose Tracy McGrady without getting some value in return.
While McGrady claims he's going into the meeting with DeVos with an "open mind," sources throughout the league claim McGrady would prefer to be traded to a contender.
"Of course, I'll meet with Mr. DeVos. Why wouldn't I?" McGrady told the Orlando Sentinel on Wednesday. "We'll talk. We'll definitely sit down. I'll let him know where I stand, and I'm sure he'll try to sell me on his belief that things will be better here. We'll put everything on the table. ... What they can and can't do [to improve the team]. I'll get some things off my chest. But at the end of the day, I have to do what's best for me."
"I've been rebuilding here for four years. I'm definitely not trying to rebuild."
The Magic will bring in Emeka Okafor and Dwight Howard for pre-draft workouts Friday and Saturday in a last-ditch effort to convince McGrady that one of the two top prospects could provide immediate help.
Grant Hill also has been involved, telling McGrady his ankle is as strong as it's been since he broke it in 2000 and he's ready to go for next season.
Apparently, the Magic already believe it won't be enough. Over the past week, trade talk has intensified. The Magic don't want to move T-Mac, but they're not going to take any chances. Losing him for nothing would be devastating.
Where might he go? The rumors were flying fast and furious on Wednesday. Among the possibilities we're hearing:

Phoenix Suns: The Suns have been angling to land Kobe Bryant this summer, but they may have an easier, even more attractive option with McGrady. The word around the league is the Suns are willing to part with Shawn Marion, Casey Jacobsen, the rights to Milos Vujanic and the No. 7 pick in the draft for McGrady. But those same sources say the Magic want the Suns to substitute Joe Johnson for Jacobsen. That could be a sticking point for the Suns, who absolutely want to keep Johnson.


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This deal would be a slam dunk for the Suns, because it would leave them still roughly $9 million under the cap. They could get to $15 million under if they can move Jahidi White to the Bobcats in the expansion draft. The Suns then could use their cap space to make a run at a point guard like Steve Nash or a big guy like Mehmet Okur and/or Vlade Divac.
It also makes some sense for the Magic. Marion is capable of being an all-star in the East. The Magic could use their No. 1 pick on a big guy like Okafor or Howard, then turn around and use the No. 7 pick on a point guard like Devin Harris, Ben Gordon or Shaun Livingston. A core of Marion, Jacobsen, the two lottery picks and several Magic role players would be a great start at rebuilding the Magic.

Indiana Pacers: Team president Donnie Walsh said Tuesday he's been actively pursuing McGrady. "We could make it work, absolutely," Walsh told the Indianapolis Star. "I have spoken to somebody in their organization, and I sensed there was interest there. What they're telling me is, there's a good chance he's going to be traded. So, yeah, a player like that out there, we're definitely going to be interested."


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The Magic want Jermaine O'Neal, but that isn't going to happen. Instead, they'd have to settle for a combination of Al Harrington and either Ron Artest or Jonathan Bender. If that's the way the Magic decide to go, they'd have to wait until June 30. That's the day both Artest and Bender lose their base-year compensation status, making them available to trade.
The deal's obviously a slam dunk for the Pacers -- though it's a little harder to swallow if they have to include Artest. Still, having a chance to land a superstar like McGrady comes along only once or twice a decade. The combo of T-Mac and O'Neal would likely shift the balance of power in the East again.
The move also makes some sense from Orlando's perspective. Artest would give them a bona fide all-star in return for McGrady. Harrington is a solid option at the three or the four. They also wouldn't be breaking the bank for either star, as both are signed to reasonable deals.

Los Angeles Clippers: The Clippers also are rumored to be in the mix. They could offer a package of Corey Maggette, the No. 2 pick, Marko Jaric and Melvin Ely in return for McGrady. Because the Clippers are under the salary cap, they can absorb the difference in salaries.
This could be a very attractive option for the Magic. Having both the No. 1 and No. 2 picks allows Orlando to select both Okafor and Howard. Or, they could trade the No. 2 to a team like Charlotte or Atlanta and pocket the No. 4 or the No. 6 and No. 17 picks. They could use the lottery pick on a point guard and the No. 17 pick on one of the young Euros.
Even with McGrady on the books, the Clippers still would have enough cap room to make a run at a top free agent this summer. With a combo of Elton Brand and T-Mac anchoring the team, the Clips likely could re-sign Quentin Richardson and make a run at a point guard like Steve Nash or Jamal Crawford in free agency.

Memphis Grizzlies: The Grizzlies also will be active in pursuing Kobe this summer, though they lack cap space and thus would have to pull off a sign-and-trade with L.A. That's not likely, because the last thing Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak wants to do is trade Kobe to Jerry West, Kupchak's mentor. Given that, McGrady might be a more realistic target.
The Grizzlies are loaded with young talent and could put together a nice package of Pau Gasol, James Posey, Shane Battier and Earl Watson for T-Mac. If the Magic then added a player like Okafor in the draft, they could sport an all-new starting five next year.
The Grizzlies would have to give up a lot of their depth to make that trade happen, however, and they would be very reluctant to pull the trigger if it meant giving up Gasol.
"If the Grizzlies did that," one source told Insider, "how much different would they be than Orlando? Depth is the reason the Grizzlies won 50 games. Without it, they're one injury away from heading back to the lottery."
Houston Rockets: There also has been talk throughout the league for weeks about a trade of Steve Francis and Bostjan Nachbar for T-Mac. Jeff Van Gundy wants a real point guard running the show and prefers that his No. 1 scoring option not also be the point guard. The Magic have a real need at the point, though it's tough to see how adding just Francis to the mix changes the Magic fortunes next year.

Heat:
The Heat have been dangling Caron Butler as trade bait around the league in an effort to get either Brian Grant or Eddie Jones off the books. The Heat would prefer to move Jones, but in this case, the Magic would have more interest in a Butler/Grant deal. That may be enough to scare off the Heat. But then again, a combo of Lamar Odom, Dwyane Wade and T-Mac could be devastating.

Abdur-Rahim gone? Several sources claim that the Blazers all but have a deal in place to move Shareef Abdur-Rahim. The question is where? As Insider first reported last week, several league sources are claiming that the Blazers are talking to the Nets about trading Abdur-Rahim for Kerry Kittles, Aaron Williams and the No. 22 pick.

Chasing Stojakovic:
After Chris Webber's derogatory comments about Peja Stojakovic after the Kings lost in the second round, several teams have inquired about Peja Stojakovic's availability. One team that could make some sense here is the Pacers. The Kings might consider an Al Harrington-and-Ron Artest-for-Stojakovic-and-Doug Christie deal, though giving up Artest may just be too much to swallow for the Pacers.

Sheed a Knick?: The Lakers aren't the only team that may lose a valuable player or two this summer. We've all just assumed that the Rasheed Wallace will re-sign with the Pistons this summer. They can offer him more money and he just won a ring there. That, however, doesn't seem to be gospel.
"That's where he wanted to go from Portland and we tried like hell to get it done," said his agent Bill Strickland, adding it's too early to speculate on whether Wallace will sign with Detroit.
"Don't get me wrong, I think they're a great group of guys that I'm playing with," Wallace said. "But my family, they are going to have the last decision."

Opting out:
Several players have exercised opt-out clauses in contracts over the course of the last week that could have a major impact in free agency.
Karl Malone opted out of his contract on Wednesday. His agent, Dwight Manley, claims that if Malone is healthy enough to play next year, he'll likely play with the Lakers. But don't be so sure. As long as the Mailman's knee checks out OK, there will be other contenders bidding for his services. Malone wants a ring in the worst way. The way things are going in L.A., it's unlikely to happen there. Derek Fisher is also expected to opt out by Friday.
Gary Payton has until June 30th to opt out of his contract. But can he get more than the $5.4 million he's due from the Lakers in the open market? Probably not. But with how poorly things have turned in L.A., he may leave anyway.


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The Spurs' Bruce Bowen surprised everyone by opting out of the last year of his deal. He gave up $4 million in guaranteed money. It's hard to believe he'll get more than that on the open market. The move allows the Spurs to clear more cap room in an effort to make a big splash in free agency this summer.
The Spurs' No. 1 target is believed to be Kobe Bryant. By clearing Bowen off the books, the Spurs now have the necessary cash to offer Bryant the max. A combo of Bryant and Duncan, along with Tony Parker running the point, has to be scaring the hell out of everyone in the league right now.
Folks are also waiting to see what Erick Dampier is going to do. The Warriors' big man has until June 30th to opt out. Dampier is still hoping that the Warriors come to the table with a contract extension. But short of that, the math, believe it or not, may make sense for Dampier to opt out. He has $16.9 million remaining on his deal right now. However, after two more seasons in the league, it's unlikely that Dampier, who turns 30 in July, will command a large contract after this one expires. If he can talk a team into a six-year contract now, even at a pay cut to the mid-level exception, the numbers work out in Damp's favor.

Another big question mark is Latrell Sprewell, who has until the 30th to opt out of his contract. He has only one year remaining on his deal. It's unlikely he could command anywhere close to the $30-plus million he's owed by the T-Wolves the next two seasons.

Marcus Camby did exercise his opt-out clause, but from all appearances it appears that he already has a deal in place to re-up with the Nuggets.
Brian Skinner's agent, Joel Bell, told Insider that his client plans to opt out of his contract on June 20th, making him an unrestricted free agent. Skinner's name was on the Bucks' unprotected list. However, once Skinner opts out, he'll be ineligible to be selected by the Bobcats.

T-Wolves guard Troy Hudson will opt out of his contract. The prevailing rumor is that the Grizzlies are hot on his trail.
 

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If I was the GM of the Magic I would probably choose one of these deals

1. LA Clippers (Having the #1 & 2 seems like a great idea and
it gives them alot of options but I think this is not a strong
draft class with too many "what if.." players)

2. Grizzlies (With Gasol, it gives them a big man that could help out
their rebuildling process and be very effective in the east; they
also add 3 solid role players)

This trade will probably make them a playoff contender but not enough
to win the East

3. Phoenix (Cuz it makes Phoenix a better team :D )
 

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Like Joe mentioned in the earlier thread, the combo of Ron Artest and Al Harrington is by far the best offer listed.

The Grizzlies are giving up to many players to make them contenders after adding McGrady.......

The Clippers trade is interesting, but it is probally the least likely to have a chance at happening

I would say the Suns package is the second best listed.


I would hate to add Francis to my team as the centerpiece.....
 

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Let Orlando keep McGrady. Giving up Shawn Marion is too much for me but I've already expressed my opinion on the subject before.
 

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I'd rather sign Kobe and keep Marion and the #7 pick than trading #7 and Marion for McGrady and sign Okur and Nash.

Marion and whoever we get at #7 is worth a lot more to me than Nash and Okur.
 

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Biclops said:
If I was the GM of the Magic I would probably choose one of these deals

1. LA Clippers (Having the #1 & 2 seems like a great idea and
it gives them alot of options but I think this is not a strong
draft class with too many "what if.." players)

2. Grizzlies (With Gasol, it gives them a big man that could help out
their rebuildling process and be very effective in the east; they
also add 3 solid role players)

This trade will probably make them a playoff contender but not enough
to win the East

3. Phoenix (Cuz it makes Phoenix a better team :D )


The Griz is in the west.
 

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If the Lakers had Shawn Marion they would have beat the Pistons.

Marion is the perfect complementary player. You don't have to run any plays for him and all he does is work his but off and get 15 and 10.

I think he would be a great third option behind Amare and (insert All Star guard here)
 

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devilalum said:
The Griz is in the west.

I think he was refering to the impact on the Magic if they traded with the Grizzlies. The "them" and "they" below is the Magic I think.

Biclops said:
2. Grizzlies (With Gasol, it gives them a big man that could help out
their rebuildling process and be very effective in the east; they
also add 3 solid role players)
 

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Thanx SirChaz

Everything you said was right (them & they = Magic)

Studying for finals and posting at the same time is not a very smart
thing to do ;)
 
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As we all know, the deal between the Suns and Magic has been around for months now.

I do not think the Suns will trade JJ and #7 with Marion to get McGrady.
I do not think they will trade the #7 with Marion to get McGrady.

In an article a while back, someone on the Suns said they would not trade more than Marion to get McGrady. Now, they may trade more than him but probably not the # 7 pick.

I think Chad Ford may be speculating here on old news to write and article.
 

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sunsfn said:
As we all know, the deal between the Suns and Magic has been around for months now.

I do not think the Suns will trade JJ and #7 with Marion to get McGrady.
I do not think they will trade the #7 with Marion to get McGrady.

In an article a while back, someone on the Suns said they would not trade more than Marion to get McGrady. Now, they may trade more than him but probably not the # 7 pick.

I think Chad Ford may be speculating here on old news to write and article.

In other threads I said that almost any deal that did not include Amare, JJ, Lampe, and Barbosa would be worth considering. The Orlando papers were rather dismissive of even a proposal including JJ. In any case, it only works if the T-Mac wants to sign an extension.

BTW, if the Suns do the Marion for T-Mac deal, Bruce Bowen would be a useful pickup with some of the remaining cap space.
 
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I really think Bruce Bowen will resign with the Spurs.

He opted out to sign for more years and stay with them.
He could win another championship with them and I am sure they want him back.

I also think they will try hard to resign Jackson after he opted out of his Atlanta contract.

I think? :p
 

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Folks are also waiting to see what Erick Dampier is going to do. The Warriors' big man has until June 30th to opt out. Dampier is still hoping that the Warriors come to the table with a contract extension. But short of that, the math, believe it or not, may make sense for Dampier to opt out. He has $16.9 million remaining on his deal right now. However, after two more seasons in the league, it's unlikely that Dampier, who turns 30 in July, will command a large contract after this one expires. If he can talk a team into a six-year contract now, even at a pay cut to the mid-level exception, the numbers work out in Damp's favor.

I still think he will go East on a sign and trade, but if he is considering a deal starting below $6 million I'd say the Suns should be talking to him. I don't like Dampier at $9 or $10 million, but I love him at $6. :thumbup:
 

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as chad ford said in his chat today (and as i said a couple months ago), the suns are the frontrunners.

the package is good that they're offering, and his sources say phoenix is a place he'll commit to resign with (as opposed to all other places sans houston). I say if we want this, its out there. the only snag could be the adding of jj. however, to me jj needs to be the man if he's going to shine. you put him w/ mcgrady, his worth is going to plummet anyways. i know he'll be great on the right team, but that's OK. sometimes you have to bite the bullet, get tmac, sign a fa and dominate next year (once again assuming kobe wouldn't come).

if kobe's coming, throw everything I said out the window
 

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as chad ford said in his chat today (and as i said a couple months ago), the suns are the frontrunners.

the package is good that they're offering, and his sources say phoenix is a place he'll commit to resign with (as opposed to all other places sans houston). I say if we want this, its out there. the only snag could be the adding of jj. however, to me jj needs to be the man if he's going to shine. you put him w/ mcgrady, his worth is going to plummet anyways. i know he'll be great on the right team, but that's OK. sometimes you have to bite the bullet, get tmac, sign a fa and dominate next year (once again assuming kobe wouldn't come).

if kobe's coming, throw everything I said out the window

I agree. If the Phoenix Suns trade for McGrady or Kobe Bryant I think they should be checking about JJ's value around the league. I think he will look a lot like he did with Marbury if he doesn't have the ball in his hands. If he does have the ball in his hands he's a good player, but at best he's a poor man's version of Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, etc. Yet he is going to put up nice numbers and expected big contract next summer.

It's really a shame that the Phoenix Suns can't keep Shawn Marion and acquire McGrady because they would be a nice combo.

Shawn Marion, Vujanic, Casey Jacobsen, and #7 is the most I would offer for Tracy McGrady. Even that much makes me nervous. I'm not sure McGrady would really want to come here if the Phoenix Suns had to get up Shawn Marion, JJ, and #7 draft pick to get him. That leaves the suns with money to spend in free agency but a bunch of holes to fill.

I still think if the Pacers offer Artest and Harrington and another decent player for McGrady that is far and away the best offer. I would trade Shawn Marion and JJ for Artest and Harrington.

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Joe Mama said:
I still think if the Pacers offer Artest and Harrington and another decent player for McGrady that is far and away the best offer. I would trade Shawn Marion and JJ for Artest and Harrington.

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What? Artest is a fine player, no question, but Harrington ain't exactly a stud. You won't trade Marion and JJ for McGrady but you'll trade them for Artest and Harrington? :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, and why was it that people didn't want Rasheed Wallace? Oh, it was because of his thug attitude. Hmmm, now you want Artest? Great idea!
 

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We should put a bowler hat on that 'rolleyes' symbol. Maybe a sound effect, too--like the sound of a metal slug rolling around inside an empty jar. :p


As I've said before, the only Suns/McGrady deal that makes any sense is Joe Johnson and fillers, in this case Jacobsen and Vujanic and possibly Cleveland's pick. That way, the Magic will be in decent shape whether Grant Hill is able to come back or not, the Suns won't have to worry about signing JJ to a long-term deal.

If the Suns are really worth $400m, they shouldn't be worried about carrying three max contracts.


It looks like the Suns are more and more interested in keeping the #7 pick as they see who's likely to be available, which is what I hoped and believed would happen. :)
 

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What? Artest is a fine player, no question, but Harrington ain't exactly a stud. You won't trade Marion and JJ for McGrady but you'll trade them for Artest and Harrington? :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, and why was it that people didn't want Rasheed Wallace? Oh, it was because of his thug attitude. Hmmm, now you want Artest? Great idea!

why the attitude? Have I done something to upset you today? :rolleyes:

I agree that Artest's attitude would be a concern, but it didn't work out well for the Detroit Pistons. Also, no one ever questions Artest's Will to Win. He's an extremely hard worker. Unlike Rasheed Wallace, Artest's contract is extremely reasonable (about $6 million less than Shawn Marion next year), and he's signed through 2007-08. Despite the attitude there might not be a GM in the NBA that would rather have Shawn Marion than artest, and that's before you consider their salary difference.

Al Harrington is underrated IMO. The only problem with him is that he's had a season or two with injury problems. However he's been just fine the last two seasons. He and JJ are entirely different players, so it's very difficult to compare the two of them.

None of this really matters though. There isn't going to be a Shawn Marion/JJ for Artest/Harrington trade, and the Phoenix Suns aren't going to trade Shawn Marion and JJ for Tracy McGrady. That's my $.02 anyhow.

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Joe Mama said:
why the attitude? Have I done something to upset you today? :rolleyes:

I agree that Artest's attitude would be a concern, but it didn't work out well for the Detroit Pistons. Also, no one ever questions Artest's Will to Win. He's an extremely hard worker. Unlike Rasheed Wallace, Artest's contract is extremely reasonable (about $6 million less than Shawn Marion next year), and he's signed through 2007-08. Despite the attitude there might not be a GM in the NBA that would rather have Shawn Marion than artest, and that's before you consider their salary difference.

Al Harrington is underrated IMO. The only problem with him is that he's had a season or two with injury problems. However he's been just fine the last two seasons. He and JJ are entirely different players, so it's very difficult to compare the two of them.

None of this really matters though. There isn't going to be a Shawn Marion/JJ for Artest/Harrington trade, and the Phoenix Suns aren't going to trade Shawn Marion and JJ for Tracy McGrady. That's my $.02 anyhow.

Joe Mama

And well worth the price. :wave:

IMHO, the Pacers are in a better position to give value because they can throw more experienced players into the pot, but I think it will be hard for the Magic to get what they want. They seem to be busy painting themselves into a corner.
 

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