A Green-Moss reunion is a hairy proposition

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Jan. 17, 2005 12:00 AM

Some players are worth the trouble, and Randy Moss is not one of them.

I imagine Dennis Green thinks otherwise.

"He has not brought it up and I'm not sure he ever would," said Rod Graves, Cardinals vice president of football operations.



But what if Green's plans for the 2005 season suddenly include another outrageous fantasy? Like Moss wearing red, a Green reunion with a monster he helped create? It is an idea that makes no sense, and that's exactly what scares me.

In the past three weeks, Moss has left nothing but red flags in his wake. He walked off the field before the end of a game at Washington. His mock mooning of the fans in Green Bay drew heavy criticism from the old guard.

In Sunday's season-ending loss to the Eagles, he again seemed like a disinterested observer, albeit injured, mistakingly leaving the field during a fake field-goal attempt.

Starring in his own postseason reality show has again fueled Moss' dark image, so much that the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported there are "highly placed members of the (Vikings) organization who are exasperated with him."

Whispers are growing that the Vikings may look to trade Moss simply to clean up their image, end a bad act and, most importantly, clear a great amount of salary-cap space in the coming years. There could be dealings with Baltimore, where the Ravens may be willing to send over a defensive starter and a No. 1 draft pick.

And then there's the Green factor.

To understand the relationship between Green and Moss, know that 19 other teams passed on Moss before Green selected him with the 21st pick in the 1998 draft. Moss became an instant superstar and Green stood firmly by his side, reveling in the role of genius.

The two became allies in a world full of haters, in lockstep to the end, when Green would be highly criticized for refusing to rein in the wild child, in effect creating the (erratic) player he is today.

Moss has never forgotten that show of loyalty. He's spoken longingly of Green in the past. And surely, the Vikings would rather have Anquan Boldin and a draft pick for Moss, wouldn't they?

One can only hope that Boldin's tenuous contract position with the team - a position that could ultimately lead to a holdout and trade demands - doesn't fuel this Moss fantasy.

"As much as we might admire Randy's ability on the football field, and as much impact as he may have as a player, how much would we benefit above what we have now?" Graves said. "Right now, we have needs that are of much greater priority now than that position."

Good, because this fantasy couldn't work here. A petulant force like Moss can only play where there's a stronger presence in the room, someone that has a firm grip on the team. Like Baltimore, where Ray Lewis runs the show.

Or like it was in Chicago, when Dennis Rodman was buffered by Michael Jordan.

Graves knows this perfectly well, and while that's comforting, he doesn't carry quite the oomph that Green does around Tempe. Judging by their comparative draft records, it is the way it should be.

But Moss? Please, Denny, no. Because we know how much you love bucking the system, which is why you took him in the first place. Because we know how stubborn you get when latching onto new ideas or old friends, and this guy happens to be both.


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/columns/articles/0117bickley0117.html
 

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This article caused me to "drop Bickley a line."

What he essentially did was to pull a speculation out of his butt and then (at least indirectly) criticize Dennis for it. From a journalistic standpoint, this is definitely uncool.

I told him that, at least the perception among some fans, has to be that the AZR sportswriters and editors must be continually fishing for obscure angles that will put the Cardinals in a bad light.

In other words - Since Bick couldn't come up with any hard news about the Cardinals that he could use - so he made a huge speculative leap and then used it to take an indirect shot at Green.

I have a problem with that.
 

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I would agree with you. First he "imagines" what Denny would do, and then criticizes him for it. Total crap.
 

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JeffGollin said:
This article caused me to "drop Bickley a line."

What he essentially did was to pull a speculation out of his butt and then (at least indirectly) criticize Dennis for it. From a journalistic standpoint, this is definitely uncool.

I told him that, at least the perception among some fans, has to be that the AZR sportswriters and editors must be continually fishing for obscure angles that will put the Cardinals in a bad light.

In other words - Since Bick couldn't come up with any hard news about the Cardinals that he could use - so he made a huge speculative leap and then used it to take an indirect shot at Green.

I have a problem with that.

Glad you did that -Bickley is a total hack. Let us know if he responds.
 

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JeffGollin said:
This article caused me to "drop Bickley a line."

What he essentially did was to pull a speculation out of his butt and then (at least indirectly) criticize Dennis for it. From a journalistic standpoint, this is definitely uncool.

I told him that, at least the perception among some fans, has to be that the AZR sportswriters and editors must be continually fishing for obscure angles that will put the Cardinals in a bad light.

In other words - Since Bick couldn't come up with any hard news about the Cardinals that he could use - so he made a huge speculative leap and then used it to take an indirect shot at Green.

I have a problem with that.

We've had entire threads on this board for over a year now about trading for Moss and would it be good or bad. I don't see why it's wrong for Bickley to put in writing what we're openly speculating about?

And I took the article to be him saying please don't do it Green, in effect giving Green "advice". The only attack so to speak was the insinuation that Green let Moss get away with it early in his career and that's why he's still doing it now. The first part is clearly true, Green did let Moss get away with it, that's been well documented, the 2nd part I'd disagree with, Moss is an adult, it's on HIM not Green that he's still pulling such stupid stunts.

If you watched any of the HS all star game over the weekend (the army sponsored one) the WR who won the MVP award had some bizarre moments himself. First quarter he has a TD pass but at the 5 yard line instead of running in he does a leaping "cartwheel" towards the endzone, fumbles the ball on the 6 inch line, and it's recovered by the defense as he's celebrating his "touchdown". Dumbest play I've ever seen, worse than Leon Lett.

Later on a punt return he's the up man, backs up instead of letting the punt go over his head, and runs into the deep man, punt bounces off the deep man, and is recovered by the kicking team. Sure enough when they talked to the guy and asked him about the cartwheel he says he idolizes "moss and TO". Apparently the kid is going to USC, I missed his actual announcement his name is DeSean Jackson, his dad said he wanted to "beat him up" when he saw the play. The kid is also talking about playing baseball since his other idol is Deion Sanders.
 

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Gotta love speculation...

it's what keeps Bickley and MJ going!

For me, I say if they offer Moss for Boldin I say "No.". Not because I think Boldin is better than Moss as a player, he certainly isn't. BUT, because Moss is an ass and Boldin is a quality individual and is damn good too :)

Just pass on this knuclehead. He's not worth it IMO!
 

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Like I said before, I'd be willing to part with a future pick, or two, for him. But, no players. Well, Cameron Spikes and Karl Williams maybe.
 

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ajcardfan said:
Like I said before, I'd be willing to part with a future pick, or two, for him. But, no players. Well, Cameron Spikes and Karl Williams maybe.

I'd only consider it if Rosenhaus literally demands a trade for Quan and we're then stuck. I believe Moss will play harder for Green than he does for Tice, but he's got a chronic ankle problem now, and in the end he is what he is, a selfish jerk, he's going to continue to do that stuff and you don't really want your young players around it.
 

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Russ Smith said:
I'd only consider it if Rosenhaus literally demands a trade for Quan and we're then stuck. I believe Moss will play harder for Green than he does for Tice, but he's got a chronic ankle problem now, and in the end he is what he is, a selfish jerk, he's going to continue to do that stuff and you don't really want your young players around it.

I figure we'd get at least one sensational year out of him, maybe two, with him being on his best behavior. I think it would only happen for Green.

It's all speculation anyways, I think this is really, really unlikely under any scenario.
 

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azdad1978 said:
In Sunday's season-ending loss to the Eagles, he again seemed like a disinterested observer, albeit injured, mistakingly leaving the field during a fake field-goal attempt.

:thumbdown:

Get your facts straight Bickley:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...N0aA--?slug=ap-vikings-moss&prov=ap&type=lgns

``When you get to the playoffs, you can't have mistakes,'' said backup quarterback Gus Frerotte, the holder on the botched fake that cost the Vikings badly needed momentum near the end of the first half.

Trailing 21-7, Minnesota faced fourth-and-goal at the 3-yard line with less than five minutes remaining. As the offense awaited word, several players motioned to coach Mike Tice to go for it.

The kicking team ran out, though. Moss -- who caught flak two weeks ago for leaving the field in frustration as the Vikings lined up for a desperation onside kick in Washington -- jogged toward the sideline perpendicular to the goal line.

He stopped just before going out of bounds, however, and was ready to line up as an eligible receiver without anyone covering him.

But there was a big problem.

Backup center Cory Withrow was on the field, unaware of plans for the fake, and coaches and teammates had to yell for Moss to come off to avoid a penalty for too many men on the field.


``I didn't hear the call where I was standing,'' Withrow said quietly.

Frerotte took the snap, jumped up, looked left to where Moss would've been, and had nobody open. He was forced to throw the ball out of the end zone, and the Eagles took over on downs.

``It was there,'' Frerotte said. ``They didn't even know it was coming. We would've thrown a touchdown, it would've been 21-14 and we would have had all the momentum. It's just one of those things.''

Moss, who finished with three receptions for 51 yards, declined to comment after the game.

``It's very unfortunate,'' Tice said, ``because I thought it was set up very, very well.''
 

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Just say no to Moss at any price, including free.

He has talent yes,

Like someone else said he's the NFL version of Dennis R.

Only a few teams could stand to have him and the Ravens would be one. Ray Lewis would literally beat him down for half the stuff he does now.
 

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We've had entire threads on this board for over a year now about trading for Moss and would it be good or bad. I don't see why it's wrong for Bickley to put in writing what we're openly speculating about?
If - during a slow newsday - within the context of balanced commentary about the Cards in the AZR - Bick decided to write an "I had a dream" (make that "nightmare") column about the team, I wouldn't have a problem.

But - within the context of a newspaper which already "lists a bit to the south" covering the Cardinals - when a writer goes out of his way to dream up something he can stick it to the Cardinals with, I have a problem with that.
 

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