A question

[CardLogic]

members of the Navarre is Qb of the Future sect?

I'm not sure that club has any members...

 

[Redsz]

People are defending Young left and right on this board. Somebody's even trying to claim he's an honor roll student.Well,if he's on the the honor roll at Texas, then Andy Katzenmoyer is valedictorian at Ohio State.

Wrong, straight from the Texas football bio:


PERSONAL
Born 5/18/83 in Houston … full name is Vincent Paul Young, Jr. … majoring in liberal arts … earned a spot on UT’s Athletics Director’s Academic Honor Roll ... very active in UT’s community service program … mentors at local elementary and middle schools … has volunteered time at Austin YMCA and served as a speaker at several youth organizations in Austin … also is active in community service projects through his church … speaks to local elementary school children and at youth football banquets … likes to play video games and hang out with friends in his spare time.

Anyone who scores a 6,and i don't care if he was prepared or not, has some serious brainwave issues. People are saying Dan Marino had a 16.I'm sure, unlike Young, he came across as somewhat intelligent in interviews. Plus, he was a prototypical QB who ran a somewhat, for college, complex offense.

Again you have your information wrong. Young was rumored to have scored a 15/16. Dan Marino scored a 13 on the wonderlic. McNabb's score was just as low. Which AGAIN proves that the Wonderlic has no corelation to on field sucess or 'intelligence'.

Lets's call Young what he is.He's a terrific athlete that has some serious issues at translating his game to the NFL level. He could be the next Randall Cunningham, who btw wasn't a top 10 pick, or the next Michael Bishop. Either way,i would hate to waste a top 10 pick on a guy with such collossal bust potential.

I'm the exact opposite. I have no problem with using the 10th overall on Young because he has more upside than any other player in the draft.

While you look at him as a potentially huge bust - I look at him as potentially being a huge star that changes the QB postion completly and solidifys the Cardinals at QB for years.

I know all draft picks are potential busts but the Cards seem pretty close to contending for a playoff spot. Do we take a flyer on a guy who,at best,can play in 3 years and pass on a potential defensive rookie of the year candidate in Huff/Williams/Hawk who could help the Cards contend next year? I say that's an easy answer. NO.

If we are so close, why not take a flyer on a guy that could be the man for the next 10 years?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Wrong, straight from the Texas football bio:


PERSONAL
Born 5/18/83 in Houston … full name is Vincent Paul Young, Jr. … majoring in liberal arts … earned a spot on UT’s Athletics Director’s Academic Honor Roll ... very active in UT’s community service program … mentors at local elementary and middle schools … has volunteered time at Austin YMCA and served as a speaker at several youth organizations in Austin … also is active in community service projects through his church … speaks to local elementary school children and at youth football banquets … likes to play video games and hang out with friends in his spare time.



Again you have your information wrong. Young was rumored to have scored a 15/16. Dan Marino scored a 13 on the wonderlic. McNabb's score was just as low. Which AGAIN proves that the Wonderlic has no corelation to on field sucess or 'intelligence'.



I'm the exact opposite. I have no problem with using the 10th overall on Young because he has more upside than any other player in the draft.

While you look at him as a potentially huge bust - I look at him as potentially being a huge star that changes the QB postion completly and solidifys the Cardinals at QB for years.



If we are so close, why not take a flyer on a guy that could be the man for the next 10 years?

So, in Texas, the AD has his own academic honor roll ? Okay, i'm going to start my own honor roll.First guy on it is Maurice Clarett.

The Charlie WArd comparison is not based on race. You guys are just trying to stir something up. It was based on both guys leading their team to the Nat'l championship playing a similar style of football. Why don't some of you go back and look at tapes of Charlie Ward before spouting off.There was no bigger proponent than me for drafting Byron Leftwich. I go by style of play and ability as to who i think will be good. You want a white QB he compares to-Steve Bellisari from OSU. He was running QB who tried to pass the ball every now and then. He was a great athlete,about 6'3 220 but he didn't win the NC.Oh yeah, he was drafted in the 6th round by St.Louis as a safety. I'm sorry but McNabb is about the only run first(when he came into the league) QB to have success. I'm not counting Vick because he hadn't really won anything yet. Again, sorry those guys are both black.I just didn't think Drew Bledsoe or Kurt WArner were considered mobile QB's who can get yards with their feet.

 

[kerouac9]

I mean, I think he has enough upside to warrant being picked at #10, and if he's there, I think we have to gamble that he'll turn out to be a good QB.

See, what are you basing that estimation of "upside" on? That's what I really don't get. What are people seeing in this guy that I'm just not? It has to be just that Mortenson/Kiper are talking him up.

The guy looks to me like the second-coming of Rob Johnson. No thanks.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Back when he was draft eligible was there a clamoring for the Cards to take Charlie Ward? Because that's who the Cards would be drafting if they took Vince Young. They are very similar type players and played in a similar offense. FSU's offense was probably a bit more sophisticated but it was pretty much line Charlie up in the shotgun and have him make a play.FSU also won a National Championship doing this,so did Texas.Ward was the most athletic dual threat at QB in his day, so is Young.Ward was a late round pick that played in the NBA.Why is Young considered a top 10 pick?

People are defending Young left and right on this board. Somebody's even trying to claim he's an honor roll student.Well,if he's on the the honor roll at Texas, then Andy Katzenmoyer is valedictorian at Ohio State. Anyone who scores a 6,and i don't care if he was prepared or not, has some serious brainwave issues. People are saying Dan Marino had a 16.I'm sure, unlike Young, he came across as somewhat intelligent in interviews. Plus, he was a prototypical QB who ran a somewhat, for college, complex offense.

Lets's call Young what he is.He's a terrific athlete that has some serious issues at translating his game to the NFL level. He could be the next Randall Cunningham, who btw wasn't a top 10 pick, or the next Michael Bishop. Either way,i would hate to waste a top 10 pick on a guy with such collossal bust potential. I know all draft picks are potential busts but the Cards seem pretty close to contending for a playoff spot. Do we take a flyer on a guy who,at best,can play in 3 years and pass on a potential defensive rookie of the year candidate in Huff/Williams/Hawk who could help the Cards contend next year? I say that's an easy answer. NO.

Outside of the fact that both men have dark skin, your comparison is completely off the mark.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

C-Bus,

No one is "starting anything". Your comparison doesn't jive with the facts of Charlie Ward versus Vince Young.

However, I believe you are convinced it does and this conversation is relatively pointless since you are certain that Vince Young will fail at the NFL level.

Note: Rewrote this post

 

[TheCardFan]

Back when he was draft eligible was there a clamoring for the Cards to take Charlie Ward?

Charlie Ward? Please. You don't have to like V. Young but at least be realistic.

McNabb, McNair, and even Vick would be worth an argument.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

On a side note, I will be happy with whomever Dennis Green drafts since his picks have been very good as of late.

It doesn't matter if it is Young, Cutler, Huff, Williams, whomever...

I will let a player fail on the field before I make judgements about him.

 

[Duckjake]

You want a white QB he compares to-Steve Bellisari from OSU.

It's just as easy for me to claim that Jay Cutler is another Tim Couch. Both QB's from SEC schools whose programs are perennial losers and unnoticed outside the small hard core SEC fan base who became hot prospects during the media frenzy leading up to the draft.

Or Matt Leinart is another Ryan Leaf. Both QB's from PAC 10 schools where they haven't played defense in 50 years. Or Chris Simms. Both left handed QB's from big time programs who never won a BCS Championship game. Why waste a top pick and all that money when you can get a comparable starter in the 2nd or 3rd Round like Simms or Brees?

 

[TheCardFan]

It was based on both guys leading their team to the Nat'l championship playing a similar style of football.

I think a more interesting argument is the lack of success Natl Championship QB's have had in the NFL.

The game has evolved from the wishbone but you could probably count on one hand the QB's who have/had a National Championship Ring and a stellar NFL career.

* Very interesting...there are two Natl Champ QB's considered top 10 picks in this draft. Pretty sure that is a first.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

I watched a video of Vince Young and this is what I think.

Run, run, run.... If he runs as much as he did in the video he is going to get killed just like Vick does.

He looks like he has a lot of velocity on his throws

But another thing... all of you against taking Vernon Davis because of the arguement "VD will be taking away from Edge, Q, and Fritz" well then the same thing will be happening with VY.

 

[phillycard]

See, what are you basing that estimation of "upside" on? That's what I really don't get. What are people seeing in this guy that I'm just not? It has to be just that Mortenson/Kiper are talking him up.

The guy looks to me like the second-coming of Rob Johnson. No thanks.

Rob Johnson?? Are you kiddin Kerouac?? Say wahat you want about Vince not being your pick, but Rob didin't come close to the success that Vince had in college. Which is by the way why you draft a player in the first place. There are a score of great college players who did poorly on drills and such, but performed exceptionally on the field. I base why I want a player on on field performance, and from Vince's I think the Cards would be fools to pass him up.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Outside of the fact that both men have dark skin, your comparison is completely off the mark.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I watched a video of Vince Young and this is what I think.

Run, run, run.... If he runs as much as he did in the video he is going to get killed just like Vick does.

He looked likes he has a lot of velocity on his throws

But another thing... all of you against taking Vernon Davis because of the arguement "VD will be taking away from Edge, Q, and Fritz" well then the same thing will be happening with VY.

The reason Vick gets hurt so much is:

#1: He is small.
#2: He tries to do crazy highlight plays instead of simply sliding.

Culpepper was an effective scrambler because of his linebacker like size.

As far as Vernon Davis goes, I won't complain one bit if he is our selection. I am not particularly concerned about "stats" for our receivers, or any of our players for that matter.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Actually,

This entire comparison thing is really silly.

Vince Young is Vince Young. He is such an unusual talent (both in good and bad) that he is one of those players that is unlike anyone else we have really seen to this point.

He is someone who can eventually give your franchise a meteoric rise or he can be a complete waste of time and money. Rarely do you have a player who can so easily fall on either side of that equation.

This is what makes people nervous and excited about drafting him. He is unique and any comparison from Rob Johnson to McNabb really don't stand up to examination.

 

[kerouac9]

Rob Johnson?? Are you kiddin Kerouac?? Say wahat you want about Vince not being your pick, but Rob didin't come close to the success that Vince had in college. Which is by the way why you draft a player in the first place. There are a score of great college players who did poorly on drills and such, but performed exceptionally on the field. I base why I want a player on on field performance, and from Vince's I think the Cards would be fools to pass him up.

Jay Cutler is the guy I'm comparing to Rob Johnson. If you're going to jump into a conversation, at least know what it's about.

I like Vince Young. I just don't get what people see in Cutler.

 

[Billy Flynt]

He looks like he has a lot of velocity on his throws

That just means he'll hit the Safety in stride a lot quicker.

 

[phillycard]

Jay Cutler is the guy I'm comparing to Rob Johnson. If you're going to jump into a conversation, at least know what it's about.

I like Vince Young. I just don't get what people see in Cutler.

I got ya Kerouac. My bad, I didn't see the earlier reference to Cutler. And I do agree with that!! A slap with a wet trout for me.

 

[JC_AZ]

On a side note, I will be happy with whomever Dennis Green drafts since his picks have been very good as of late.

It doesn't matter if it is Young, Cutler, Huff, Williams, whomever...

I will let a player fail on the field before I make judgements about him.

Remember his last QB choice in the draft? He is the one player we all have the same fear of his playing time and KW's ability to stay healthy...just some perspective on his QB rotation over the last couple of years and how that has panned out so far...I do agree that MOST of his draft selections have been very good...just not sure I will give him a pass on what he has accomplished with his QB options to date...

 

[CardLogic]

You can say that again....

Oh, you did!

 

[TheCardFan]

Remember his last QB choice in the draft? He is the one player we all have the same fear of his playing time and KW's ability to stay healthy...just some perspective on his QB rotation over the last couple of years and how that has panned out so far...I do agree that MOST of his draft selections have been very good...just not sure I will give him a pass on what he has accomplished with his QB options to date...

I think Denny has done the best job of drafting in many many years. If you think he can coach or not, what would this team look like if he had been in charge of the draft since they arrived in AZ?

Anyway, I think you are talking about Navarre and you certainly can't judge him on a 7th rd pick, IMO.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

It would be silly to judge any drafting ability on 7th round picks.

 

[kerouac9]

It would be silly to judge any drafting ability on 7th round picks.

Or, really, a quarterback who has had less than 70 live-fire dropbacks in the National Football League.

 

[Redrage]

The thought of facing Young as an opponent scares me more than the prospect that he might be a bust,

On a side note, I remember watching FSU fight a losing battle to NC State several years ago. After the game I called my brother (Krang) and told him how much this one kid for FSU impressed me. How much I hated the fact that Anquan Boldin would be lining up against the Cardinals on Sunday because they'd be too stupid to take him.

When the Cards traded away the pick that would have been Suggs he became furious and claimed he'd never watch them again. A couple of hours later, they take Quan and we're all jumpng for joy.

Back to Suggs. He was a polarizing figure predraft. Looking back, who is happy that we traded that pick? If Young is there at 10 I hope they gamble on greatness and pull the trigger.

 

[WildBB]

The thought of facing Young as an opponent scares me more than the prospect that he might be a bust,

On a side note, I remember watching FSU fight a losing battle to NC State several years ago. After the game I called my brother (Krang) and told him how much this one kid for FSU impressed me. How much I hated the fact that Anquan Boldin would be lining up against the Cardinals on Sunday because they'd be too stupid to take him.

When the Cards traded away the pick that would have been Suggs he became furious and claimed he'd never watch them again. A couple of hours later, they take Quan and we're all jumpng for joy.

Back to Suggs. He was a polarizing figure predraft. Looking back, who is happy that we traded that pick? If Young is there at 10 I hope they gamble on greatness and pull the trigger.

They'll pick him up at the airport.