A Writer Who Covers the Bills - Trade Idea

[jefftheshark]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=citadel-2_349908_126&prov=citadel&type=lgns

This guy stole Red Desert's idea (Shelton for Henry) - Sounds good to me.

The Shark

 

[Pariah]

It could go down as the most fair trade in the history of the league.

 

[Skkorpion]

Won't fly. Starting LTs are worth more than second tier starting RBs. I'd rather do draft picks.

Henry is worth a 3rd rounder. Shelton, a low 1st rounder.

 

[EndZone]

Won't fly. Starting LTs are worth more than second tier starting RBs. I'd rather do draft picks.

Henry is worth a 3rd rounder. Shelton, a low 1st rounder.

So how about Shelton, for Henry and a 3rd?

 

[jefftheshark]

Won't fly. Starting LTs are worth more than second tier starting RBs. I'd rather do draft picks.

Henry is worth a 3rd rounder. Shelton, a low 1st rounder.

That was my first thought too, however, I wonder if DG hasn't hurt L J's trade value with the benching and subsequent lack of interest in keeping him happy. This trade could still make sense with the addition of lower round pick(s) from the Bills (either 2005 or later years and/or conditional picks)

Of course I'm not a GM, I just play one on TV.

The Shark

 

[Pariah]

Henry is worth a 3rd rounder. Shelton, a low 1st rounder.

There's no way we get a first rounder for Shelton, nor do I think he's worth that. I think these guys are probably both of equal value.

 

[slinslin]

Henry hardly played at all last season.

If he isn't good enough to start for the Bills why should the Cards look at him as their starter?

Henry is also small at just 5'9. Henry got picked late in the 2nd round and hardly played last season. I wouldn't give up an early third round pick for Henry.

 

[Redsz]

Henry was good enough to start for the Bills. He rushed for 1300 and 1400 yds behind a very poor o-line in Buffalo.

There was also more going on than McGahee being 'better' than Henry.

It's kind of hard to run hard and with passion (which Henry is all about) for a team when they draft a RB in the first round for no aparent reason.

 

[Skkorpion]

There's no way we get a first rounder for Shelton, nor do I think he's worth that. I think these guys are probably both of equal value.

So noted and filed away for future use in message board ridicule.

 

[jefftheshark]

T. Henry:

1438 yards rushing in 2002 w/ 13 TD's, 1356 yards in '03 w/ 10 TD's.

Last year he was beat out by first round draft pick Willis McGahee, similar to Shelton's being displaced by the second overall pick of a couple of seasons ago.

Only last week we were discussing Emmitt's 900+ yards as being the best Cardinal's rushing production since A. Murrell in the late ninties.

That's why some might be interested in Travis Henry.

The Shark

 

[Pariah]

So noted and filed away for future use in message board ridicule.

I know you just upgraded the server, but if you're saving everything that I should/could be ridiculed for, you might think about upgrading again.

 

[Rats]

So noted and filed away for future use in message board ridicule.

You can ridicule me to as well Skorp...there is no way LJ is worth a low 1st rd pick and Henry is only worth a 3rd. They are about equal in trade value. 3rd rd level.

 

[gamebird98]

If LJ has 1st round value.......why are we tradeing him

 

[Ryanwb]

I like LJ Shelton, I think he is solid. I don't like Leonard Davis, he has a piss poor work ethic and hasn't even come close to realizing his potential and at this point probably never will

 

[spanky1]

So it's on to trading is it.....I have a great set of ideas!

I don't want Travis Henry under any scenario. We can pick up Ciatric Fason with our #44. He the second coming of LaDanian Tomlinson.......but think of these options:

#1 Trade Anquan Boldin to Baltimore for their 1st rounder (#22) overall. They need a WR big time and Boldin comes a hell of a lot cheaper than Randy Moss. We eliminate the sure fire problems of Boldin's likely protracted contract negotiation and in having two similar styles of WR on the field at the same time. We now have the #8 and the #22 picks in round #1.

#2 Trade LJ Shelton to Cleveland for their 2nd round pick (#35). Cleveland need an OT big time and they would not find anyone as good as LJ in the 2nd round. We now have the #35 and the #44 picks in round #2.

#3 Trade Ray Thompson to Kansaas City for their 3rd round pick which is #79 overall. Outside of a CB, KC's biggest need id for a OLB. Thompson is better than anyone they could pick up with this pick. We now have the #75 and the #79 in the 3rd round.

Each of these players are currently signed to very cap friendly contracts that have lots of life left in them. This makes these trades very attractive to these respective teams.

In summary, we now would have the #8 and the #22 in the 1st; the #35 and the #44 in the 2nd and the #75 and the #79 in the 3rd. We've gone from 3 picks in the 1st three rounds to having 6. We've eliminated one potential problem in Boldin and cleaned out player's who Green doesn't like.

At #8, we take Heath Miller (TE). He replaces Freddie Jones who doesn't deserve to be resigned to a bloated extention. At #22 we take Daryl Blackstock as our new W/OLB. Darling starts the season at W/OLB and has value as a back up MLB to Gerald Hayes. Blackstock eases into the starting line up a la Dansby last year.

At # 35, we take Mark Clayton as a replacement to Boldin. Bryant Johnson moves to split end to replace Anquan; Fitz stays in the slot and Clayton becomes our new deep threat. He has speed to burn. With the #44, we take Ciatric Fason.

At #75, we grab James Butler as our next FS.........and at #79 it is a slam dunk.......Luis Castillo.....our run stopping DT.

And I've only had three glasses of scotch and one of them darn British Columbia stoggies......wait till I over load and talk about what really is likely to happen as we get closer to the FA signing and Draft period.

 

[jefftheshark]

Wow, I want what Spanky’s drinking! That’s more wheelin’ and dealin’ than Donald Trump does in a busy year.

But seriously, why don’t you like Henry? He seems to be just what we need, while not taking a chance on an untested (at least by NFL standards) draft pick.

Thanks, I’ll hang up and listen to your answer.

The Shark

 

[JasonKGME]

Any talk of trading Boldin will immediatly be responded too with a fish slap from here on out!






However on the Shelton/Henry deal I wouldnt mind the trade with a pickup of a conditional draft pick depending on how both players do on thier respective teams. I.E. If Shelton sucks and Henry rocks we get a 7th rounder, if Henry sucks and Shelton rocks, we get a 3rd rounder, if it turns out they both rock or suck or about average we get a 5th rounder.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I don't want Travis Henry under any scenario. We can pick up Ciatric Fason with our #44. He the second coming of LaDanian Tomlinson.......but think of these options:

#1 Trade Anquan Boldin to Baltimore for their 1st rounder (#22) overall. They need a WR big time and Boldin comes a hell of a lot cheaper than Randy Moss. We eliminate the sure fire problems of Boldin's likely protracted contract negotiation and in having two similar styles of WR on the field at the same time. We now have the #8 and the #22 picks in round #1.

#2 Trade LJ Shelton to Cleveland for their 2nd round pick (#35). Cleveland need an OT big time and they would not find anyone as good as LJ in the 2nd round. We now have the #35 and the #44 picks in round #2.

#3 Trade Ray Thompson to Kansaas City for their 3rd round pick which is #79 overall. Outside of a CB, KC's biggest need id for a OLB. Thompson is better than anyone they could pick up with this pick. We now have the #75 and the #79 in the 3rd round.

Each of these players are currently signed to very cap friendly contracts that have lots of life left in them. This makes these trades very attractive to these respective teams.

In summary, we now would have the #8 and the #22 in the 1st; the #35 and the #44 in the 2nd and the #75 and the #79 in the 3rd. We've gone from 3 picks in the 1st three rounds to having 6. We've eliminated one potential problem in Boldin and cleaned out player's who Green doesn't like.

At #8, we take Heath Miller (TE). He replaces Freddie Jones who doesn't deserve to be resigned to a bloated extention. At #22 we take Daryl Blackstock as our new W/OLB. Darling starts the season at W/OLB and has value as a back up MLB to Gerald Hayes. Blackstock eases into the starting line up a la Dansby last year.

At # 35, we take Mark Clayton as a replacement to Boldin. Bryant Johnson moves to split end to replace Anquan; Fitz stays in the slot and Clayton becomes our new deep threat. He has speed to burn. With the #44, we take Ciatric Fason.

At #75, we grab James Butler as our next FS.........and at #79 it is a slam dunk.......Luis Castillo.....our run stopping DT.

And I've only had three glasses of scotch and one of them darn British Columbia stoggies......wait till I over load and talk about what really is likely to happen as we get closer to the FA signing and Draft period.

BC Stoggies! I thought that they and Cuban cigars were outlawed south of the 49th.

The scenario is a touch too complcated for me.

For whatever the reasons. LJ's relationship with the Cards is largely fractured... and much the same may be said for Henry and the Bills.

I'd take the trade 1 for 1... and move on.

If the Cards believe it has to be sweetened a touch, we can take the Bills sixth round pick to replace the one we traded to the Raiders.

 

[spanky1]

Wow, I want what Spanky’s drinking! That’s more wheelin’ and dealin’ than Donald Trump does in a busy year.

But seriously, why don’t you like Henry? He seems to be just what we need, while not taking a chance on an untested (at least by NFL standards) draft pick.

Thanks, I’ll hang up and listen to your answer.

The Shark

I want to grow our own RB......Henry is solid but has three years of wear on his tires.....Shelton is worth more to us than Henry is. Henry's on the smallish side.

It's not that I don't like Henry.......but!

 

[spanky1]

BC Stoggies! I thought that they and Cuban cigars were outlawed south of the 49th.

The scenario is a touch too complcated for me.

For whatever the reasons. LJ's relationship with the Cards is largely fractured... and much the same may be said for Henry and the Bills.

I'd take the trade 1 for 1... and move on.

If the Cards believe it has to be sweetened a touch, we can take the Bills sixth round pick to replace the one we traded to the Raiders.

Indeed they are.....but as Americans can still get to Cuba (if they fly in from either Mexico or Canada) so are there ways to make the other transactions happen.

 

[Redsz]

Waiting until the 2nd round and hoping that a quality RB is there scares the crap out of me. We can't gamble like that.

 

[Renz]

Waiting until the 2nd round and hoping that a quality RB is there scares the crap out of me. We can't gamble like that.

What scares me is using a first round pick on a Thomas Jones/Curtis Enis/Ki-Jana Carter/Rashaan Salaam.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't want Travis Henry under any scenario. We can pick up Ciatric Fason with our #44. He the second coming of LaDanian Tomlinson.......but think of these options:

#1 Trade Anquan Boldin to Baltimore for their 1st rounder (#22) overall. They need a WR big time and Boldin comes a hell of a lot cheaper than Randy Moss. We eliminate the sure fire problems of Boldin's likely protracted contract negotiation and in having two similar styles of WR on the field at the same time. We now have the #8 and the #22 picks in round #1.

#2 Trade LJ Shelton to Cleveland for their 2nd round pick (#35). Cleveland need an OT big time and they would not find anyone as good as LJ in the 2nd round. We now have the #35 and the #44 picks in round #2.

#3 Trade Ray Thompson to Kansaas City for their 3rd round pick which is #79 overall. Outside of a CB, KC's biggest need id for a OLB. Thompson is better than anyone they could pick up with this pick. We now have the #75 and the #79 in the 3rd round.

Each of these players are currently signed to very cap friendly contracts that have lots of life left in them. This makes these trades very attractive to these respective teams.

In summary, we now would have the #8 and the #22 in the 1st; the #35 and the #44 in the 2nd and the #75 and the #79 in the 3rd. We've gone from 3 picks in the 1st three rounds to having 6. We've eliminated one potential problem in Boldin and cleaned out player's who Green doesn't like.

At #8, we take Heath Miller (TE). He replaces Freddie Jones who doesn't deserve to be resigned to a bloated extention. At #22 we take Daryl Blackstock as our new W/OLB. Darling starts the season at W/OLB and has value as a back up MLB to Gerald Hayes. Blackstock eases into the starting line up a la Dansby last year.

At # 35, we take Mark Clayton as a replacement to Boldin. Bryant Johnson moves to split end to replace Anquan; Fitz stays in the slot and Clayton becomes our new deep threat. He has speed to burn. With the #44, we take Ciatric Fason.

At #75, we grab James Butler as our next FS.........and at #79 it is a slam dunk.......Luis Castillo.....our run stopping DT.

And I've only had three glasses of scotch and one of them darn British Columbia stoggies......wait till I over load and talk about what really is likely to happen as we get closer to the FA signing and Draft period.

Fun, but why in the name of all that's Green would a team stockpile picks in a weak draft? the year to do that was last year and Green didn't, largely because he wanted Fitz, I just don't see the lure of trading for a bunch picks in a weak draft.

I think Clayton will be gone by pick 20 and I seriously doubt Butler is there at 79 but I do like some of your picks.

Why would Cleveland gives us a #2 pick for a guy who doesn't want to be here? They have the leverage not us, Henry makes more sense because like LJ he wants out, I don't like Henry much either but at least I can see that trade actually happening.

KC won't give up a 3 for Ray again they know we don't want the guy.

I can see the Ravens wanting Q but they'd have to agree to a contract before they would make the deal and quite frankly if it gets to that we ought to just let him reach a deal with someone else and then just offer to match it to keep him. If we make that deal and we're lucky, we might get Clayton at 22, more likely we're looking at Troy Williamson with Clayton gone, anybody really want to trade Quan for Williamson, or Blackstock for that matter?

 

[artp]

BC Stoggies! I thought that they and Cuban cigars were outlawed south of the 49th.

The scenario is a touch too complcated for me.

For whatever the reasons. LJ's relationship with the Cards is largely fractured... and much the same may be said for Henry and the Bills.

I'd take the trade 1 for 1... and move on.

If the Cards believe it has to be sweetened a touch, we can take the Bills sixth round pick to replace the one we traded to the Raiders.

Exactly!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Any talk of trading Boldin will immediatly be responded too with a fish slap from here on out!






However on the Shelton/Henry deal I wouldnt mind the trade with a pickup of a conditional draft pick depending on how both players do on thier respective teams. I.E. If Shelton sucks and Henry rocks we get a 7th rounder, if Henry sucks and Shelton rocks, we get a 3rd rounder, if it turns out they both rock or suck or about average we get a 5th rounder.

...I agree definately deserves a