Adding two teams to playoffs

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Jurecki just tweeted that the NFL is considering the addition of one team from each of the conferences to the playoff mix. I think it's a great idea and not just because it benefits tough divisions like the NFC West.

For one, it reduces the number of byes to one per conference. For another, it gives more fans a real rooting interest in the playoffs. Besides it's not that difficult to schedule six games on the first weekend of the playoffs, 3 on Saturday and 3 on Sunday. I'm sure the networks would be delighted.
 

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against it just like the 18 game season.

the more you add, the less deperation in each game during the season.
 

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I like it and I LOVE THE 18 GAME SCHEDULE CONCEPT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One less preseason game to pay full price for.

More NFL is better
 
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against it just like the 18 game season.

the more you add, the less deperation in each game during the season.

I dunno, you're still competing for seeding and home field advantage. And it should make the final weekend of the season even more exciting for more fans because more teams will have a chance.
 

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Or it adds another round with the 'bottom 2' fighting it out for 1 spot.

Which would also coincide with the week of football the pro bowl is currently played. I.E. replacing it.
 

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against it just like the 18 game season.

the more you add, the less deperation in each game during the season.

I'm for it. You can't keep adding playoff teams without devaluing the product but I don't think it's reached that level. The 18 game schedule is a real problem though. They need to find a way to reduce the physical wear and tear on these guys, not increase it. Maybe they'll get smart and go for something like a 26 game season (no byes, no preseason games). Increase the roster to a 110 and restrict each player to no more than 13 games per season.

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Against it, just like I'm against giving ribbons to everyone on my son's soccer team and calling them winners when they just got ass-beat. The more teams that get in the less special it is. Already I can say some bad teams make it in and go out in the first round like a puff of nothingness.
 

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I dunno, you're still competing for seeding and home field advantage. And it should make the final weekend of the season even more exciting for more fans because more teams will have a chance.

Football is the #1 sport because of the scarcity of success. If you have too many games, noone watches until the playoffs IE MLB, NBA and NHL.


Against it, just like I'm against giving ribbons to everyone on my son's soccer team and calling them winners when they just got ass-beat. The more teams that get in the less special it is. Already I can say some bad teams make it in and go out in the first round like a puff of nothingness.

This too, weve already had 7-9 teams make it before. I guess this wont go with that as a wild card is typically going to have a decent record.

Also, just two teams or two teams per division? Adding one team to the NFC playoff mix wouldnt work unless you take away the 2 seeds bye week. .
 

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This is a very bad idea. Currently 12 of 32 make it, roughly 40% of the league which is allot. Baseball really makes you earn the post season. I love the Darksides comment because it is so true.
 

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It creates too much chance that a 8-8 or 7-9 team makes the playoffs.

In the AFC, an 8-8 team (Pittsburgh) would have made it under this format.
Last year in the NFC, one of the 4 teams that went 8-8 would have made it (most likely Chicago).

Maybe if the NFL expands someday so there's more teams, it will make more sense.
 

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I like it and I LOVE THE 18 GAME SCHEDULE CONCEPT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One less preseason game to pay full price for.

More NFL is better

Or, we could just have the best of both worlds and just eliminate 2 preseason (1 home and 1 away) games altogether and not add any to the regular season (watering down the level of competition). That's just too easy for the NFL to do, so it will never happen, because they're never going to cut into their own revenue by removing games entirely. The compromise they have come up with is the 18-game schedule which preserves their ticket revenue and tosses season-ticket holders a bone by making one of those extra games they are forced to purchase a meaningful one.

Of course, I am against 14 teams in the playoffs for the same reason - you're watering down the level of competition during the season - more spots to grab and more games to get your butt in gear to do it.

That said, here are some pros and cons of the 14-team playoff format I've come up with:

PROS:
-Increased suspense and "who's gonna be Cinderella?"-factor. As emphasized by the recent failure of #1 seeds, and the success of teams like the Giants, 08 Cardinals, 05 Steelers and other non-dominant regular season teams in the playoffs. A larger field would allow for more under-the-radar teams and teams that are peaking at the right time (i.e. Teams like the 09 Titans or even the 2011 Cardinals that were kept out by abysmal starts, and then went on a tear) to get in while they're hot and create for more exciting match-ups.

-More football. There'd have to be at least one additional game played per conference, meaning at least 2 more win-or-go-home exciting playoff match-ups between the best teams in the league.

CONS:
-A watered-down field of teams with an increased likelihood of 8-8 (or 9-9? :D ) and 7-9 teams. While some of these teams may be "hot" and deserving of a playoff spot after bad starts, there's also the potential for more clunkers, rendering some of those extra "exciting playoff match-ups" moot.

-Nearly half the league qualifying. 14 out of thirty-two teams would mean that anyone one spot better than end of the top half of the conference standings (the team with the 7th best record out of 16) would qualify for the playoffs. This is potentially underattractive, as it diminishes the accomplishment of making it into the playoffs when all you have to do is basically just not finish in the bottom half.

-More football. An argument with the same crux as my argument against an 18-game schedule. It'd make regular season games slightly less meaningful, as more teams could simply settle for qualifying and even increase the opportunity for more home playoff games at some point during the playoffs for teams that didn't even win their division (although these would likely be against other wild cards). It'd be a little more like the NBA, where losing streaks would mean less, and there'd be more emphasis on merely playing well enough to qualify, and then have the real games begin in January. No one wants to see fewer high-stakes games from September to December for the sake of 2 more in January.
 

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No coincidence IMO that this idea comes out in a year where the Cowboys, Giants and Steelers all miss the playoffs. The Rooney's, Mara's and Jones's have a ton of pull in the NFL.
 
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Or, we could just have the best of both worlds and just eliminate 2 preseason (1 home and 1 away) games altogether and not add any to the regular season (watering down the level of competition). That's just too easy for the NFL to do, so it will never happen, because they're never going to cut into their own revenue by removing games entirely. The compromise they have come up with is the 18-game schedule which preserves their ticket revenue and tosses season-ticket holders a bone by making one of those extra games they are forced to purchase a meaningful one.

Of course, I am against 14 teams in the playoffs for the same reason - you're watering down the level of competition during the season - more spots to grab and more games to get your butt in gear to do it.

That said, here are some pros and cons of the 14-team playoff format I've come up with:

PROS:
-Increased suspense and "who's gonna be Cinderella?"-factor. As emphasized by the recent failure of #1 seeds, and the success of teams like the Giants, 08 Cardinals, 05 Steelers and other non-dominant regular season teams in the playoffs. A larger field would allow for more under-the-radar teams and teams that are peaking at the right time (i.e. Teams like the 09 Titans or even the 2011 Cardinals that were kept out by abysmal starts, and then went on a tear) to get in while they're hot and create for more exciting match-ups.

-More football. There'd have to be at least one additional game played per conference, meaning at least 2 more win-or-go-home exciting playoff match-ups between the best teams in the league.

CONS:
-A watered-down field of teams with an increased likelihood of 8-8 (or 9-9? :D ) and 7-9 teams. While some of these teams may be "hot" and deserving of a playoff spot after bad starts, there's also the potential for more clunkers, rendering some of those extra "exciting playoff match-ups" moot.

-Nearly half the league qualifying. 14 out of thirty-two teams would mean that anyone one spot better than end of the top half of the conference standings (the team with the 7th best record out of 16) would qualify for the playoffs. This is potentially underattractive, as it diminishes the accomplishment of making it into the playoffs when all you have to do is basically just not finish in the bottom half.

-More football. An argument with the same crux as my argument against an 18-game schedule. It'd make regular season games slightly less meaningful, as more teams could simply settle for qualifying and even increase the opportunity for more home playoff games at some point during the playoffs for teams that didn't even win their division (although these would likely be against other wild cards). It'd be a little more like the NBA, where losing streaks would mean less, and there'd be more emphasis on merely playing well enough to qualify, and then have the real games begin in January. No one wants to see fewer high-stakes games from September to December for the sake of 2 more in January.

But there's also the chance of one of those two added games being one of the best of the weekend.

I don't like the 18-game schedule, but I do like giving an additional two teams a chance to compete at season's end. What I really like is the opportunity for teams that get off to rocky starts and that catch fire at mid-season a greater chance at the post-season, e.g. like the Saints this past season and the Cardinals two years ago. If you have a critical player get hurt and miss the first half of the season, all is NOT lost because you have a decent chance of getting hot and making the playoffs. It is ONE additional game for four teams and I assume the players would be for it, since some of the revenue would undoubtedly flow to them.

What I really don't like is four teams getting a pass the first weekend of the playoffs. You don't get that in most other sports. Why should you get it in the NFL?
 
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No coincidence IMO that this idea comes out in a year where the Cowboys, Giants and Steelers all miss the playoffs. The Rooney's, Mara's and Jones's have a ton of pull in the NFL.

Also two other large market teams, the Bears and Jets.
 

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Also, just two teams or two teams per division? Adding one team to the NFC playoff mix wouldnt work unless you take away the 2 seeds bye week. .
It could certainly work. There would be several options. One would be the MLB route, which would be to add the additional wild card team by way of a play-in game, in which case, this year's NFC playoffs would have looked like this: BYES: (1) ATL (2) SF Wild-Card Round hosts: (3) GB (4) SEA Wild-cards (non-division winners): (5) WAS (6) MIN (7) CHI plays @ (6) MIN the week before the "wild card round" AFC play-in game would have been (7) PIT @ (6) CIN. So, as you can, see an increased chance for divisional re-matches in the playoffs, although it wouldn't always shake out that way. Another option would be to only give the top seed a bye. It would work like this: First weekend: (7) CHI @ (5) WAS, (6) MIN @ (5) SEA Second weekend [presumed winners, continuing with lowest seed plays highest seed formula]: (6) MIN @ (2) SF, (5) WAS @ (3) GB Third Weekend: (3) GB @ (1) ATL, (2) SF has bye Fourth weekend: (2) SF @ (1) ATL or (3) GB @ (2) SF So it'd be a little weird, but it's possible. I agree, for purposes of symmetry at least, 8 teams per conference would be better: you could eliminate byes altogether and have 4 matchups per conference resulting in: First weekend: (8) NYG @ (1) ATL, (7) CHI @ (2) SF, (6) MIN @ (3) GB, (5) SEA @ (4) WAS AFC: (8) SD @ (1) DEN, (7) PIT @ (2) NE, (6) CIN @ (3) HOU, (5) IND @ (4) BAL However, you see two problems with that right off the bat: the first two NFC matchups would be re-matches of blowout victories by the higher seeds from the regular season. That wouldn't necessarily happen again, but it allows you to see why a lot of people don't like the idea of expanding the playoffs. Also, we get treated to a first round AFC matchup of 7-9 San Diego (who ended up firing their coach before almost a full 2 weeks before DEN played their first playoff game this year!) versus the 11-game win streaking Broncos. Yawn. It would make for an interesting and tangled mess of "who hosts who next week?"; without the playoff byes. It's possible the top 4 seeds could all lose, and the divisional round we'd all be treated to would be: (8) NYG @ (5) SEA, (7) CHI @ (6) MIN and (8) SD @ (5) IND, (7) PIT @ (6) CIN No division winners in sight. Not likely, but yechh, just based on the quality of those teams this year. And finally, there's the problem of packing 8 meaningful football games into one weekend that you expect everyone to watch. That's "watering-down" right there. So if the NFL made it an 18-game schedule and expanded the the playoffs by 1 team per conference, we could potentially have 3 more weeks of regular season and/or playoff football.
 
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I apologize for the spacing on the above post. I keep editing it, but it won't let me space things and break it up into paragraphs!
 

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