Adrian Wilson

[B-Dogg]

KDUS, was just saying that Wilson was committed to moving to the corner position and was going to be in town and Thursday to start working out and losing weight... which leads me to believe that Sean Taylor is the pick... or they may trade down and draft Roy Williams....

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by B-Dogg
KDUS, was just saying that Wilson was committed to moving to the corner position and was going to be in town and Thursday to start working out and losing weight... which leads me to believe that Sean Taylor is the pick... or they may trade down and draft Roy Williams....

As a starting nickel back CB?

 

[Pariah]

Re: Re: Adrian Wilson

Originally posted by azdad1978
As a starting nickel back CB?

Starting Nickelback? Isn't that an oxymoron?

 

[FrontRow]

That tells me that David Barrett will not be tendered.

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by FrontRow
That tells me that David Barrett will not be tendered.

Barrett would be a good CB If he's in a Cover 2 scheme.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by azdad1978
Barrett would be a good CB If he's in a Cover 2 scheme.

I agree, but that's not what we're going to run. This was one of the reasons that I wanted Lovie Smith to be a candidate for the Cards. We have all the personnel to run a Cover-2. Adrian Wilson would be a very good (Pro-Bowl-Cliber) Cover-2 strong safety.

 

[B-Dogg]

I think if Taylor is the pick then we run a defense similar to what the Rams ran last year with Taylor playing a safety/linebacker position like Archulleta... lots of blitzing from the safety position... Taylor would give Green alot of flexability with his D and the schemes and coverages he would run...

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by B-Dogg
I think if Taylor is the pick then we run a defense similar to what the Rams ran last year with Taylor playing a safety/linebacker position like Archulleta... lots of blitzing from the safety position... Taylor would give Green alot of flexability with his D and the schemes and coverages he would run...

That would only work if we have an edge rusher like Little and Winstrom on this team.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by B-Dogg
I think if Taylor is the pick then we run a defense similar to what the Rams ran last year with Taylor playing a safety/linebacker position like Archulleta... lots of blitzing from the safety position... Taylor would give Green alot of flexability with his D and the schemes and coverages he would run...

That's how we should have been using Wilson last year. I'd guess that we'd use Taylor more like a playmaker in the mold of Roy Williams in Dallas, only better. Or Brian Dawkins in Philly.

The problem with Archuleta is that he can blitz and play the run, but not cover. That's why they have to use him as they do. Sean Taylor can cover, and do it well, so I expect him to be used in a much more dynamic way.

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by kerouac9
That's how we should have been using Wilson last year. I'd guess that we'd use Taylor more like a playmaker in the mold of Roy Williams in Dallas, only better. Or Brian Dawkins in Philly.

The problem with Archuleta is that he can blitz and play the run, but not cover. That's why they have to use him as they do. Sean Taylor can cover, and do it well, so I expect him to be used in a much more dynamic way.

Taylor can cover but we still need to have a pass rush or his cover skills won't do us good if he has to cover someone for 6 seconds.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by azdad1978
Taylor can cover but we still need to have a pass rush or his cover skills won't do us good if he has to cover someone for 6 seconds.

I totally agree. I'm just saying that they use Archie in STL as a hybrid because he can't play safety. Taylor, like Dawkins and Williams, can play safety, so you don't need to pigeonhole him into that Archuleta role.

I agree that we need a pass-rush, and a dynamic one, to highlight the coverage abilities of all the players in our secondary.

 

[B-Dogg]

Dont get me wrong I wasnt pigeonholing Taylor in an Archuletta position as he is already a better player than Archie, but he has the ability to do some of the similar things plus more. IMO he would be the best safety in the league along with Roy Willimas in the first year...

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by B-Dogg
Dont get me wrong I wasnt pigeonholing Taylor in an Archuletta position as he is already a better player than Archie, but he has the ability to do some of the similar things plus more. IMO he would be the best safety in the league along with Roy Willimas in the first year...

Taylor would be an ok safety without a passrush.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by azdad1978
Taylor would be an ok safety without a passrush.

Heck, he was an outstanding safety last season without a pass rush in Miami.

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Heck, he was an outstanding safety last season without a pass rush in Miami.

True but he's not going to see a Temple or Rutgers in our schedule.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Heck, he was an outstanding safety last season without a pass rush in Miami.

Yeah but like I stated before. Miami knew what they had and schemed for him. He blitzed a lot, he was matched up in one-on-one coverage a lot.

I think he is a great talent, but it takes more than that for a Safety to have an impact.

If Pendergrass uses Taylor in a Roy Williams mold (blitzing, man-on-man coverage, playing at LB depth against the run) then yeah, Taylor could be a great one. But none of us know a thing about Pendergrass and what type of Defense he is going to run!
It is just hard for me to justify a Safety pick at #3 when we dont know how he will be used....

But I am starting to warm to it.....maybe only b/c I dont think this team needs another young wr and apparently they arent taking a QB. but Taylor might be the man come draft day.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK

If Pendergrass uses Taylor in a Roy Williams mold (blitzing, man-on-man coverage, playing at LB depth against the run) then yeah, Taylor could be a great one. But none of us know a thing about Pendergrass and what type of Defense he is going to run!

If we can sit here and tell from a distance the best manner in which to use Taylor, I'm certain a defensive coordinator could, too.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Originally posted by Pariah
If we can sit here and tell from a distance the best manner in which to use Taylor, I'm certain a defensive coordinator could, too.

Last years DC(Marmie) wouldn't know it. If Wilson can make the transition he'd be an awful big CB to match up against the bigger WR's in the league.

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by Cbus cardsfan
Last years DC(Marmie) wouldn't know it. If Wilson can make the transition he'd be an awful big CB to match up against the bigger WR's in the league. [/QUOTE


But the thing is with Wilson is he can be a good CB if he is used like Rumph (whiners).

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by azdad1978
But the thing is with Wilson is he can be a good CB if he is used like Rumph (whiners).

I'd argue that Rumph isn't a particularly good corner, either, though. That being said, we didn't burn a #1 on Rumph. The risk with Wilson is far lower.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by Pariah
If we can sit here and tell from a distance the best manner in which to use Taylor, I'm certain a defensive coordinator could, too.

I dont know the best manner in which to use Taylor. It all kinda has to fit into the scheme of the defense and I have no earthly idea what Pendergrass is going to run. I assume a 4-3 if he is a Davis/Campo guy, but beyond that I am not sure.

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I'd argue that Rumph isn't a particularly good corner, either, though. That being said, we didn't burn a #1 on Rumph. The risk with Wilson is far lower.

True but Rumph is a what dime and nickle CB? Unless Wilson shows improved flexibility on his hips I don't think he can turn and stay with a WR.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by azdad1978
True but Rumph is a what dime and nickle CB? Unless Wilson shows imporved flexibility on his hips I don't think he turn and stay with a WR.

I believe he started this season after being every offenses' favorite target as a rookie.

 

[azdad1978]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I believe he started this season after being every offenses' favorite target as a rookie.

True.

 

[spanky1]

Question...... is it realistic that Wilson could make the transition to CB? Yes he has the size to match up with the big WR's that are de rigeur these days, but is he fluid enough and fast enough to be a tier #1 CB?

If the answer is yes.....by all means draft Taylor.....if the answer is maybe.....well, I'm tired of these attempts to turn someone into something they're not (can anyone say Michael Stone).