After 10 Games---Cardinals' PFF Grades

[Mitch]

Above Average Ratings in Bold Green
Average Rating in Bold Orange
Below Average/Poor Ratings in Bold Red

75.7 QB Palmer (#22 QB)
57.7 QB Stanton (#36 QB)
68.3 QB Gabbert

83.8 WR Fitzgerald (#9 WR)
67.1 WR Jaron Brown (#66 WR)
49.2 WR J.J. Nelson (#90 WR)
59.3 WR John Brown (#73 WR)

47.0 RB Adrian Peterson (#52 RB)
69.5 RB D.J. Foster

48.6 TE Gresham (#46 TE)
41.6 TE Niklas (#65 TE)
78.4 TE Seals-Jones

76.1 T Humphries (#24 T)
55.7 T Veldheer (#52 T)
37.7 T Wetzel

38.4 G Boone (#72 G)
35.9 G Watford (#75 G)

65.4 C Shipley (#18 C)

81.7 CB Peterson (#25 CB)
84.3 CB T. Williams (#16 CB)
49.3 CB Bethel (#100 CB)

75.5 S Mathieu (#58 S)
81.6 S Bethea (#25 S)
88.5 S Branch (#6 S)
81.7 S Baker

43.7 LB Dansby (#65 LB)
33.7 LB Bucannon (#86 LB)

68.5 DT Rucker (#86 DT)
80.1 DT Peters (#45 DT)
45.3 DT Mauro (#109 DT)
68.8 DT Gunter (#87 DT)
81.3 DT X. Williams (#37 DT)
73.3 DT Nkemdiche
80.4 DT Pierre (#44 DT)

50.5 Edge Reddick (#93 Edge)
83.1 Edge Jones (#23 Edge)
73.5 Edge Martin (#65 Edge)



No Cardinals rated in the "High Quality" of "Elite" Categories, the two levels atop "Above Average"

Above Average Ratings:

WR Fitzgerald
CB Peterson
CB T. Williams
S Branch
S Bethea
S Baker
DT Peters
DT X. Williams
DT Pierre
Edge Jones

Average Ratings:

QB Palmer
TE Seals-Jones
T Humphries
S Mathieu
DT Nkemdiche
Edge Martin

What the PFF Ratings Likely Indicate:

* Offense is well below average (only one player with above average rating)
* Defense is above average individually, so why then isn't it playing much better?
(below average team play)

Position Strengths:

DT
CB
S

Position Weaknesses:

RB
WR
TE
T
G
C
ILB

Average Positions:

QB
Edge

Note: Two of the worst rated groups for the Cardinals: G and ILB---so many games hinge on being strong and tough up the middle.

Special Teams (my own assessments) Strengths

Punter

Special Teams Weaknesses

Kicker
Long Snapper
Punt Returns
Punt Coverage

Was this wasting everyone's time? Or, did you find this informative?

Happy Thanksgiving ASFN, to all of you and your families on this holiday,

Mitch

 

[cardncubfan]

What PFF likely indicates is they don't know what they are doing when they have PP as the #25 CB.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Yeah don't see how PP could possibly be rated 25th. He's consistently one of the top CB's in the league when it comes to completion %, QB Rating, Catch Rate, and he's almost always covering the other teams #1 and shuts them down. He won't get the PD's and INT's like some other CB's, simply because QB's don't throw his way very often.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I tell you what the overall verdict is, though the Patrick Peterson rating is hilarious because most in the league would have him as their number one given the chance acquire him... Bettcher sucks sucks sucks!

 

[RON_IN_OC]

What has DJ Foster done to even deserve a rating? hahahahaha

 

[Mitch]

I tell you what the overall verdict is, though the Patrick Peterson rating is hilarious because most in the league would have him as their number one given the chance the acquire him... Bettcher sucks sucks sucks!

If Bettcher would play man more exclusively PP's ranking would be much higher.

 

[Mitch]

What has DJ Foster done to even deserve a rating? hahahahaha

Haha! One game ranking. Thought I'd toss that in there.

 

[pemory09]

Many thanks Mitch! Super informative!!

 

[vince56]

If Bettcher would play man more exclusively PP's ranking would be much higher.

Have you seen Mathieu play man this year? Simply terrible.

 

[WildBB]

Happy Thanksgiving Mitch. Thanks for your dedication to everything in Cardinals Bird Gang Land, and your insights thereof.

 

[Mitch]

Happy Thanksgiving Mitch. Thanks for your dedication to everything in Cardinals Bird Gang Land, and your insights thereof.

Thank YOU, WildBB and pemory09. I always appreciate your posts. You are great Birdgangers.

 

[SeattleCard]

Thanks Mitch for the rundown!

We stink.

 

[Mitch]

Thanks Mitch for the rundown!

We stink.

SeattleCard---the talent is there, the coaching and the culture aren't.

 

[DVontel]

SeattleCard---the talent is there, the coaching and the culture aren't.

The talent isn’t there, either.

 

[Mitch]

The talent isn’t there, either.

Just wait until the Cardinals get a coaching staff that motivates the talent on this team and knows how to develop the talent. Many of the current players aren't being held to the highest standards, because there are so many double standards and a lack of player and coaching accountability.

 

[TJ]

What PFF likely indicates is they don't know what they are doing when they have PP as the #25 CB.

Having Traymon Williams over PP21 indicates just how reliable PFF’s metrics are.

 

[Mitch]

Having Traymon Williams over PP21 indicates just how reliable PFF’s metrics are.

Tramon Williams has started the last 5 games (prior to that it was all Bethel):

Here are Williams' 5 game stats: 21 tackles, 6 passes defended, 1 interception.

Patrick Peterson's stats the last 5 games: 5 tackles, 6 passes defended, 1 interception.

In 11 starts, Peterson has 16 tackles, 7 passes defended and 1 interception. Those stats are weak, TJ. Yes, Paterson has locked down his man very well and typically he does not get thrown on...so he gets tons of credit there. PP is an elite man-to-man cover CB. No question about that.

But, with the Cardinals playing more zone coverage, Peterson has not shined in that role. Shouldn't we expect him to? With his experience and athletic ability?

Now, I think it's wrong of PFF to have any CB who has played a little as 5 games ranked with all the CBs who have started most of not all of the games, so I agree with you 100% that Tramon should not be ranked higher than Patrick.

But, Tramon Williams has been a nice surprise. He has been a physical presence at RCB and has been consistently efficient. And it's because he's played so well that teams aren't just picking on his side anymore.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Tramon Williams has started the last 5 games (prior to that it was all Bethel):

Here are Williams' 5 game stats: 21 tackles, 6 passes defended, 1 interception.

Patrick Peterson's stats the last 5 games: 5 tackles, 6 passes defended, 1 interception.

In 11 starts, Peterson has 16 tackles, 7 passes defended and 1 interception. Those stats are weak, TJ. Yes, Paterson has locked down his man very well and typically he does not get thrown on...so he gets tons of credit there. PP is an elite man-to-man cover CB. No question about that.

But, with the Cardinals playing more zone coverage, Peterson has not shined in that role. Shouldn't we expect him to? With his experience and athletic ability?

Now, I think it's wrong of PFF to have any CB who has played a little as 5 games ranked with all the CBs who have started most of not all of the games, so I agree with you 100% that Tramon should not be ranked higher than Patrick.

But, Tramon Williams has been a nice surprise. He has been a physical presence at RCB and has been consistently efficient. And it's because he's played so well that teams aren't just picking on his side anymore.

I have a question Mitch, and nothing to do with Peterson. Williams has played well for us, and Cooper before has played well for us. A matter of fact we have with guys like Powers have been able to plug in solid number two corners who are vets but every damn year this front office attempts the Bethel and rookie potential route and we are forced again to acquire a vet into the season. My question, at his age does Tramon still have enough to play another season and if not can the Cardinals find a guy in the off season ahead of time. I know they have tried before with guys who I cannot remember at the moment but they have gotten hurt early and this coaching staff seems to want to will Bethel and rookies with potential to be what they are not

 

[Milgod]

Tramon Williams has started the last 5 games (prior to that it was all Bethel):

Here are Williams' 5 game stats: 21 tackles, 6 passes defended, 1 interception.

Patrick Peterson's stats the last 5 games: 5 tackles, 6 passes defended, 1 interception.

In 11 starts, Peterson has 16 tackles, 7 passes defended and 1 interception. Those stats are weak, TJ. Yes, Paterson has locked down his man very well and typically he does not get thrown on...so he gets tons of credit there. PP is an elite man-to-man cover CB. No question about that.

But, with the Cardinals playing more zone coverage, Peterson has not shined in that role. Shouldn't we expect him to? With his experience and athletic ability?

Now, I think it's wrong of PFF to have any CB who has played a little as 5 games ranked with all the CBs who have started most of not all of the games, so I agree with you 100% that Tramon should not be ranked higher than Patrick.

But, Tramon Williams has been a nice surprise. He has been a physical presence at RCB and has been consistently efficient. And it's because he's played so well that teams aren't just picking on his side anymore.

Oh look, you're somehow finding a way to have a dig at PP. That's new . . .

 

[TJ]

Tramon Williams has started the last 5 games (prior to that it was all Bethel):

Here are Williams' 5 game stats: 21 tackles, 6 passes defended, 1 interception.

Patrick Peterson's stats the last 5 games: 5 tackles, 6 passes defended, 1 interception.

In 11 starts, Peterson has 16 tackles, 7 passes defended and 1 interception. Those stats are weak, TJ. Yes, Paterson has locked down his man very well and typically he does not get thrown on...so he gets tons of credit there. PP is an elite man-to-man cover CB. No question about that.

But, with the Cardinals playing more zone coverage, Peterson has not shined in that role. Shouldn't we expect him to? With his experience and athletic ability?

Now, I think it's wrong of PFF to have any CB who has played a little as 5 games ranked with all the CBs who have started most of not all of the games, so I agree with you 100% that Tramon should not be ranked higher than Patrick.

But, Tramon Williams has been a nice surprise. He has been a physical presence at RCB and has been consistently efficient. And it's because he's played so well that teams aren't just picking on his side anymore.

And which receiver is Peterson in charge of covering game in and game out? Which receiver is Williams in charge of covering? Which CB gets more safety help?

 

[Mitch]

I have a question Mitch, and nothing to do with Peterson. Williams has played well for us, and Cooper before has played well for us. A matter of fact we have with guys like Powers have been able to plug in solid number two corners who are vets but every damn year this front office attempts the Bethel and rookie potential route and we are forced again to acquire a vet into the season. My question, at his age does Tramon still have enough to play another season and if not can the Cardinals find a guy in the off season ahead of time. I know they have tried before with guys who I cannot remember at the moment but they have gotten hurt early and this coaching staff seems to want to will Bethel and rookies with potential to be what they are not

I would like to see the Cardinals re-sign Tramon and draft a CB with one of their top 3 picks. It look to me like at his age he hasn't declined all that much. He sure is putting a lick on people and we need that.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I would like to see the Cardinals re-sign Tramon and draft a CB with one of their top 3 picks. It look to me like at his age he hasn't declined all that much. He sure is putting a lick on people and we need that.

That is the same thing I was thinking Mitch and I would get that done before the season was out

 

[pmacLean]

Tramon Williams has started the last 5 games (prior to that it was all Bethel):

Here are Williams' 5 game stats: 21 tackles, 6 passes defended, 1 interception.

Patrick Peterson's stats the last 5 games: 5 tackles, 6 passes defended, 1 interception.

In 11 starts, Peterson has 16 tackles, 7 passes defended and 1 interception. Those stats are weak, TJ. Yes, Paterson has locked down his man very well and typically he does not get thrown on...so he gets tons of credit there. PP is an elite man-to-man cover CB. No question about that.

But, with the Cardinals playing more zone coverage, Peterson has not shined in that role. Shouldn't we expect him to? With his experience and athletic ability?

Now, I think it's wrong of PFF to have any CB who has played a little as 5 games ranked with all the CBs who have started most of not all of the games, so I agree with you 100% that Tramon should not be ranked higher than Patrick.

But, Tramon Williams has been a nice surprise. He has been a physical presence at RCB and has been consistently efficient. And it's because he's played so well that teams aren't just picking on his side anymore.

PP has fewer tackles because they DON"T THROW THERE... Williams has a LOT more tackles because they COMPLETED THE PASS (that he was supposed to stop) against him and he was close enough to tackle. These stats are meaningess (but they do provide pseudo analysis for your obvious hate for PP)

You have NO, absolutely NO credibility anymore if all you are doing is regurgitating meaningless stats that do not reflect what we just watched in a game (which is the problem with ALL those stats) in order to back up some mindless axe against one of best (discount DJ and he is our best) players.

 

[pmacLean]

I would like to see the Cardinals re-sign Tramon and draft a CB with one of their top 3 picks. It look to me like at his age he hasn't declined all that much. He sure is putting a lick on people and we need that.

When they have already CAUGHT THE PASS that he was supposed to prevent, "putting a lick" on the guy is pretty much immaterial.
This MUST be a joke. I have no rational explanation for this, other than that.

 

[pemory09]

Thank YOU, WildBB and pemory09. I always appreciate your posts. You are great Birdgangers.

Right back at ya Mitch!