After playing the Nintendo Wii.......

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I have to say that it may be the most over-hyped game console ever. I was intrigues by the motion sensing controller, to the point that I almost purchasaed one, but I let my neighbor buy it first. Well after spending a few hours with the machine, I am far from impressed. Let me first say that I am an XBOX 360 owner. I have experienced XBOX Live since it came out and High Definition graphics for a year with the 360, so maybe my view would be a little different from someone who bought the wii but hasn't owned a 360 or a PS3 before.

I'll start with the navigation interface. Using the controller becomes annoying after about 30 seconds, trying to navigate through the console's menu. A menu which features weather reports, a web browser, and access to the game really doesnt need to have a motion sensing controller. It was agrivating more than anything. After messing around with that for about 20 minutes, we fired up Madden 07. Immediately it was apparent that the graphics aren't close to a 360, but they may not be close to the original XBOX. People who say, "Graphics don't matter, it is all about game play" always kind of confuse me. If a console is going to be released, and claim that it is next generation, than it should show some sort of advancement graphically. If you really break down what the wii can do compared to the others, the only thing it really has is the controller. XBOX and PS3 could release cute, family games, and they do. so they arguement that the wii releases games that are more about gameplay and not graphics, really means that the wii's controller sets it apart so much that we should forget about the high def alternative. So what it really boils down to is the controller. So we started to play Madden, although at kickoff it felt like I was in a time warp because it looked so bad. To pass you have to sling the contoller back and forth..whatever. The point is that in that show Madden nation on ESPN, they would bever even consider using this wack version of this great game. This game is what putt putt golf is to the PGA Tour. It is a silly version that has no staying power whatsoever. After playing a rediculous, error filled madden game, we popped in Wii Sports.

Wii Sports was tabbed "lame" by my neighbor, the guy who bought into the holiday hype, and the only one seeming to have any kind of fun was his wife, whi is usually amused by watching reruns of Newlyweds. To call that baseballl is a dissservice to the national pastime.

All in all, I think that Nintendo should be commended for coming up with a great marketing strategy. They focused on families and used a cheap price point to drive sales. But in the end, the experience playing that machine is pretty abismal compared to a 360, no matter what age the gamer, or what game. Play World series of Poker for one hour on XBOX Live and the Wii becomes obsolete. I am thankful that I didnt buy into the hype. I saved $250-$400 that i almost wasted on the Gamecube on sterroids.
 
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I could see how it could be considered fun for moments at a time. But not worthy of an investment, especially when there are other options on the market. The controller is what we thought it was, and apparently some people have let it off the hook.
 

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D-Dogg, between the Lakers and the Wii, I am starting to wonder about you.

azsouthendzone,

Nintendo never came in and claimed to be a part of the next generation. People want to lump Nintendo in with the 360 and PS3 because of when they were released.

Graphics are not the only thing that determines if gameplay will be enjoyable. If you have played the Gamecube, then you should be able to see an improvement in graphics. The Wii just isn't capable of displaying in the 720p/1080i resolutions that you are used to, so I believe that is making your opinion biased.

Navigating the menus is very simple and very accurate. The placement of the sensor bar (as in above the TV or below) , and the sensitivity of the pointer are critical.

From your observation of the Wii, Nintendo wasn't really trying to attract you. (stereotyping here gamer) They went for the cheaper, family/party friendly console that immerses you into the game.

So let me ask you, do you have a PS3? I mean, they do have better graphics than the 360, and that is something that you are really looking forward to this generation.

All in all, I don't think that you gave the Wii a fair shake. You played Wii Sports, expecting to play Madden/MVP baseball etc. You also may have played the worst launch title from the Wii in Madden. Maybe you will change your mind about the Wii in time, but the Wii is bringing a renaissance back into gaming that even the PS3 is trying to replicate.
 

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The problem is unrealistic expecations. It's like you guys expected the PS3, and it was NEVER touted as such. The Wii is what it is: a game machine that is more concerned with the fun factor than the realism factor--and the price and opinion reflects that.
 

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D-Dogg, between the Lakers and the Wii, I am starting to wonder about you.

When the Wii is $99 I will buy one for my kids. I think it will be great fun for a gimmicky system. I'm not paying $250 for it though...ever.

And I'm not paying $600 for a PS3. Maybe $350, so I won't be seeing one for a long, long time (haven't really been impressed with it yet...)
 

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I agree with AZSouthEndZone. I've had a 360 for over a year now and my girlfriend bought a Wii. I'm not impressed with it at all. I can see how the motion sensing controller could be fun in some games, but I wouldn't want to play every game with it. The only game that looks fairly promising is Zelda, and it would probably be easier to play the Gamecube version because I wouldn't want to swing the controller around like a sword for 25+ hours.

Also, for those that got a Wii early on like we did, there are hundreds that damaged TVs, windows, themselves, etc because of the cheap wrist straps. I know I almost broke a window in the next room when my strap broke playing Wii Baseball (home run derby) after owning the console for only an hour. If it had cracked my 65' Mitshubishi TV I would've been pissed. Sure, after the fact, people can say "don't be a moron and swing so hard", but the game instructs you to swing it like a baseball bat and the faster you swing, the farther the ball goes (according to their instructions).
 

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I agree with AZSouthEndZone. I've had a 360 for over a year now and my girlfriend bought a Wii. I'm not impressed with it at all. I can see how the motion sensing controller could be fun in some games, but I wouldn't want to play every game with it. The only game that looks fairly promising is Zelda, and it would probably be easier to play the Gamecube version because I wouldn't want to swing the controller around like a sword for 25+ hours.

Also, for those that got a Wii early on like we did, there are hundreds that damaged TVs, windows, themselves, etc because of the cheap wrist straps. I know I almost broke a window in the next room when my strap broke playing Wii Baseball (home run derby) after owning the console for only an hour. If it had cracked my 65' Mitshubishi TV I would've been pissed. Sure, after the fact, people can say "don't be a moron and swing so hard", but the game instructs you to swing it like a baseball bat and the faster you swing, the farther the ball goes (according to their instructions).

:biglaugh:

If you were to swing a baseball bat and let it go, it would fly into the air as well. That analogy does not work here. It is impossible for the strap to break, unless you accidently, or purposely let go of the controller. Even more damage would happen, if you were to do that with a baseball bat.
 

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:biglaugh:

If you were to swing a baseball bat and let it go, it would fly into the air as well. That analogy does not work here. It is impossible for the strap to break, unless you accidently, or purposely let go of the controller. Even more damage would happen, if you were to do that with a baseball bat.

He also wouldn't be swinging a baseball bat in the house because he might break something.












GIMMICK!!!!!!!!















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As soon as I can find a Wii I am getting one. Honestly I am waaaay more concerned about fun gameplay than I am about graphics. I want a game that will appeal to a broad spectrum of people when they come to visit.

If I want graphics I will play my computer.
 

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:biglaugh:

If you were to swing a baseball bat and let it go, it would fly into the air as well. That analogy does not work here. It is impossible for the strap to break, unless you accidently, or purposely let go of the controller. Even more damage would happen, if you were to do that with a baseball bat.
That would be why baseball players have batting gloves and stickum to keep the bat in their hands. All Nintendo gives you is a cheap thin strap that broke for multiple thousands of people and was enough of a problem for Nintendo to have to send out $8 million dollars worth of replacement straps (free to the consumer) because of their cheap strap blunder. But the strap can't break right?

I would direct you to www.wiihaveaproblem.com, but it looks like Nintendo has finally forced the site to close down. If you google "wii have a problem" you'll get a ton of hits about the site and documented cases of the wii strap breaking and the remote flying into tvs, windows & other people. I'm sure youtube has tons of videos as well.
 
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That would be why baseball players have batting gloves and stickum to keep the bat in their hands. All Nintendo gives you is a cheap thin strap that broke for multiple thousands of people and was enough of a problem for Nintendo to have to send out $8 million dollars worth of replacement straps (free to the consumer) because of their cheap strap blunder. But the strap can't break right?

I would direct you to www.wiihaveaproblem.com, but it looks like Nintendo has finally forced the site to close down. If you google "wii have a problem" you'll get a ton of hits about the site and documented cases of the wii strap breaking and the remote flying into tvs, windows & other people. I'm sure youtube has tons of videos as well.

Sorry, but Nintendo also has gloves for the Wii as well. I have been to that site among others. Nintendo did not even have to include a strap in the first place. You do not see straps on a baseball bat. (since we are still using that example)

Nintendo decided to replace their straps, because they are proactive in their Customer Service. While Microsoft has had numerous overheating issues (that they still deny to this day) and Sony's notorious "disc read errors", Nintendo decided to take on issues head on, even if they were caused by misuse or users are not educated on how to use the Wiimotes.

Again, it is impossible for the strap to break, unless you let go of the controller. There is no game on the Wii, that requires you to let go of the controller. Swing fast, sure. Swing hard, sure. Common sense tells you the harder or faster you swing something, the stronger your grip should be.
 
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As soon as I can find a Wii I am getting one. Honestly I am waaaay more concerned about fun gameplay than I am about graphics. I want a game that will appeal to a broad spectrum of people when they come to visit.

If I want graphics I will play my computer.

I haven't met anyone that isn't impressed with HD over standard def. The wii is great for anyone under the age of 10, but after that it really serves no purpose. It's also kind of funny how some people say, "I like the wii because of the fun game play." Is that to imply that the 360 isn't fun because you cant swing the controller around the room? Motion sensing games are nothing new. Hogan's Alley had a great interactive light gun, but eventually you just have to turn the page. The only difference between the Wii and the Gamecube so far is the controller and $150. So basically you are getting a $150 controller. Whoop de do. I just think that if they were going to go through the time to release a new console, they could have gone all out, otherwise its just a GIMMICK.
 

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I haven't met anyone that isn't impressed with HD over standard def. The wii is great for anyone under the age of 10, but after that it really serves no purpose. It's also kind of funny how some people say, "I like the wii because of the fun game play." Is that to imply that the 360 isn't fun because you cant swing the controller around the room? Motion sensing games are nothing new. Hogan's Alley had a great interactive light gun, but eventually you just have to turn the page. The only difference between the Wii and the Gamecube so far is the controller and $150. So basically you are getting a $150 controller. Whoop de do. I just think that if they were going to go through the time to release a new console, they could have gone all out, otherwise its just a GIMMICK.

I still do not think that you understand what Nintendo was trying to do this generation.

First, Nintendo clearly stated that the pricing of the console market has gotten out of hand. Just look at the price of the PS3 and you will see what they mean. Nintendo wanted to still have a low priced console in this generation? Did they succeed? Absolutely.

Second, Nintendo wanted to bring new gamers back into gaming. Nintendo saw that there are hundreds of thousands of people that used to play video games that no longer do, and wanted to tap into that market. Did they succeed here? Absolutely. My overweight 55 year old mother bought a Wii, when she hasn't played a console game since Tetris. Why?? Because it was something that was easy to play, the button combinations were not complicated, and that it looks fun to play. If Nintendo can bring my mother to buy a new console, they must be doing something differently.

Third, Nintendo has stated that they are not competing with the 360/PS3. No, the graphics are not as good. They don't claim to be. Look, I had a 360, and some of the games on there looked, and sounded absolutely beautiful. That doesn't take anything from the Wii at all. It is possible to have a 360/PS3 and a Wii in your home, and enjoy them both for what they are.

Forth, There are some incredible games for the Wii already. Zelda is amazing. Trauma Center is a blast. Wario Ware is great for multiplayer goodness.

The fact that the Wii is 100% compatible with the Gamecube speaks volumes as well. Both the 360 and PS3 have backwards compatibility issues.

AZ, the Wii is not for you, I get that. It is not for everybody. However, the Wii has already proven that it is far more than a gimmick.
 

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Sorry, but Nintendo also has gloves for the Wii as well. I have been to that site among others. Nintendo did not even have to include a strap in the first place. You do not see straps on a baseball bat. (since we are still using that example)
Baseball players also aren't swinging the bat around for an hour or two at a time. My hands get sweaty when playing Xbox 360 video games and holding a controller for a while and that's when I'm not swinging the controller all over the place.

Again, it is impossible for the strap to break, unless you let go of the controller. There is no game on the Wii, that requires you to let go of the controller. Swing fast, sure. Swing hard, sure. Common sense tells you the harder or faster you swing something, the stronger your grip should be.
Again you are wrong. In my case, the strap broke and then the controller flew out of my hand. I did not let go of my controller. The breaking off the strap combined with the sweatiness of my hand and the force and momentum of swinging the controller caused it to slip out of my hand after the strap broke. The strap was the main force of resistance and with it breaking, it's hard to maintain your grip if your hands are sweaty.

The bottom line is the majority of these cases happened right when people got their Wii. Their straps broke within the 1st hour or two of use and most occured while playing the Wii sports games Baseball and Bowling. Gloves weren't available right away, plus when you 1st play your console are you really thinking about buying some gloves to wear while you play with it?.

By the way, the Xbox 360 did admit to having issues and extended their system warranty from 3 months to 1 year.
 

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Baseball players also aren't swinging the bat around for an hour or two at a time. My hands get sweaty when playing Xbox 360 video games and holding a controller for a while and that's when I'm not swinging the controller all over the place.


Again you are wrong. In my case, the strap broke and then the controller flew out of my hand. I did not let go of my controller. The breaking off the strap combined with the sweatiness of my hand and the force and momentum of swinging the controller caused it to slip out of my hand after the strap broke. The strap was the main force of resistance and with it breaking, it's hard to maintain your grip if your hands are sweaty.

The bottom line is the majority of these cases happened right when people got their Wii. Their straps broke within the 1st hour or two of use and most occured while playing the Wii sports games Baseball and Bowling. Gloves weren't available right away, plus when you 1st play your console are you really thinking about buying some gloves to wear while you play with it?.

By the way, the Xbox 360 did admit to having issues and extended their system warranty from 3 months to 1 year.



The controller slipped out if your hands.... you let it go. How can you say that I am wrong, when it slipped out of your hands? The strap did not break first. Even if it did, it wouldn't matter, because if you had a good grip of the controller, it wouldn't have fallen out of your hands. You did not let it go purposely, but you still let it go. If your hands are sweaty, take a break, hold the controller more loosely to allow air to circulate through, etc.

You are right about not thinking of using gloves when playing a console, but with the Wii, maybe you should. Oh, and gloves were available on launch day.

The 360 just extended the warranty to one year, less than a month ago. That was over a year after the console was released. Imagine if Nintendo waited a year to send out replacement straps.
 

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Maybe one of the rosin (sp?) bags is called for if you sweat a lot when playing a video game.
 

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The controller slipped out if your hands.... you let it go. How can you say that I am wrong, when it slipped out of your hands? The strap did not break first. Even if it did, it wouldn't matter, because if you had a good grip of the controller, it wouldn't have fallen out of your hands. You did not let it go purposely, but you still let it go. If your hands are sweaty, take a break, hold the controller more loosely to allow air to circulate through, etc.

You are right about not thinking of using gloves when playing a console, but with the Wii, maybe you should. Oh, and gloves were available on launch day.

The 360 just extended the warranty to one year, less than a month ago. That was over a year after the console was released. Imagine if Nintendo waited a year to send out replacement straps.
Again, we're talking about the 1st hour of use of the console. You don't expect the equipment to fail in that time frame. You don't expect the strap to break in the middle of your 1st gaming session. Sure, months later, you can say "This was a known problem, you should've been more careful". I'm telling you that I did not throw the controller out of my hand as I swung, which is what you're stating has to happen for the strap to break. The strap broke with the controller still in my hand and then the remote slipped out. You're saying this is impossible, I'm saying I have 1st hand experience that it is possible. I've been gaming for over 23 years now and I've never had something like that happen to me before. I've owned Atari, Colecovision, Nintendo, Super Nes, Nintendo 64, Gamecube, Dreamcast, Xbox & Xbox 360 systems and the Wii. I am a serious gamer and the Wii just doesn't appeal to me. I haven't played Zelda yet and that's probably the only game that's worth buying so far (and it would still be easier to play on the GC). Nintendo botched their launch by not having a Mario launch title (and the stupid name....."Quit playing with your WII Jim, you'll go blind"). The only good games to play on Nintendo systems are the Mario, Zelda & Metroid franchises and occasionally a unique game like Super Monkey Ball. Any game that is also on the Xbox 360 or PS3 is going to be better on those systems.

Also, www.wiihaveaproblem.com is back up for those interested in checking it out. I'm surprised there aren't a lot more people injuring themselves from all the moving around while playing with their wii's.
 
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