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Well, it's Tuesday after the bye week, and our Cards are 5 up and 4 down. Who would have possibly thought THAT as we began the new season in September?

The fact is that hardly had the final whistle sounded, and people were already on the board posting about how they hate this franchise for never seeming to have a clear cut, (relaxing), win-----or for putting the fans through so much turmoil at the end of games. I find it simply amazing that rather than celebrate the team's good fortune, (and continued progress), people are now complaining about 'how we win'.

I guess that many, many Cardinals fans still revel in the fact that in '07-8-&-9, this team went 8-8, 9-7, and 10-6, and thus have huge expectations of winning Cardinal's football. On the other hand, I recall the quick return to 5-11 ball after the retirement of Kurt Warner, and the absolutely abysmal attempts to fix the QB problem, (all the while sinking further and further into hopelessness during the next three seasons after Warner). I recall a coaching staff that continued efforts to try the same thing, game after game, each time hoping for a different result. It was almost like the shine created by the Warner years caused a glare that overrode the ability of many to notice the almost total devastation wrought on the offensive unit of this franchise. If not for a very good defense, this whole team would have been irrelevant by the end of 2012.

Maybe that is why I can appreciate the efforts of Keim, Licht, and BA to change the culture here, and bring this team back to relevance, while some fans still feel that they are being short-changed. I see slow, but steady, progress with this offensive unit, and a return to football that is fun to watch because the offense, defense, and special teams ALL play hard every play, despite the patchwork offense that is still far behind the other two units. This team is becoming formidable. It is for the most part, winning those games that it should. One needs to look no farther than the first game after the BYE week to see this change. That is one point in each season, where our old Cards would have simply come out flat and stunk up the stadium. They did it almost every year, as if they forgot how to play football after a week off. How refreshing it was to see this effort against the talented Texans.

I still see our offense as one that is very short on talent and is suffering still more from a head coach who places possibly more loyalty to players he has had previously in his fold than he should. I see Rashad Mendenhall as a liability to this offense, and at the very best, the number three running back on this roster. I believe that a dose of Ellington, Taylor, and maybe even Williams, would go far to assist a struggling QB like Palmer, and would contribute more to a better running game than Mendenhall can. After hearing BA not finding fault with Mendenhall's devastating fumble late in the game, (almost as if he was in denial about it), I believe that better help is available than is being utilized at this point. That said, BA has corrected far more than he has failed to correct as this season has progressed. I have no doubt that he will eventually see the opportunity that is presenting itself to the improvement of our running game.

Meanwhile, I am ecstatic about the manner in which our O-line has played. This unit is so lacking in talent that it is amazing how hard they play in order to provide what help they can. Only another off-season of talent influx can change that, and I firmly believe that Keim and Licht have a plan for that. Meanwhile, the weakness in the middle of this line will be noticed, and the lack of experience at LT will continue. The good thing is that there is some youth on this line that is getting needed experience, and they should provide really nice depth when the influx of talent comes. It is quite possible that one more off-season can fix this O-line for years to come.

Best of all, this ENTIRE roster is a very together group. It is easy to see that they have each other's back, and that they help each other to learn. There is a genuine closeness and caring for each other going on in that locker room, as well as on and off the field. There is also a healthy respect for players to coaches, and for coaches to players. They play very hard, and very unselfishly, and I find them extremely refreshing to watch, (even if they don't blow other teams away).
 
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Mods, please correct title to read (After the Bye)
 

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Great and very encouraging to see that the coaches and players used the bye week to build on improvements, just like to said so well, Catfish!
 

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The entertainment the defense has provided this year reminds me of feelings during the '08 & '09 seasons. Sure, there's a lot to fix, but this is soooo refreshing!
 

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Catfish, thank you for a very nice 'take' on the team. Your analysis of our offensive deficiencies, brings to mind our next game. All things being equal we should beat Jacksonville this Sunday. But it's shaping up, at least in my mind, as a trap game. JAX is coming off its first win and should be up for us. That is why we have to get off to a good start, and avoid an early turnover(and looking ahead). Jacksonville doesn't draw flies and the atmosphere will be library like. So if we're not focused an upset is possible. And if you think our fans (at least many of them) complain after a win, what do you think will happen with a loss to the lowly Jags? I just hope we don't have to find out.
 
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Catfish, thank you for a very nice 'take' on the team. Your analysis of our offensive deficiencies, brings to mind our next game. All things being equal we should beat Jacksonville this Sunday. But it's shaping up, at least in my mind, as a trap game. JAX is coming off its first win and should be up for us. That is why we have to get off to a good start, and avoid an early turnover(and looking ahead). Jacksonville doesn't draw flies and the atmosphere will be library like. So if we're not focused an upset is possible. And if you think our fans (at least many of them) complain after a win, what do you think will happen with a loss to the lowly Jags? I just hope we don't have to find out.

This is positively a trap game. I have a feeling though, (especially after the Texan's game), that the guys will be up to the task. I don't think I am being premature on this, but I believe that this team has already achieved the part of the culture change that BA talked about when he said that the Cards won't beat the Cards, and that this team will learn to live in the now, and not look past the game at hand. The BYE week was the perfect time to have done the 'Old Cards' thing and gotten themselves blown out by the Texans. That did not happen so maybe we have turned that corner.
 

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The BYE week was the perfect time to have done the 'Old Cards' thing and gotten themselves blown out by the Texans. That did not happen so maybe we have turned that corner.
Let's hope so. The Cards should be fired up and not over confident after seeing Jax get their first win. We have no reason to be over confident.
 

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I would be more worried if JAX came into this game still winless. Many times when a team as bad as JAX wins their first game they tend to revert back to form the following game. I expect the Cards to win by 10-14 points.
 

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Are the Cardinals really good enough to be talking about trap games?

Particularly a road game on the east coast. I don't think so. That said Henne may be in for a long afternoon against our D.
 

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The last time we went to Florida , our players were still trying to discover what the player next to him was all about . As a team they have grown some since then , and even though we still have some growing to do we are a better team now . We scored all of our points against the Bucs (13) late in the game , but I expect us to play better in Qtrs. 1-----2------3 this time against the Jags.
 

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the only thing that is really bothering me at this point is the insistence that Mendy will not only continue to start, but the praise heaped upon him. Seems like anyone that was here prior to BA can be criticized (we've seen BA knock down Houlser, Fitz, Floyd and Levi numerous times) but if you were someone BA brought in to run his offense, namely Palmer and Mendy, you're above reproach. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

love EVERYTHING about the D, love the dynamic Ellington brings to the game, like the fact that an below average O-line looks to be playing average football, like that Palmer hasn't been nearly as awful the last two games and has brought his game up to average, but the bottom line for me is that this offense can be better and it's being held back by having Mendy on the field. He's a non factor, fumbles the rock and the opposing defenses don't have to worry about him when he's out there. not saying Ellington needs to see the rock 25 times a game, but he still needs more then 13 touches and the rest of the touches should be split between Taylor and Mendy...hell, even give Ryan Williams a chance.
 

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How can a 5-4 team be over confident? We need to beat Jax AND Indy before talking playoff possibilities.
 

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How can a 5-4 team be over confident? We need to beat Jax AND Indy before talking playoff possibilities.

agreed. I've seen previous mediocre/bad Cardinals team lay stinkers against teams like Jax and afterwards say they didn't take them seriously to which i'm always incredulous. a team that has been as bad as ours has historically and which is still trying to shed that label needs to take EVERY game incredibly seriously. I hope they realize the golden opportunity they have this weekend to really get a full head of steam heading into the the last six games of the season.
 

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