Ainge called Amare "Bam Bam"...

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Former Suns coach, current TNT analyst Danny Ainge called Stoudemire "Bam Bam" after the Flinstone's character during the All-Star Saturday telecast.

I think that is a good name for him, young and strong as an ox!
 

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After having had four months to think about it, I still prefer "The Cobra."
 

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Ok, at the risk of alienating half of Mesa and all of Utah, I think Danny Ainge is an utter ass. He's white and Mormon so he's a local icon.

If he wasn't white and well-spoken, he'd be unemployed. He was a loser coach. A quitter. But he's a local icon. Personally responsible for guarding the wrong guy in game 6 of the NBA finals here, he can do no wrong.

Is there anything more annoying than Ainge and John Thompson trying to outdo each other on TNT? Two biggots, each idiots in their own right.

To this day, Robert Horry's out-of-character blowup and Antonio McDyess' refusal to play for Danny Ainge stick in my craw.

Oh yeah, and why is Casey Jacobsen the only player on the roster to have a local TV commercial? Anybody know? Anybody care to guess? Or are we still in denial about local demographics?

Slam me. I don't care. Racism and religious prejudice disgust me. I'm Catholic and we have our own pedophelia burden and denial to deal with. We excuse child molesters and blame the media. Idiotic.

Is Frank Johnson a bad coach, or is he just too black for Phoenix? I'm not sure but his accomplishments sure seem unappreciated.

But I am sure of several things: Danny Ainge is a whining, quitting loser, and Casey Jocobsen doesn't deserve a local commercial.

Ok, so I'm venting out of frustration. Frank Johnson is so much better than Scott Skiles, Danny Ainge, or any other coach we've had since Paul Westphal, I have difficulty visiting here and reading the whining about small ball.
 

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Originally posted by Skkorpion
Ok, at the risk of alienating half of Mesa and all of Utah, I think Danny Ainge is an utter ass. He's white and Mormon so he's a local icon.

If he wasn't white and well-spoken, he'd be unemployed. He was a loser coach. A quitter. But he's a local icon. Personally responsible for guarding the wrong guy in game 6 of the NBA finals here, he can do no wrong.

Is there anything more annoying than Ainge and John Thompson trying to outdo each other on TNT? Two biggots, each idiots in their own right.

To this day, Robert Horry's out-of-character blowup and Antonio McDyess' refusal to play for Danny Ainge stick in my craw.

Oh yeah, and why is Casey Jacobsen the only player on the roster to have a local TV commercial? Anybody know? Anybody care to guess? Or are we still in denial about local demographics?

Slam me. I don't care. Racism and religious prejudice disgust me. I'm Catholic and we have our own pedophelia burden and denial to deal with. We excuse child molesters and blame the media. Idiotic.

Is Frank Johnson a bad coach, or is he just too black for Phoenix? I'm not sure but his accomplishments sure seem unappreciated.

But I am sure of several things: Danny Ainge is a whining, quitting loser, and Casey Jocobsen doesn't deserve a local commercial.

Ok, so I'm venting out of frustration. Frank Johnson is so much better than Scott Skiles, Danny Ainge, or any other coach we've had since Paul Westphal, I have difficulty visiting here and reading the whining about small ball.




Skorpion I do respect your views and knowledge on sports, You also do and excelIent jobon running this board. But I do take offense to your comments on Ainge and being Mormon and on people from Utah. I am also Mormon and do not appreciate being stereotyped. Just as all all catholics are not to be compared to the transgressions of the priests.
As you know he does have 3 championship rings and was an important role player on the team. As for him quitting as coach if there was issues with his family, I do respect him for walking away rather than just letting himself get fired and taking the
money and running. I do agree that he was not that good of a coach but do not feel the character attacks are appropriate.

I agree that Johnson did do an excellent job as a coach. The Suns batteld in every game and did not quit. I think he helped Amare gain confidence and that would not have happended under Ainge or Skiles.
I also do not feel the race card is appropriate in this situation. Lets looks at waht Frank has done as a coach and not the color of his skin.
 

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I agree that the Suns' energetic promotion of Jacobsen is probably partly inspired by his skin color. Bryan Colangelo virtually said as much when Jacobsen was drafted -- something like "Casey is the kind of player our fans like to see on the floor." Fortunately, Stoudemire looks like a star in the making, so he'll be getting more of the spotlight.

I don't think it's fair to label Ainge a quitter. I think it's been pretty well established that he was pressured into resigning. I never really liked him as a player -- I cringed when I heard he was coming to the Suns, and it took me a while to be able to tolerate him on the team -- but I think he was a decent coach. Horry was brought to Phoenix to be a star, and he was never comfortable with that, but I don't think that's Ainge's fault. And McDyess is just a head case.

I genuinely like the partnership of him and Thompson in the broadcast booth. Whenever they're talking and Kevin Harlan isn't, I'm happy.

As far as Mormonism goes, I've learned my lesson about discussing religion on this board.
 
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Skorp your right, but I dont think Ainge quit, I think JC "let" him resign before he fired him...

But I agree with your argument...
 

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Barkely was responsible for Game 6 and no one else. He tries to be the hero and goes for the steal on Pippen leaving the entire team to rotate around the court, and due to that Horace Grant was wide open for a 4 footer. So Ainge went down on him. Fine - NO ONE ELSE IN THE ENTIRE QUARTER Scored for the Bulls up until that point - why give up a layup to tie it? Paxson hit a great shot.

And atcually my first statemtn was incorrect - Barkely screwed up the final play, but there was plenty of blame to go around for the last minute collapse we had - I mean we had Barkley miss the stea on Pippenl, We let MJ walk up the court for a layup with 39 second left, up by four and both Frank Johnson and Dan Majerele were so petrified by taking clutch shots, that both of them almost missed the rim entirely (actually Majerle shot an airball, fading away from ten feet on the baseline before Paxons hit his shot). To put all the blame on Ainge isn't an accurate depiction of what happened that day - it was a total collapse by the entire team after battling back from a 9 point deficit heading into the fourth, only to take a four point lead with a minute left.

As far as Ainge the player goes - I loved him as a Sun - he was the most dependable clutch shooter we had - hell -even in his last game vs. Rockets in Game 7 in 1995 - the guy had 21 points, some huge three-pointers and basically was the only one who showed up not afraid besides KJ who threw in 49 and 10 assts (and Barkley - playing on one leg and getting rebounds). Anyone remember Dan Majerle in the Houston series cause I sure as hell don't.

And the coach - show me another coach who could have resurrected their team from an 0-14 start to make the playoffs and then take the #2 seed to a game 5! 0-14 - with a bucnh of of guy 6-5 and under. Then the next year, even with injuries and a completely new team he had them at 56 wins and if Manning doesn't get injured a week before the playoffs and if Chapman's healthy we kick the crap out of the Spurs that year and who knows.

Then they saddled him with Luc Longley, Googs and Penny, and the Colangelos though they had their championship team. Are you kidding? Ainge new what that team was and they weren't championship material, so under pressure from the C's he did the best thing he could - bow out and let someone else take the reigns - it was almost honorable - if you knew you couldn't do for your employer what he wanted and were willing ti give back all your money so your employer could find someone who would believe in the job - I see that as doing the right thing. Hell he could have just gone through the motions and collected a nice fat paycheck (GOOGS - YOU LISTENING?).

I will fault him with his handling of Dice - to be sure, but ultimately that worked out for the best (Thank God).
 

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Ill agree with you on the demographics thing you said skorp.....I dont think I could handle living 30 years ago when this **** was worse

I will never understand how people get offended by stereotypes and such......it happens, they are just words.....does everyone really care that much about what others think of them?

Hell, i get called "money bags" at work becasue my parents are both well established physcians....ive been able to deal with it for 19 years, i just laugh it off becasue that is the only appropiate response I can think of


well whatever, I already got bashed enough for my views in the old "shaq comments on ming" thread a couple months back
 

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I heard a cool nickname last night, and I was fired up to post here, but then I see the road this thread is going and I'm thinking nicknames are taking a backseat. So I'll post my thoughts on Skkorps post, then get on to the nickname....
--I don't live in AZ, so don't know about the climate, but if Casey is the only Sun with a commercial....You mean no other Sun represents anything? That does seem weird. But he's a young good looking white professional athlete. And the vast majority of those that attend professional sporting events are white. At least that's what I see on TV. Is it racist to hire him, or just marketing? Who is the market? What product is he representing? As far as Ainge and Mormon, I think it's been pretty well established that discussing religion is a slippery slope on this board, so I'll abstain.

Now then, onto my nickname. I'll footnote saying this was plagerized from TNN's Slamball last night (do any of you watch it? looks like it's every non-jumping white kids' fantasy). One of the dudes was nicknamed the "Landlord" because he decided who came 'into his house.' I like it. Think of all the sayings.....'Garnett was evicted by the Landlord'......'Not in this house, you'll need to leave a larger deposit'.......the possibilities are endless (well, maybe not endless, but you get the idea)


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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
Ill agree with you on the demographics thing you said skorp.....I dont think I could handle living 30 years ago when this **** was worse

I will never understand how people get offended by stereotypes and such......it happens, they are just words.....does everyone really care that much about what others think of them?

Hell, i get called "money bags" at work becasue my parents are both well established physcians....ive been able to deal with it for 19 years, i just laugh it off becasue that is the only appropiate response I can think of


well whatever, I already got bashed enough for my views in the old "shaq comments on ming" thread a couple months back
Like MONEYBAGS is a big ego killer haha :wave:
 

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Originally posted by BEERZ
Like MONEYBAGS is a big ego killer haha :wave:

I didnt say it was an "ego killer", I just said it is how I tend to get stereotyped.......plus what is the difference from being referred to as money bags instead of a poor bastard? Both are stereotypes, both are pretty unfair, because unless you REALLY know the person, and everything about their life and what they had to deal with you have know idea what kind of effect it will have on a person.

People always assume that just because someone has money they didnt have it rough growing up. I have gone through my fair share of problems, just as any other kid does. Money comes at a high price sometimes and people tend to forget about that because all they focus on is what they didnt have instead of what they DID have to enjoy as a kid.

No one seems to think that majorities can get stereotyped as much as minorities can. My roommate was almost jumped at the park across the street from my house 2 nights ago because "he was white."

People as a whole are ignorant, self absorbed babies if you ask me. I share some of these flaws, but at least I am man enough to admit it.
 
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I think the only people that get offended are the ones that are racist them selves...

I dont care what anyone calls me, because in reallity it doesnt matter what you are or where you came from. All that matters is what kinda person you are.

Every race has there good people, and every race definatly has there crappy kida people...

Being a ******, the ones I cant stand the most are the white trash loosers... Money has nothing to do with what kinda person you are. Rich or poor, YOU choose the kinda person you are...



OK BACK TO FOOTBALL
 

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The problem with racism, especially in sports, is that it is used as a REASON. Why? I respect Skkorp, but I have major problems with anyone that brings race as an issue in professional sports. The only reason it is even brought up is because it's already embedded in the accuser's mind. I'm not saying that Skkorp is racist, because he isn't, but I think his perception of the whole situation is skewed.
 

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I should start by noting that I couldn't stand Danny Ainge the player. When he played for the Phoenix Suns I tolerated him. I was not a big fan of his coaching either, especially the way he handled Antonio McDyess. I was not at all upset when he "resigned".

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Ok, at the risk of alienating half of Mesa and all of Utah, I think Danny Ainge is an utter ass. He's white and Mormon so he's a local icon

If he wasn't white and well-spoken, he'd be unemployed. He was a loser coach. A quitter. But he's a local icon. Personally responsible for guarding the wrong guy in game 6 of the NBA finals here, he can do no wrong.

Come on. If Danny Ainge was the same person with black skin he would be an even hotter commodity nowadays. Danny Ainge is where he is today because he's likable.

Is there anything more annoying than Ainge and John Thompson trying to outdo each other on TNT? Two biggots, each idiots in their own right.

How are they biggots? Does the fact that he is white, Mormon, and well spoken automatically make him bigoted? I personally think Ainge, Thompson, and Harlan are the best commenting crew in the NBA. I know that's not saying a lot considering the other idiots, but I enjoy listening to them. I like listening to Danny Ainge because he's honest. He calls it like he sees it.

To this day, Robert Horry's out-of-character blowup and Antonio McDyess' refusal to play for Danny Ainge stick in my craw.

I don't pretend to know what actually happened with Robert Horry, but I create Ainge is at least partially to blame for McDyess' departure. But let's not forget that Antonio McDyess was a complete moron. The Phoenix Suns were the victims of some of that most blatant tampering in the last 20 years during that episode. Most of the blame falls on a stupid and immature Antonio McDyess, Nick Van Exel, their crooked agent, and the Denver Nuggets.

Oh yeah, and why is Casey Jacobsen the only player on the roster to have a local TV commercial? Anybody know? Anybody care to guess? Or are we still in denial about local demographics?

Slam me. I don't care. Racism and religious prejudice disgust me. I'm Catholic and we have our own pedophelia burden and denial to deal with. We excuse child molesters and blame the media. Idiotic.

There's no doubt in my mind that Casey Jacobsen was drafted as much because he is a clean-cut, well spoken, white boy as he was taken because of his basketball abilities. The Suns were definitely looking for the next Dan Majerle/Jeff Hornacek/Danny Ainge. It's early, but it looks like they made a mistake by not taking the soft-spoken black kid from the University of Kentucky (Tayshaun Prince).

Did anybody on this messageboard argue about the local demographics? It's not racism or religious prejudice that gets Casey Jacobsen and Danny Ainge commercials. It's called marketing. There is absolutely nothing that says local advertisers have to be equal opportunity employer's when it comes to their commercials. Of course Danny Ainge is the Spencer's representative because a very large part of their customer base is the Mormon population in Mesa. Who cares? 99% of the people you see in Church's Chicken commercials are African-American. It's not racism. It's smart advertising.

And frankly we don't know that Marbury, Marion, Amare Stoudemire, etc. haven't also been offered commercials that they have turned down. It's not like this is a great market for advertising by athletes. I doubt local advertisers are even paying enough to make it worthwhile for guys like Marbury and Marion who make $10 million + per season already.

Is Frank Johnson a bad coach, or is he just too black for Phoenix? I'm not sure but his accomplishments sure seem unappreciated.

But I am sure of several things: Danny Ainge is a whining, quitting loser, and Casey Jocobsen doesn't deserve a local commercial.

Ok, so I'm venting out of frustration. Frank Johnson is so much better than Scott Skiles, Danny Ainge, or any other coach we've had since Paul Westphal, I have difficulty visiting here and reading the whining about small ball.

Frank Johnson isn't any better a head coach than Ainge. They have a better coaching staff, but he isn't any better. He isn't better than Cotton Fitzsimmons. I don't think anybody would argue that he isn't an improvement over Scott Skiles , but that's not saying a lot. And this has nothing to do with the fact that Frank Johnson is black. I was one of the guys who wanted a black coach just because I thought it would really help in the locker room after the Scott Skiles disaster.

Make no mistake. Good, black coaches are a hot commodity in the NBA today. The players seem to like playing for Frank Johnson. That's good. But as far as actual coaching goes FJ is mediocre at best.

That's my $.02.

Joe Mama
 
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Originally posted by mribnik
I'd say that was a good $.10 to $.20

Yeah, I'm sorry. If you guys haven't noticed I've been a little cranky this week. Sorry guys.

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Well done post, Joe.

As one of FJ's most consistent opponents I take it a bit personally when someone attributes racist motives to those taking my position. There was a time when I wanted the C's to hand the job over to Frank - when they installed Skiles. Skiles was clearly unfit for the job and, for all I knew, FJ might be the 'wunderkind' management has been groping for all these years - the odds were against it, of course. But better to give FJ a shot then than suffer through Scotty then try Frank.
With that slap in the face, Skiles would have gone looking elsewhere and so we'd be one step further ahead, worst case. What I really wanted was for Danny Ainge to hang on long enough for the C's to do a reasonable search for the best candidate available around the league, instead of taking another stab in the dark. I hoped they'd consider Mo Cheeks, then assisting Brown, or maybe lure Silas away from Shinn. I also thought Carlisle and Bird's other assistant coach might be worth a look, since Larry gave them much credit for the success of his teams. No doubt, there were several other well qualified assistant coaches that could have been considered.

What really frosts me is that I've detailed in a good fifty posts this year what I dislike about FJ's coaching and nobody but Graham even tried to dispute most of it. Where was our fellow who's now playing the race card back then? Why wasn't he talking basketball? Pointing out all my mistakes?
 

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I was not crazy about Ainge as a coach but I did respect his fire as a player. I also think that Ainge quit because he knew that he would be fired.

I know that Casey's presence in Phoenix has nothing to do with his game. Suns.com has falling in love with him and that generally doesn't happen to a scrub.

I was not impressed with Frank's rotations this season. I honestly think that his stubbornness in NOT playing Big Jake caused us the Spur series. I just think that a 7 foot player could help changed the way that Duncan played. When he insisted on going small and double teaming Duncan, I knew then that he was not a coach that could make playoff adjustments.

:confused: It's a shame that with all of the great coaches available, we have to go into another season with Frank.
:eek: And guess what Frank is NOT too black for me.
 

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Just my $.02 coming from a different area. As far as the local television comercials go, I get the local S.A. stations where I am and it's always the bench guys you see on the local ads here. I don't see Duncan, or Parker doing TV spots, I see Rose, and Ferry. I think its just that the local ads can't afford the prime time guys to do a TV spot.

It's no big deal and I don't think anyone needs to expect to see Marion, Marbury or Stoudamire doing local ads. Just glad I don't have to see Casey doin a comercial :p
 

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