Alex Len vs. Tyson Chandler

[JCSunsfan]

Interesting comparing the stats of these two. Actually they are pretty similar even given the small sample size from Len.

Rk Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Tyson Chandler 2002 2015 920 723 26456 4.1 7.0 .591 0.0 0.0 .000 4.1 7.0 .592 2.8 4.4 .645 4.0 7.6 11.6 1.1 0.7 1.6 1.9 3.7 11.1
2 Alex Len 2014 2015 111 47 1880 4.1 8.3 .492 0.0 0.1 .333 4.0 8.2 .493 1.8 2.6 .689 3.5 7.1 10.6 0.7 0.7 2.4 1.9 5.4 9.9

http://www.basketball-reference.com...sum=1&p1=lenal01&p2=chandty01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

 

[Sunburn]

Difficult to read

 

[BC867]

Difficult to read

Until you highlight the reference.

Despite the parts we all post, you should always want to go to the source.

'Not just easier to read, but often more complete.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Sorry. Tried to find a way to copy and paste with original formatting but could not figure it out. Go to the link. It's easier there.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Just a thought on Tyson Chandler's potential impact. Here are his rankings from last year, not his best year:

Offensive rebounds: 3rd (437)
Defensive rebounds: 6th (570)
Total rebounds: 4th
Rebounds per game: 5th (11.5)
True shooting pct: 2nd (.697)
Oreb pct: 6th
Dreb pct: 6th
total reb pct: 6th
Offensive rating: 1st
Offensive win shares: 11th
Win shares: 12th
Win shares per 48: 7th
Box plus/minus: 16th
Defensive box plus/minus: 19th
Value over replacement: 20th

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html?lid=header_leaders

 

[Mainstreet]

If Len comes to being anywhere close to the player Chandler is (was), I will be elated. From my perspective, Len's summer league performance showed little improvement in his game. I was hoping the game would become more spontaneous for him.

 

[Catlover]

If Len comes to being anywhere close to the player Chandler is (was), I will be elated. From my perspective, Len's summer league performance showed little improvement in his game. I was hoping the game would become more spontaneous for him.

Chandler was a disappointment for much of his career. If Len develops similarly he probably won't be a player of consequence until somewhere around his 10th season. Which likely means he will hit his stride elsewhere. Anyway, it's tough to judge any player by summer league but that is especially true of a traditional style center.

 

[Sunburn]

Just a thought on Tyson Chandler's potential impact. Here are his rankings from last year, not his best year:

Offensive rebounds: 3rd (437)
Defensive rebounds: 6th (570)
Total rebounds: 4th
Rebounds per game: 5th (11.5)
True shooting pct: 2nd (.697)
Oreb pct: 6th
Dreb pct: 6th
total reb pct: 6th
Offensive rating: 1st
Offensive win shares: 11th
Win shares: 12th
Win shares per 48: 7th
Box plus/minus: 16th
Defensive box plus/minus: 19th
Value over replacement: 20th

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html?lid=header_leaders

Wow. Thank you for posting these. These numbers indicate he was worth the money we gave him. Actually, they make him look like a bargain. Hopefully, he will continue to play at a high level.

 

[BC867]

Chandler was a disappointment for much of his career.

That's not true. Not at all. Tyson Chandler is not a scoring Center. He is a strong role-playing, rebounding Center.

In his 4th season with the Bulls, Chandler averaged 9.7 boards. In his 14 seasons to date, he has averaged 9.3 (including his first three years with lesser numbers).

He has had 9 seasons of 9 or more rebounds. If only the Suns ever had a Center with 9 seasons of 9+ rebounds.

We do now! And at the age of only 32, Tyson Chandler is hardly in the twilight of his career.

Hopefully, Alex Len will be a solid backup Center, thus helping his proclivity to foul trouble and physical ailments.

And the Suns proclivity to benching their Centers as the game progresses.

 

[Catlover]

That's not true. Not at all. Tyson Chandler is not a scoring Center. He is a strong role-playing, rebounding Center.

In his 4th season with the Bulls, Chandler averaged 9.7 boards. In his 14 seasons to date, he has averaged 9.3 (including his first three years with lesser numbers).

He has had 9 seasons of 9 or more rebounds. If only the Suns ever had a Center with 9 seasons of 9+ rebounds.

We do now! And at the age of only 32, Tyson Chandler is hardly in the twilight of his career.

Hopefully, Alex Len will be a solid backup Center, thus helping his proclivity to foul trouble and physical ailments.

And the Suns proclivity to benching their Centers as the game progresses.

If you don't believe me just go back in time and ask anyone. He was the second player drafted and trust me, he was considered a disappointment throughout much of his career. Not horrible, just a disappointment. He was viewed on a par with the younger Emeka Okafor until his first stop in Dallas.

I'm not knocking Chandler as much as I'm preaching patience. Eventually, people stopped seeing Chandler as the next great center and they began to appreciate him for what he is.

 

[BC867]

If you don't believe me just go back in time and ask anyone. He was the second player drafted and trust me, he was considered a disappointment throughout much of his career. Not horrible, just a disappointment. He was viewed on a par with the younger Emeka Okafor until his first stop in Dallas.

I'm not knocking Chandler as much as I'm preaching patience. Eventually, people stopped seeing Chandler as the next great center and they began to appreciate him for what he is.

Your thread is entitled Alex Len vs. Tyson Chandler.

If you are going to point out that Chandler, who at the age of 32 has settled into a role of 9 seasons of 9 or more rpg, he looks to be much more of a hope over the coming seasons than Len.

If Len, three or four years from now, can step into that role, great.

But then, that is not Len vs. Chandler. That is the hope that Len succeeds Chandler someday.

Len's ability to keep his feet healthy will be a large part of that. As will whether he can learn how to stay out of foul trouble. Our longest tenured Center, Mark West, never did learn. It is not a given.

Perhaps our change in Big Men coaches can make a difference.

 

[Catlover]

Your thread is entitled Alex Len vs. Tyson Chandler.

If you are going to point out that Chandler, who at the age of 32 has settled into a role of 9 seasons of 9 or more rpg, he looks to be much more of a hope over the coming seasons than Len.

If Len, three or four years from now, can step into that role, great.

But then, that is not Len vs. Chandler. That is the hope that Len succeeds Chandler someday.

Len's ability to keep his feet healthy will be a large part of that. As will whether he can learn how to stay out of foul trouble. Our longest tenured Center, Mark West, never did learn. It is not a given.

Perhaps our change in Big Men coaches can make a difference.

I'm sorry but I don't know what you're talking about here. You're addressing me as if you're having a conversation with me but the context of your post suggests otherwise.

 

[Mainstreet]

Chandler was a disappointment for much of his career. If Len develops similarly he probably won't be a player of consequence until somewhere around his 10th season. Which likely means he will hit his stride elsewhere. Anyway, it's tough to judge any player by summer league but that is especially true of a traditional style center.

The lesson to be learned, the Suns should stick with younger centers until they develop if the potential is there. Robin Lopez is a good example of the Suns giving up on a center too soon. Centers need not be stars if they can play defense and rebound. However, that does not mean I can't be disappointed if Len does not develop more quickly so long as the Suns are committed for the long term.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The lesson to be learned, the Suns should stick with younger centers until they develop if the potential is there. Robin Lopez is a good example of the Suns giving up on a center too soon. Centers need not be stars if they can play defense and rebound. However, that does not mean I can't be disappointed if Len does not develop more quickly so long as the Suns are committed for the long term.

Hopefully now, with Chandler, they can have a good center while being patient with a young one. I am hoping they both get similar minutes.

 

[Mainstreet]

Hopefully now, with Chandler, they can have a good center while being patient with a young one. I am hoping they both get similar minutes.

This is my hope as well.

I'd feel even better if the Suns had a third center that could play meaningful minutes if necessary. The Suns PFs are more stretch 4 type players. If the Suns want to be competitive this season they need to be able to hold their own inside on the boards and play defense.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This is my hope as well.

I'd feel even better if the Suns had a third center that could play meaningful minutes if necessary. The Suns PFs are more stretch 4 type players. If the Suns want to be competitive this season they need to be able to hold their own inside on the boards and play defense.

Leuer is 6-10 and so is Kieff. Those guys will probably get minutes if they go small. I am torn about having another center. I would be worried the Len would not get enough minutes.

If there was anything I would change about this team right now it would be to exchange Kieff for a different starting pf.

Is there one potentially on the market?

 

[BC867]

Hopefully now, with Chandler, they can have a good center while being patient with a young one.

Exactly. Which is why I suggested that the title of the thread, Alex Len vs. Tyson Chandler, isn't what the situation should be about. And I did question the opinion that Chandler was a disappointment for much of his career.

I am hoping they both get similar minutes.

I would rather see Chandler get 32 mpg and Len 16 over the coming season. As you said, Chandler is good and Len is young.

 

[Errntknght]

BS867,

I would rather see Chandler get 32 mpg and Len 16 over the coming season. As you said, Chandler is good and Len is young.

I think 32 mpg is overdoing it for Chandler - he's averaged right at 30 for the last two years and he's a year older now. Of course there will be games where he goes over 32 but i'd rather see him at 28 on average. Len averaged 22 mpg last year and as long as he's healthy we want him go gain experience. Frankly, I think I'd let what is best for Len's development dictate his minutes and Chandler gets the rest - at the finish of close games go with Chandler, of course. If Chandler averages 24, all the better.

 

[Catlover]

Exactly. Which is why I suggested that the title of the thread, Alex Len vs. Tyson Chandler, isn't what the situation should be about. And I did question the opinion that Chandler was a disappointment for much of his career.

Yes you did but your argument made no sense. And you brought up a lot of confusing stuff that was not relevant to the discussion. I wasn't saying that I was disappointed in Tyson, I was talking about the one-time perception of him. If you really do not recall how much of a disappointment Chandler was considered to be, just google "is Tyson Chandler a bust" and read the many, many articles about how disappointing Tyson was for much of his early career.

 

[Mainstreet]

Leuer is 6-10 and so is Kieff. Those guys will probably get minutes if they go small. I am torn about having another center. I would be worried the Len would not get enough minutes.

If there was anything I would change about this team right now it would be to exchange Kieff for a different starting pf.

Is there one potentially on the market?

I haven't heard of any trade rumors about a PF being on the trade market. Maybe there are but I haven't heard about it. McDonough really likes to keep things quiet anything. I was hoping the Suns might add a depth FA like Kevin Seraphin who plays center and PF but I doubt the Suns would pay the money.

Marcus and Markieff have a pretrial conference tomorrow (8-3-15) so I'm hoping things get resolved before going to trial. If this court thing is resolved, I'm guessing maybe the Suns will consider trading Markieff.

 

[bwgood77]

I don't think we need to compare them. They are the perfect platoon. They both are injury prone and they both are best playing 25+ minutes. And we have one vet to mentor and one young guy who could turn into a stud learning from him.

 

[Catlover]

I don't think we need to compare them. They are the perfect platoon. They both are injury prone and they both are best playing 25+ minutes. And we have one vet to mentor and one young guy who could turn into a stud learning from him.

Yeah I don't think there's going to be any shortage of minutes for either of them. And with Len's attitude this can only be a good thing for him.

 

[BC867]

BS867

Very funny!

 

[Errntknght]

oooops, should have used the quote function...

 

[sunsfan88]

Len ought to be getting lot more minutes than Chandler for remainder of the season barring foul trouble.