All the doom and gloom????

[Shane]

Now I will be the first to admit that I am stunned by this draft so far and am disgusted with the picks as they have turned out!

But who knows maybe these two will turn out to be world beaters. The possability of that is there wether anyone wants to believe it or not!

I know this is being somewhat of an optimist but just like you never know if a Suggs or Leftwich will be busts, you also dont know if some lower rated prospects will turn out to be hidden gems!

We still have June 1st the possability of signing M. Rob and the rest of this draft to hopefully make things better! HANG IN THERE!

I honestly cant believe all the people who say they are going to jump ship. I know most of you say that in gest. But if any of you are truly serious Im sorry but I say good riddance!

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Shane

I'm selling Japanese swords for anyone who wants to commit suicide.

Unfortunately no one wants to be a Cardinal fan.

 

[JeffGollin]

The so-called "experts" in the Cardinal front office have no clue about what it's like for Cardinal fans to go out into the world among their friends year after year to face the ridicule of being the draft patsies of the league yet again.

And they get paid for this?

 

[red desert]

Alright, who's drunk?

 

[ajcardfan]

Any good feeling the Cardinals gained from on the fence fans here that last few weeks with Smith signing and the stadium groundbreaking has just been lost. The way they fumbled this is just going to be hammered here and they will lose ticket sales. Pace and Johnson HAVE to pan out, or even more people will never trust this team at all.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
Pace and Johnson HAVE to pan out, or even more people will never trust this team at all.

They just might. So I see no reason to get our panties in a bunch!

Heck as far as anyone knows Pace could be the next Strahan and Suggs could be the next Burke!

I say that fully admitting I wanted Suggs!

 

[RedStorm]

Originally posted by Shane H
They just might. So I see no reason to get our panties in a bunch!

Heck as far as anyone knows Pace could be the next Strahan and Suggs could be the next Burke!

I say that fully admitting I wanted Suggs!

Pace has less of a chance to pan out than Suggs. Pace is far less rated. Read up on him.....How pathetic

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by RedStorm
Pace has less of a chance to pan out than Suggs. Pace is far less rated. Read up on him.....How pathetic

That means squat!

Im quite certain Strahan wasnt rated high either being that he was drafted in the 9th round!

YOU NEVER KNOW!

 

[jmr667]

Originally posted by Shane H
That means squat!

Im quite certain Strahan wasnt rated high either being that he was drafted in the 9th round!

YOU NEVER KNOW!

Yep. And I'm gonna go buy a lottery ticket today so I never have to go to work again.

 

[pinnacle]

actually...I do not like either pick at all..but in past years I have come away from the drafts and read the next day how we usually got an A- or B+ from all of the pundits...and in general I felt pretty good about our picks (tommy knight was the exception). Then a year or two later we look back and go..what a horrible draft that was...

So although this looks awful..we usually look good on draft day and they rarely pan out - so the fact that we will get an F for this draft probably means little..only time will tell. Something tells me that the cardinals had pace rately only slightly behind suggs...right now that looks very stupid..but time will tell..

 

[RedStorm]

Originally posted by Shane H
That means squat!

Im quite certain Strahan wasnt rated high either being that he was drafted in the 9th round!

YOU NEVER KNOW!

Yep...you never know...

Just open your eyes...Graves screwed up....beyond belief...I would can his rear on the spot.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
Any good feeling the Cardinals gained from on the fence fans here that last few weeks with Smith signing and the stadium groundbreaking has just been lost. The way they fumbled this is just going to be hammered here and they will lose ticket sales. Pace and Johnson HAVE to pan out, or even more people will never trust this team at all.

Hey AJ, did you wear your WTF? shirt today?

 

[JeffGollin]

That means squat! Im quite certain Strahan wasnt rated high either being that he was drafted in the 9th round!

There are exceptions to every rule.

But to follow your logic -

1. Less education makes you better informed than more education.

2. A Hyundai is a better car than a Mercedes.

3. DeJuan Groce is better than Newman.

Drafting as in life involves playing the percentages in the belief that over time, the odds will prevail.

The Cardinals are now in a position of where they have to pray that they luck out with riskier picks rather than simply make sure they develop more predictable picks in an effective manner.

 

[john h]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
The so-called "experts" in the Cardinal front office have no clue about what it's like for Cardinal fans to go out into the world among their friends year after year to face the ridicule of being the draft patsies of the league yet again.

And they get paid for this?

Jeff I just do not understand what is going through managements head. Take Suggs of Leftwich. They have a better chance on paper and according to the experts to succeed. Once again we pull sort of a Tom Knight. Who are these guys we drafted and were we truly after them at these high picks or were we just stupid thinking someone we really wanted would be there in the two slots. After this draft is finished I bet we end graded a D by the experts. I just do not get it.

 

[RedStorm]

Originally posted by john h
Jeff I just do not understand what is going through managements head. Take Suggs of Leftwich. They have a better chance on paper and according to the experts to succeed. Once again we pull sort of a Tom Knight. Who are these guys we drafted and were we truly after them at these high picks or were we just stupid thinking someone we really wanted would be there in the two slots. After this draft is finished I bet we end graded a D by the experts. I just do not get it.

This is written about Pace

Plays bigger and faster than his tests and times indicate


Did they not think that Suggs could do likewise??

 

[Rats]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
That means squat! Im quite certain Strahan wasnt rated high either being that he was drafted in the 9th round!

There are exceptions to every rule.

But to follow your logic -

1. Less education makes you better informed than more education.

2. A Hyundai is a better car than a Mercedes.

3. DeJuan Groce is better than Newman.

Drafting as in life involves playing the percentages in the belief that over time, the odds will prevail.

The Cardinals are now in a position of where they have to pray that they luck out with riskier picks rather than simply make sure they develop more predictable picks in an effective manner.

As you say yourself exceptions to the rule exist...but the supposed "experts" say well this guy is better because of measurables...and that guy is better because of his motor...your entire premise is that because better Pr makes better Players or Cars...is absurd. Education does not fit at all...as an example of what was being said. How can one player that runs a 4.37 and has a banner yr(Johnson) against Division 1 talent be worse than another guy that the "experts" say is more talented. I think this is why I don't read the BS Sheet anymore. Over analytical crap.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
That means squat! Im quite certain Strahan wasnt rated high either being that he was drafted in the 9th round!

There are exceptions to every rule.

But to follow your logic -

1. Less education makes you better informed than more education.

2. A Hyundai is a better car than a Mercedes.

3. DeJuan Groce is better than Newman.

Drafting as in life involves playing the percentages in the belief that over time, the odds will prevail.

The Cardinals are now in a position of where they have to pray that they luck out with riskier picks rather than simply make sure they develop more predictable picks in an effective manner.

Follow the whole thread Jeff.

If you read my initial post you would see that I also think we screwed up so that is not what I think. I am just saying that there is no reason to sit here and have complete doom and gloom when the bottom line is that these two guys could turn out to be world beaters.

The possability is there period!

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by Shane H
Follow the whole thread Jeff.

If you read my initial post you would see that I also think we screwed up so that is not what I think. I am just saying that there is no reason to sit here and have complete doom and gloom when the bottom line is that these two guys could turn out to be world beaters.

The possability is there period!

Such is the life of a Cardinals fan. Always grasping for straws like "could", "potential", "you never know", "next year" and "June 1".

Oh well, wtf. Gimme a straw and a glass of that kool-aid Shane.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Shane H
Follow the whole thread Jeff.

If you read my initial post you would see that I also think we screwed up so that is not what I think. I am just saying that there is no reason to sit here and have complete doom and gloom when the bottom line is that these two guys could turn out to be world beaters.

The possability is there period!

Yes they could. However, the Cards had better have seen something ALOT of other people didn't to take them when they did. I never saw one mock draft that had Johnson in round 1 let alone mid-round 1 so that to me is a reach (to use a draft term although I define reach differently I guess). Pace was at best a 2nd rounder from what I read and most had him in the 3rd round.

Sorry Shane, but this is a poor draft thus far at least in my opinion. Forget the trade, which although in the big picture I liked what they were trying to do, because they got skunked on that and I hope Graves learned a lesson (also it sounded like NO was really hardballing them and he REALLY wanted to trade.

At this point I would rather have Suggs...which as you know says alot coming from me. These guys may turn out but I am very skeptical and refuse to even try and positive spin this one.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Yes they could. However, the Cards had better have seen something ALOT of other people didn't to take them when they did. I never saw one mock draft that had Johnson in round 1 let alone mid-round 1 so that to me is a reach (to use a draft term although I define reach differently I guess). Pace was at best a 2nd rounder from what I read and most had him in the 3rd round.

Sorry Shane, but this is a poor draft thus far at least in my opinion. Forget the trade, which although in the big picture I liked what they were trying to do, because they got skunked on that and I hope Graves learned a lesson (also it sounded like NO was really hardballing them and he REALLY wanted to trade.

At this point I would rather have Suggs...which as you know says alot coming from me. These guys may turn out but I am very skeptical and refuse to even try and positive spin this one.

Like I said i also think this is a poor draft so far that I am not disputing. But Im not gonna sit here and cry like a baby over it either. WHATS DONE IS DONE!

The Cards go out and supposedly have good drafts and I get all excited with MY "CARDINAL KOOL-AID" and I end up being let down.

This draft with which I hate so far and am not excited about could turn out good the bottom line is nobody really knows yet! So there you have it I will take this draft hope these guys end up being worl beaters and move on!

Becasue plain and simply I will be A CARDINALS FAN FOR LIFE!!!!

 

[ny redbird]

Originally posted by AZCB34
[d. I never saw one mock draft that had Johnson in round 1 let alone mid-round 1 so that to me is a reach (to use a draft term although I define reach differently I guess).


The Sporting News had johnson going in the first round of the draft @ #26!

I also Believe every player they drafted should have been a 2nd rounder. they overpaid on the first two and got value on the last 2. If you look at the draft my way , We are a better team tonight than we were this morning. Keep your heads up. There are still some future Pro-bowlers out there for day 2. Lets hope we can snag them

 

[ajcardfan]

Yeah, it's not over. We can still be better than last year if the O-line stays healthy and we improve our special teams a bunch.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Yes they could. However, the Cards had better have seen something ALOT of other people didn't to take them when they did. I never saw one mock draft that had Johnson in round 1 let alone mid-round 1 so that to me is a reach (to use a draft term although I define reach differently I guess). Pace was at best a 2nd rounder from what I read and most had him in the 3rd round.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but since when has the draft gone according to the mock drafts? The truth is we will probably never know which teams might have had Johnson as someone they would have taken in the first round. Same goes for Pace.

Everybody (media) was projecting them to go lower, but they both had good workout numbers. The teams that actually do the drafting might have felt they were better than second and third round players.

Joe Mama

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by ny redbird

I also Believe every player they drafted should have been a 2nd rounder. they overpaid on the first two and got value on the last 2. If you look at the draft my way , We are a better team tonight than we were this morning. Keep your heads up. There are still some future Pro-bowlers out there for day 2. Lets hope we can snag them

I am not saying the Cards are worse off. No. I find it hard to believe any team is worse off tonight than they were when the day started. My problem is I believe they could have been so much better off. Like you said, let's hope the day 2 and UDFA magic is still there and this can have a happier ending.