Am I The Only Person Who Thinks That 'Heart' Is a Load Of Crap?

[Brandon_Webb]

Everyones like 'You can't buy heart' among other things. I think it's nonsense. Describe you mean by this. A player who tries hard? If the player doesn't try hard he shouldn't be in the big leagues anyway.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Everyones like 'You can't buy heart' among other things. I think it's nonsense. Describe you mean by this. A player who tries hard? If the player doesn't try hard he shouldn't be in the big leagues anyway.

I'm saying douchebags like Gary Sheffield who never produces in the playoffs, takes steriods or guys like A-Rod who go to Texas - the worst team in baseball because of money - or guys like Kevin Brown who think world should bow down to their every win - - don't have the heart of players who will do everything within their power - and WITHIN THE RULES to win.

Those three guys were the key additions to the Yankees this year - there is a reason Sheffield and Brown have been called caners and I don't think it's just a coincidence that A-Rod's former team immediately plays better the year after he leaves.

That is what I'm saying about buying talent - but not being able to buy heart.

 

[Brandon_Webb]

Alright, I see now. I was thinking of something diffrent.

 

[KingofCards]

I don't think "heart" is overrated at all.

It is an intangible that only some people possess. You can tell the people that have it and the people the don't.

It occurs in real life as well.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

Only thing that I would deem as a "load of crap" is when someone classifies a player as a "gamer".... That usually means they lack talent, so they're trying to come-up with some positive way to describe the player....

 

[AZZenny]

Good answer, King - I was going to say - if you've never seen it in life, you must be fairly young.

I think it is also situational to a degree - in different types of circumstances, different people can bear down and find something extra they didn't know they had in them.

 

[KingofCards]

Only thing that I would deem as a "load of crap" is when someone classifies a player as a "gamer".... That usually means they lack talent, so they're trying to come-up with some positive way to describe the player....

Yeah, I think it all goes back to the word "talent".

Kind of like potential. Every team needs a couple guys that don't have quantified talent and have no potential, but just get the job done.

Potential just means you haven't done anything.

There are many people that have something besides size and speed that are able to excell in major league sports.

You can call it "heart" or being a "gamer" but I think they have the desire to win regardless.

Labels at times just pidgeon hole someone for the media and fans sake. Its the players that want wins over stats that I respect.

 

[Gee!]

Craig Counsell anyone?

 

[KingofCards]

Craig Counsell anyone?

Funny, I was thinking of Counsell when I made my post.

2 rings for that guy.

I think of Wayne Chrebet walking on to the Jets from Hoftstra. Pat Tillman fits this as well.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I accidentally deleted my initial post in this thread (and also deleted another response before I posted it)....

Anyways.... "natural" talent or having "unlimited potential" doesnt mean anything whatsoever with having any dedication, heart, and determination....

How many instances have we heard a player possesses those "5-Tools", however, that potential goes "untapped" because they dont put any effort into it... become "nonchalant"...or even if they realize their talent/ability..they immediately become complacent and take everything for granted.....

As most know...I grew-up in the Detroit suburbs and rooted for the Tigers, Lions, Pistons, and Red Wings (since of course all my allegiances changed for the AZ/Phoenix teams)..... I was blessed with watching the likes of
Kirk Gibson, Chris Spielman, Joe Dumars, Bill Laimbeer, and Dennis Rodman.. True, there were several other players who emerged in Detroit during that time, but I cite those specifically because they werent blessed with the most talent, however, they all studied the game immensely and always honed their skills....True...Rodman became a "menace" as his career progressed, but he defied the odds at the beginning when he first started out by spending countless hours working on his game........

There are of course those players who allow outside distractions affect their development or once they accomplish records or earn a lucrative deal, they no longer care......

It also sparks an interesting debate..... People often wonder why a player like Ted Williams didnt make a good manager, however, let's say for the sake of "the now"....Terry Francona makes an excellent one......

Williams had that "god-given" talent...the sheer ability to hit, but probably took all of that for granted and didnt know how to convey it to younger players who dont even so remotely approach his level....Therefore, he would lose his patience and that was why he was doomed in that capacity from the start...

Francona was able to play 10-years in the Majors, however, he made an immense impact...but he fully realized what it took to last that long and got everything out of his ability....That also took lots of heart as well...the fact that he never gave-up...and that resilience now can be traced to his effort in this post-season.....

 

[KingofCards]

It takes immense talent to even sniff the Big leagues.

It is hard to compare sports. Many power forwards in the NBA would be good tightends in the NFL Many leadoff hitters would be good cbs, pitchers to QB's. 1st and 3rd baseman and outfielders as linebackers and safeties. Point guards as lead off.

I think the best of the best play baseball.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

It takes immense talent to even sniff the Big leagues.

It is hard to compare sports. Many power forwards in the NBA would be good tightends in the NFL Many leadoff hitters would be good cbs, pitchers to QB's. 1st and 3rd baseman and outfielders as linebackers and safeties. Point guards as lead off.

I think the best of the best play baseball.

Solid points.....

That's why it's more difficult for a baseball rookie to make an immediate impact compared to the other 3 professional sports (probably Hockey, however, I cant reflect on that particular sport now due to the obvious)...

In football...it's a matter of.... is that player fast or strong enough? Basketball, is he tall enough...how well does he leap/jump... probably in certain regards...how well is his vision to be able to see the court (IE point guard).....

Baseball...true...that player can hit the fastball.. but how about the curveball? Can that player make the necessary adjustments so he/she can last long enough....... The player must make sure that they study the game-tapes so they can counter against those obstacles.....

Yes, both coordination (which is one essential element for baseball) and speed (which is required on both sides of the ball in football in order to survive in the pros) cant be taught/learned, but over-all skills can... just it takes dedication and strong desire......