amares stats

[nowagimp]

Interesting to see amares crunch time stats from this year vs last

this year:

http://www.82games.com/0809/08PHO12.HTM

and last year:


http://www.82games.com/0708/07PHO15E.HTM


to summarize briefly, his shooting is down 10% in the crunch, while his baskets are assisted much less in percentage, especially late in the clock. I understand why he is frustrated with his performance.

Actually I made an error, the 08 stats were for the whole game, the 07 were in the clutch(4th quarter and OT). Its even worse than I feared. Amare has a eFG% of 25% in the clutch/crunch this year, vs 58% last year, a whopping 33% drop in eFG% in the clutch.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08PHO12.HTM#clutch

At the same time I checked the numbers for Nash and they are similarly awful this year vs last.

 

[Cheesebeef]

is it just me, or in the last couple weeks, does he not seem to have that burst to get around his man when facing up like he has in the past? stoked his rebounding is up in the last 5 games, but he just looks kind of... I don't know, lost on offense (a weird thing to say when he's got 10 games straight of 20 or more points).

 

[Rab]

is it just me, or in the last couple weeks, does he not seem to have that burst to get around his man when facing up like he has in the past? stoked his rebounding is up in the last 5 games, but he just looks kind of... I don't know, lost on offense (a weird thing to say when he's got 10 games straight of 20 or more points).

It's not just you. I feel the same, and have felt that way almost all year. Then I did notice that he's been wearing a knee brace the last 2 or 3 games. I may be getting paranoid based on his history, but it does make me wonder.

 

[mojorizen7]

He looks indecisive when he gets the ball more often than not it seems. Like he's thinking too much instead of either pulling up quickly for his outside shot or driving.
I also noticed his lift isn't there when he elevates around the rim or on 3 step* drives to the basket.

*hey they all do it right?

 

[Cheesebeef]

okay, so it's not just me.

what's weird is that he came out of the gates with that explosion. I mean, that game against the Pacers he looked as quick and as explosive as he's ever been.

and last year at the end of the season (sans the playoffs) the guy looked like a scorer of Kobe or Lebron's level. I know we're running a different offense, but he just doesn't look like the same player right now.

 

[nowagimp]

Here is nash 44% eFG in the crunch during 4th quarter and OT this year.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08PHO1.HTM#clutch

And last year nash was 72% in the same secenario:


http://www.82games.com/0708/07PHO1E.HTM


Seems like the new offense has not been positive there. the upside is that they can only get better from here as both guys are playing well below their offensive capabilities in the clutch.

Any time a radical change is made, it takes reps for the players to make the adjustments. If this is the case here, that the system has led to poor clutch performance, the suns need to get alot of reps fast. they cannot afford to have their "go to guy" shooting 25% in 4th quarter and OT crunch situations.


Also shaq has dropped from 67% to 20% eFG% in those same situations, 4th and OT in crunch time,(looks up at 82 games.com). More evidence that its a teamwide problem, not just amare, and not just shaq. Reps should lead to improvments, but I hope it doesnt take too long.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

is it just me, or in the last couple weeks, does he not seem to have that burst to get around his man when facing up like he has in the past? stoked his rebounding is up in the last 5 games, but he just looks kind of... I don't know, lost on offense (a weird thing to say when he's got 10 games straight of 20 or more points).

dude totally. he seems to get "stuck" in the paint wayyyyy more often than he used to, even from the beginning of the season! Its quite the culture shock to watch when all youre used to is the ball going in the hoop 0.8 seconds after he gets it.

 

[AfroSuns]

It's not just you. I feel the same, and have felt that way almost all year. Then I did notice that he's been wearing a knee brace the last 2 or 3 games. I may be getting paranoid based on his history, but it does make me wonder.

That same exact thought has crossed my mind. I am hoping it is just paranoia.

 

[Covert Rain]

This stat is pretty empty. The Suns are only 25 games in and only 5 games meet the criteria for Clutch efg%. That stat is only tracked when a game is in the 4th quarter or overtime, has less than 5 minutes left and neither team ahead by more than 5 points.

So, I don't put any stock into that number at all. Even 1 game can really skew the average when only 5 games have met the criteria. I would be more interested in what the stat looks like in about a month or so.

 

[Kablansky]

The stats reflect what I see on the court

I can't tell whether Amare's performance is a bruised ego, the system or injury related. He doesn't have the explosive attack going right now, but will show one off every so often. He looks lost, to put it simply

 

[Irish]

I think the problem is simple. When the offense had Nash with the ball 90% of the time, things went well. Go away from that so he's not running on fumes in the playoffs and the team is not as effective. Whether its Bell or Amare and everyone else, the transition is proving very hard.

 

[mojorizen7]

The stats reflect what I see on the court

I can't tell whether Amare's performance is a bruised ego, the system or injury related. He doesn't have the explosive attack going right now, but will show one off every so often. He looks lost, to put it simply

Knowing what i do about how Amare operates upstairs.....it's probably ego related and that would be a good thing. Hopefully there are no issues with his knee(s).

 

[mojorizen7]

I think the problem is simple. When the offense had Nash with the ball 90% of the time, things went well. Go away from that so he's not running on fumes in the playoffs and the team is not as effective. Whether its Bell or Amare and everyone else, the transition is proving very hard.

Glad to see you posting again Irish. I thought it strange how over the summer you couldn't find a page on this forum without you in it....then you vanished when the games began.

 

[Proteus]

Could it be that that extra minutes Amare is playing this season are having an effect?

 

[TommyT]

Where exactly are you getting these stats from? I went to both links and Amare is at 64.3 eFG% in the clutch this year and was at 50 eFG% in the clutch last year. That is what you call a improvement. Never mind you excluded his shots in the first 15 seconds of the shot clock. You do understand that the crunch time of the clutch stats is only with 8 or seconds left on the shot clock in 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points. Im guessing he has taken less than 10 shots in that situation all year long. lol

 

[Cheesebeef]

Where exactly are you getting these stats from? I went to both links and Amare is at 64.3 eFG% in the clutch this year and was at 50 eFG% in the clutch last year. That is what you call a improvement. Never mind you excluded his shots in the first 15 seconds of the shot clock. You do understand that the crunch time of the clutch stats is only with 8 or seconds left on the shot clock in 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points. Im guessing he has taken less than 10 shots in that situation all year long. lol

yeah, I', a little confused as well. I just clicked on the links and saw the 64% thing on this year's crunch/clutch stats. didn't even see the crunch stats for 2007-8 on the link provided.

 

[cly2tw]

Forget the stats, on stats, DA's players and teams should win everything possible year in and year out!