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I wonder how many theaters will close because of Covid?


Who is up for going to the movies anytime soon?
 

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I think this is a "for now" thing. Everyone is posturing.
 

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This couldn't be worse timing. AMC, Regal they are all being *****! Honestly, if you are going to take a stand they should have done this years ago when Direct TV rolled out the "still in theaters" with other services.

Doing so now, during a pandemic, when people are starving for content?

Morons. I won't step into another AMC or Regal or any other theater that takes this stance.
 

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This couldn't be worse timing. AMC, Regal they are all being *****! Honestly, if you are going to take a stand they should have done this years ago when Direct TV rolled out the "still in theaters" with other services.

Doing so now, during a pandemic, when people are starving for content?

Morons. I won't step into another AMC or Regal or any other theater that takes this stance.
Don't worry, if they don't carry a lot of big movies, you won't have to.

But they do have a point. They need people to go to the movies to pay their bills. If a major movie studio decides to release movies at home AND in the theater at the same time, like it or not, that is a huge chunk of the population that will decide to not go to the movies, not when they could avoid spending 100 bucks for 4 people and see the same movie at home for 20 bucks. Let's say in a fantasy world, theaters cut their prices IN HALF, that would still be 50 vs 20 bucks.

The timing is suspect, but I don't blame the theaters AT ALL for taking this stance. This is not a little thing, this is a BIG deal.
 
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Don't worry, if they don't carry a lot of big movies, you won't have to.

But they do have a point. They need people to go to the movies to pay their bills. If a major movie studio decides to release movies at home AND in the theater at the same time, like it or not, that is a huge chunk of the population that will decide to not go to the movies, not when they could avoid spending 100 bucks for 4 people and see the same movie at home for 20 bucks. Let's say in a fantasy world, theaters cut their prices IN HALF, that would still be 50 vs 20 bucks.

The timing is suspect, but I don't blame the theaters AT ALL for taking this stance. This is not a little thing, this is a BIG deal.

Very true. I mean, it's not like the box office is where the big money for the theaters is, but if they're not coming through the doors, they aren't buying concessions.
 

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I seem to remember reading an article predicting that in a few short years, theaters will be dead and all movies will be streamed.

Gawd, I hope not. I don't care what kind of home theater set up you have, nothing beats a movie in full big screen or IMAX, with today's sound. Nothing... NOTHING comes close.
 

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Don't worry, if they don't carry a lot of big movies, you won't have to.

But they do have a point. They need people to go to the movies to pay their bills. If a major movie studio decides to release movies at home AND in the theater at the same time, like it or not, that is a huge chunk of the population that will decide to not go to the movies, not when they could avoid spending 100 bucks for 4 people and see the same movie at home for 20 bucks. Let's say in a fantasy world, theaters cut their prices IN HALF, that would still be 50 vs 20 bucks.

The timing is suspect, but I don't blame the theaters AT ALL for taking this stance. This is not a little thing, this is a BIG deal.

That's why I said it was horrible timing. I don't blame them for taking a stand per se from a business standpoint. I think it's absolute horrible timing. Now isn't the time. There are very few people that are going to see this as sympathetic for the theaters when their lives are turned upside down and they are starving for new content.

All you do is piss people off. You piss the average moviegoer off and good luck every recovering your business.

I don't want theaters to go out of business either. I get why they are nervous and worried about what is going on. I also think AMC and the others are coming off like *****. Seriously, so many better ways to address this. I personally won't be going near an AMC theater or any other that jumps on this bandwagon.


I seem to remember reading an article predicting that in a few short years, theaters will be dead and all movies will be streamed.

Gawd, I hope not. I don't care what kind of home theater set up you have, nothing beats a movie in full big screen or IMAX, with today's sound. Nothing... NOTHING comes close.

Yeah...sort of disagree, specifically on the sound part. Sure, you can't really replicate the size of the screen (like IMAX) but I know many people in the same hobby as me (home theater) and very happy with their 120" or bigger screen. Plus keep in mind because you are closer the amount of space that fills your eye line is similar to sitting 5X the distance in an actual theater.

In terms of sound, sure, you can fit more speakers in an actual theater but I have the latest sound (ATMOS) setup in mine and it rocks. I know others that have much better setups than mine and trust me that the sound setups are just as good as theaters (minus the number of speakers). Plus unlike a large theater I can fine tune the sound stage where in a theater it's setup to try and appease a really wide set of listening positions.

Is it 100% the same? No but it's pretty damn close to a theater experience. The quality of home theater equipment isn't the problem. It's the price barrier and space. Not everyone has the space or budget. So having a really good setup is not an option for most.

I hope it doesn't go that way either because I do agree nothing beats watching an epic film on the big screen on IMAX for example but not necessarily because of the size of the screen or the sound (although important). You can't replicate feeling the response of the crowd in a theater. To me that is the biggest part you can't get at home. Nothing is cooler than being part of a crowd reaction. That to me is the best part of the movie going experience. Just hearing a crowed cheer for the appearance of Han Solo or when Cap picked up Mjölnir....nothing beats that.
 
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That's why I said it was horrible timing. I don't blame them for taking a stand per say from a business standpoint. I think it's absolute horrible timing. Now isn't the time. There are very few people that are going to see this as sympathetic for the theaters when their lives are turned upside down and they are starving for new content.

All you do is piss people off. You piss the average moviegoer off and good luck every recovering your business.

I don't want theaters to go out of business either. I get why they are nervous and worried about what is going on. I also think AMC and the others are coming off like *****. Seriously, so many better ways to address this. I personally won't be going near an AMC theater or any other that jumps on this bandwagon.




Yeah...sort of disagree, specifically on the sound part. Sure, you can't really replicate the size of the screen (like IMAX) but I know many people in the same hobby as me (home theater) and very happy with their 120" or bigger screen. Plus keep in mind because you are closer the amount of space that fills your eye line is similar to sitting 5X the distance in an actual theater.

In terms of sound, sure, you can fit more speakers in an actual theater but I have the latest sound (ATMOS) setup in mine and it rocks. I know others that have much better setups than mine and trust me that the sound setups are just as good as theaters (minus the number of speakers). Plus unlike a large theater I can fine tune the sound stage where in a theater it's setup to try and appease a really wide set of listening positions.

Is it 100% the same? No but it's pretty damn close to a theater experience. The quality of home theater equipment isn't the problem. It's the price barrier and space. Not everyone has the space or budget. So having a really good setup is not an option for most.

I hope it doesn't go that way either because I do agree nothing beats watching an epic film on the big screen on IMAX for example but not necessarily because of the size of the screen or the sound (although important). You can't replicate feeling the response of the crowd in a theater. To me that is the biggest part you can't get at home. Nothing is cooler than being part of a crowd reaction. That to me is the best part of the movie going experience. Just hearing a crowed cheer for the appearance of Han Solo or when Cap picked up Mjölnir....nothing beats that.
Really, the crowd thing is a big deal for a moviegoer. I'm a huge fan of the movie theater experience.

But being able to build out a home theater in your home is a unique thing and if you rent or live in an apartment, you're limited in your options.
 

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I seem to remember reading an article predicting that in a few short years, theaters will be dead and all movies will be streamed.

Gawd, I hope not. I don't care what kind of home theater set up you have, nothing beats a movie in full big screen or IMAX, with today's sound. Nothing... NOTHING comes close.

I'll take my home theater setup over a movie theater every day of the week. I don't a screen as big as IMAX but with distance between seating and screen I'm at the same field of vision as a theater. For sound, I haven't been in a theater that beats my set-up. I'm running a full 7.x.6 Atmos system with enough subs that are set up correctly that I'm flat down to single digits plus I have tactile response devices hooked up for extra ULF experience. No theater can match me down. You feel every explosion and gun shot here. I'm not alone either. I have a couple buddies in down with system that can keep up with mine and I know a lot of guy online that are as capable too.

I'm against the grain with @Chaplin and @Covert Rain in that I don't like the crowd experience at the theater. If I do go to a theater it's never opening weekend for a big movie and I try to do off time showings. The talking, cell phones, etc. annoy me. So I prefer the home theater setting too. Plus, I can pause when I need to go pee and get a new drink. :)
 

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I'll take my home theater setup over a movie theater every day of the week. I don't a screen as big as IMAX but with distance between seating and screen I'm at the same field of vision as a theater. For sound, I haven't been in a theater that beats my set-up. I'm running a full 7.x.6 Atmos system with enough subs that are set up correctly that I'm flat down to single digits plus I have tactile response devices hooked up for extra ULF experience. No theater can match me down. You feel every explosion and gun shot here. I'm not alone either. I have a couple buddies in down with system that can keep up with mine and I know a lot of guy online that are as capable too.

I'm against the grain with @Chaplin and @Covert Rain in that I don't like the crowd experience at the theater. If I do go to a theater it's never opening weekend for a big movie and I try to do off time showings. The talking, cell phones, etc. annoy me. So I prefer the home theater setting too. Plus, I can pause when I need to go pee and get a new drink. :)

We're just going to have to respectively disagree. My son has a 75" 4k Samsung tv with an absolutely killer sound system and you know what? It just ain't the same, no matter how hard you try to talk yourself into it..... ;)
 

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We're just going to have to respectively disagree. My son has a 75" 4k Samsung tv with an absolutely killer sound system and you know what? It just ain't the same, no matter how hard you try to talk yourself into it..... ;)

75"?? That's not comparable to a big screen home theater setup. I have a 75" OLED in a different room. Aside from the inky blacks I wouldn't trade. I have heard multiple at home sound systems that will blow your socks off. Mine is not the best in the world. If I was talking myself into it I would tell you it's the best ever. It's not even close. I have friends who sunk 10K in just the sound. Never going to happen with me. I enjoy being married and I can live with good. Recently I added 4 ATMOS ceiling speakers to my setup but I am in the process of adding two more surround channels. I am working on it and plan on doing a complete remodel in the next year or so.

If your son's is OK, that probably has to do with the quality of his speakers, the array (setup), the pre-amps or the AVR. What kind of calibration was done? Does he have ATMOS on the receiver? ATMOS speakers (2, 4, ?)? Is the room dedicated with acoustic wall paneling? So many different reasons it just sounds OK, I guarantee you would feel different with a high quality equipment and a proper calibration.

I don't invest in my hobby to invest in it. I have returned and upgraded many pieces of equipment because I either didn't like the performance or I upgraded for example to ATMOS. I don't talk my self into anything. I hate wasting money. It actually kills me to get rid of old equipment and I need a damn good reason to do it.

I'm against the grain with @Chaplin and @Covert Rain in that I don't like the crowd experience at the theater. If I do go to a theater it's never opening weekend for a big movie and I try to do off time showings. The talking, cell phones, etc. annoy me. So I prefer the home theater setting too. Plus, I can pause when I need to go pee and get a new drink. :)

To each their own. I simply love the crowd experience. It's my #1 reason to go to the aside form seeing a movie I really want to see.
 
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75"?? That's not comparable to a big screen home theater setup. I have a 75" OLED in a different room. Aside from the inky blacks I wouldn't trade.

75" screen really depends on how far you're sitting from it. If you're at about 5.5' then it'll be close to the same field of view as a good seat in a theater (about 52°). Most people don't sit that close at home to the TV though.

I have heard multiple at home sound systems that will blow your socks off. Mine is not the best in the world. If I was talking myself into it I would tell you it's the best ever. It's not even close. I have friends who sunk 10K in just the sound. Never going to happen with me. I enjoy being married and I can live with good. Recently I added 4 ATMOS ceiling speakers to my setup but I am in the process of adding two more surround channels. I am working on it and plan on doing a complete remodel in the next year or so.

If your son's is OK, that probably has to do with the quality of his speakers, the array (setup), the pre-amps or the AVR. What kind of calibration was done? Does he have ATMOS on the receiver? ATMOS speakers (2, 4, ?)? Is the room dedicated with acoustic wall paneling? So many different reasons it just sounds OK, I guarantee you would feel different with a high quality equipment and a proper calibration.

I don't invest in my hobby to invest in it. I have returned and upgraded many pieces of equipment because I either didn't like the performance or I upgraded for example to ATMOS. I don't talk my self into anything. I hate wasting money. It actually kills me to get rid of old equipment and I need a damn good reason to do it..

Exactly. There's a lot that go into having good sound other than buying speakers. I'm at about 18k right now for my current audio set-up, including the room treatments, plus over a 1000 hours of time over the last two years. All of the speakers are properly placed for the locations and angles that Dolby specs out, the corners have bass traps, walls acoustic panels, etc. I’ve calibrated everything by hand to get a a flat frequency response in room down to 8 hz at reference level. The sound system in a theater does not match what I have in my house. I know how the theaters are spaced. Everyone is always amazed when I demo stuff here.


You guys probably consider me insane with what I've spent both in dollars and time on my setup. It's my hobby though and something I enjoy doing in my free time. Building everything is something I find to be fun and it keeps me occupied.
 

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75" screen really depends on how far you're sitting from it. If you're at about 5.5' then it'll be close to the same field of view as a good seat in a theater (about 52°). Most people don't sit that close at home to the TV though.



Exactly. There's a lot that go into having good sound other than buying speakers. I'm at about 18k right now for my current audio set-up, including the room treatments, plus over a 1000 hours of time over the last two years. All of the speakers are properly placed for the locations and angles that Dolby specs out, the corners have bass traps, walls acoustic panels, etc. I’ve calibrated everything by hand to get a a flat frequency response in room down to 8 hz at reference level. The sound system in a theater does not match what I have in my house. I know how the theaters are spaced. Everyone is always amazed when I demo stuff here.


You guys probably consider me insane with what I've spent both in dollars and time on my setup. It's my hobby though and something I enjoy doing in my free time. Building everything is something I find to be fun and it keeps me occupied.
You're not crazy. It's your thing. But a majority of the world aren't going to have the resources that you have.
 

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You're not crazy. It's your thing. But a majority of the world aren't going to have the resources that you have.

Although I will tell you, I have have seen in person some really awesome HT put together on shoe string budgets. People looking for used equipment, refurbished, buying things on the cheap and put together some awesome stuff. I had a friend who bought a set of speakers that were in mint condition for $350 and they retailed for about 2K. Divorce scenario.
 

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Although I will tell you, I have have seen in person some really awesome HT put together on shoe string budgets. People looking for used equipment, refurbished, buying things on the cheap and put together some awesome stuff. I had a friend who bought a set of speakers that were in mint condition for $350 and they retailed for about 2K. Divorce scenario.
How many people have you personally seen 5? 10 at the most? The ratio of people that either have major home theater setups (or at least the means to have them) is MASSIVELY in favor of the people that need a movie theater to have the experience. And that's even with throwing out the people that don't care about home theater or cinemas. I live in LA, and I can confidently say that maybe 2 people I know have nice home theater setups, and nothing like 18k.
 

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How many people have you personally seen 5? 10 at the most? The ratio of people that either have major home theater setups (or at least the means to have them) is MASSIVELY in favor of the people that need a movie theater to have the experience. And that's even with throwing out the people that don't care about home theater or cinemas. I live in LA, and I can confidently say that maybe 2 people I know have nice home theater setups, and nothing like 18k.

Probably more like 30. However, we agree. As stated, price and space is the barrier. I was only pointing out that you CAN in fact setup one up with a shoestring budget that doesn't come anywhere close to 18K.
 

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I'll take my home theater setup over a movie theater every day of the week. I don't a screen as big as IMAX but with distance between seating and screen I'm at the same field of vision as a theater. For sound, I haven't been in a theater that beats my set-up. I'm running a full 7.x.6 Atmos system with enough subs that are set up correctly that I'm flat down to single digits plus I have tactile response devices hooked up for extra ULF experience. No theater can match me down. You feel every explosion and gun shot here. I'm not alone either. I have a couple buddies in down with system that can keep up with mine and I know a lot of guy online that are as capable too.

I'm against the grain with @Chaplin and @Covert Rain in that I don't like the crowd experience at the theater. If I do go to a theater it's never opening weekend for a big movie and I try to do off time showings. The talking, cell phones, etc. annoy me. So I prefer the home theater setting too. Plus, I can pause when I need to go pee and get a new drink. :)

Wow. I'm building a theater soon, but I don't think I have it in me to do X.X.6. SIX? Single digits? That is overkill for any theater and I'm sure you won't see any commercial theaters in the single digits. I am targeting around 15.

I'm also with you. I used to work at a movie theater as a teen and I can't take the crowd either. There is always someone talking right next to me that ruins the movie, and I'm not even talking about the wife.....
 

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Although I will tell you, I have have seen in person some really awesome HT put together on shoe string budgets. People looking for used equipment, refurbished, buying things on the cheap and put together some awesome stuff. I had a friend who bought a set of speakers that were in mint condition for $350 and they retailed for about 2K. Divorce scenario.

Very true, you can put a very capable system together for cheaper if you pick up used equipment. You can also save a ton DIY. I bought my front stage new and it was almost 1/3 of that total. After that I got into DIY since I had also been doing some woodworking as a hobby and had the tools. I've saved a ton of money on subwoofers and making custom stands and other equipment. It's also why I have over 1000 hours into my setup. It's fun to build and experiment.

Wow. I'm building a theater soon, but I don't think I have it in me to do X.X.6. SIX? Single digits? That is overkill for any theater and I'm sure you won't see any commercial theaters in the single digits. I am targeting around 15.

The 6 is the number of overhead speakers for Atmos and DTS:X. So 6 gives front LR, middle LR, and read LR. Middle number is the number of subs. And technically the x.x.x is the number of channels, not speakers. So I'd be a 7.2.6 system.

And yes, single digits. You can actually feel test tones down to 3 Hz with the transducers. I have a 24" sub far field and then 4 15" subs VNF. I then have my seating on a small riser that has 8 12" subs built into it in an open baffle configuration. They don't produce sound but they make it so that you can feel ULF (<20 Hz that you can't hear). It makes for a really fun experience. If the movie has good sound design you feel all of the explosions, gun shots, and other effects.

Hit me up when get ready to build and I can fill you in on things for it.
 

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Very true, you can put a very capable system together for cheaper if you pick up used equipment. You can also save a ton DIY. I bought my front stage new and it was almost 1/3 of that total. After that I got into DIY since I had also been doing some woodworking as a hobby and had the tools. I've saved a ton of money on subwoofers and making custom stands and other equipment. It's also why I have over 1000 hours into my setup. It's fun to build and experiment.



The 6 is the number of overhead speakers for Atmos and DTS:X. So 6 gives front LR, middle LR, and read LR. Middle number is the number of subs. And technically the x.x.x is the number of channels, not speakers. So I'd be a 7.2.6 system.

And yes, single digits. You can actually feel test tones down to 3 Hz with the transducers. I have a 24" sub far field and then 4 15" subs VNF. I then have my seating on a small riser that has 8 12" subs built into it in an open baffle configuration. They don't produce sound but they make it so that you can feel ULF (<20 Hz that you can't hear). It makes for a really fun experience. If the movie has good sound design you feel all of the explosions, gun shots, and other effects.

Hit me up when get ready to build and I can fill you in on things for it.

My old house I had 11 but in my new house I am at 7 as well. Honestly, I am happy with 7. We should start another thread with speaker and equipment recommendations.
 

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