Amos Jones will NOT be fired this season

[eastcoastSUN]

Reading into BA's post-game presser, he immediately shifted the blame of the missed FG attempt to the Refs and how they missed the call "we'll get a BS excuse this week"... By not holding his coach accountable, this in itself is every indication that his buddy Amos will be safe for the foreseeable future.

To fix what ails you, one must go to the root of the problem. Catman missing FGs is a symptom of the disease, and that disease is our ST coach.

It behooves me to think that even a middle school FB coach could adjust to how the Seahawks were timing their jumps during our FG tries:

1. All Amos has to do is tell Brewer to literally lift his head, hand, ANY body part as soon as he hikes the ball. Wagner would surely get called for some type of penalty if the contact is egregious and Brewer is taught to sell the hit. Did you see Watford try to get in hand in to impede Wagner's movement? I can almost guarantee you that was on his own volition and not due to any "in-game" coaching.

2. Let's say scenario #1 above won't work, because the play happens so fast that Brewer won't have time to react. THEN change the snap count so that you throw off the timing or even get the damn opponent to jump off sides.
counter-argument: FG attemps are all about timing so they don't have time to adjust in-game.
Well then, why the eff doesn't Amos get his players to practice different snap counts during the week? What are they actually doing during their practices...?

3. In God's name, what kind of moron thinks it's OK to send out your smallest RB as punt protector during that Punt block. This really boggles my mind more than anything else.

The board seems split on how the season will progress now that we are 3-3-1. We would be 6-1, or 5-2 at worst, had we converted on these dumb ST mistakes.

Where do we go from here, knowing that Amos will be safe for the season? Discuss...

 

[MadCardDisease]

No way they fire a coach mid season. I just don't see it happening at this point and I don't think it will help short term.

Now I think Keim may make a move as soon as the season is over if things don't change quickly on ST.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Bulls fired a coordinator mid season and seems to have worked out fine.

BA has to hold Amos accountable. He talks trash about his players in the media. He HAS to hold Amos accountable. It is his most glaring weakness as a coach. And presently it's his undoing. Have to believe Amos has to see this coming

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

And how the press hasn't killed that guy I don't know. Soft sports town.

 

[kerouac9]

Bulls fired a coordinator mid season and seems to have worked out fine.

BA has to hold Amos accountable. He talks trash about his players in the media. He HAS to hold Amos accountable. It is his most glaring weakness as a coach. And presently it's his undoing. Have to believe Amos has to see this coming

It's weird how terrible our special teams has become almost overnight. Remember when Patrick Peterson was the most dangerous returner in the game? That's gone. Remember Justin Bethel and Calais Campbell knocking down an impossible number of field goal attempts? It's not like those guys just disappeared.

That said, I don't think it make much of a difference if you replace Jones now. People wondered why Kerwynn Williams can't keep a job. You just saw why.

 

[Buckybird]

It's weird how terrible our special teams has become almost overnight. Remember when Patrick Peterson was the most dangerous returner in the game? That's gone. Remember Justin Bethel and Calais Campbell knocking down an impossible number of field goal attempts? It's not like those guys just disappeared.

That said, I don't think it make much of a difference if you replace Jones now. People wondered why Kerwynn Williams can't keep a job. You just saw why.

I've really never heard much talk about how bad our outside gunners are blocking on PRs either. IMO it seems 75% of the time the return guy has someone in their face as the ball is fielded, limiting our returns as well. It's been terrible for years IMO.

 

[DeAnna]

Yeah, no way he gets fired mid-season. BA likes to hold players accountable, but apparently not his staff.

 

[overseascardfan]

As I stated in another thread, the players have to execute. Williams doesn't let the guy run him over so the punt doesn't get blocked and if Catanzaro makes the chip shot we would have won. Players get coaches fired so Jones could be let go at the end of the year but unless we find a better PK, Catanzaro will cost us more games, dude has really fallen off since his impressive rookie season. ARZ already rid itself of one problem in Butler, there isn't a decent K out there available so I would be looking at a K in the draft, maybe Phillips of UTA or ASU's Zane Gonzalez in Round 7 or UDFA.

 

[Beaver]

I just can't comprehend how badly handled those FG kicks were. Insane to know the jump was going to happen and do nothing to prevent it. Its middle school coaching up against NFL coaching.

 

[wit3card]

I don't know but, if as a Kicker your opponent is all game long running into you ... missing one FG ... isn't really a bad game. Cat is an avarage K but putting it on him ... is just pathetic.

Ask yourself, would Catanzaro have made the FG that Arians stole .. if your answer is yes. This hole discussion about Cat is meaningless.

Amos on the other hand, should at least get called out, our ST is poor since he is here, we lost 2 games (maybe 3) and didn't win another one because of poor ST play. It's not fluke, it is recurrent. When did we have a ST play in the last 3 seasons? 1 by David johnson but other than that, i can't think of one.

The Blocking is way off the gunners expect Bethel are off and so on. And Bethel is injured so even he can't do magic.

But like many wrote already, BA doesn't talk about, the media doesn't ask questions about it.

So yes, with a better ST performence this year we would easily be 6-1 so we are 3-3-1, but we will see how it plays out.

But my biggest concern is that BA looses his team, if you get called out on your mistakes but a coach is below mediocre at best and doesn't get called out or shown the door, the NFL has so many stories about how that is gonna end.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't know but, if as a Kicker your opponent is all game long running into you ... missing one FG ... isn't really a bad game. Cat is an avarage K but putting it on him ... is just pathetic.

Ask yourself, would Catanzaro have made the FG that Arians stole .. if your answer is yes. This hole discussion about Cat is meaningless.

Amos on the other hand, should at least get called out, our ST is poor since he is here, we lost 2 games (maybe 3) and didn't win another one because of poor ST play. It's not fluke, it is recurrent. When did we have a ST play in the last 3 seasons? 1 by David johnson but other than that, i can't think of one.

The Blocking is way off the gunners expect Bethel are off and so on. And Bethel is injured so even he can't do magic.

But like many wrote already, BA doesn't talk about, the media doesn't ask questions about it.

So yes, with a better ST performence this year we would easily be 6-1 so we are 3-3-1, but we will see how it plays out.

But my biggest concern is that BA looses his team, if you get called out on your mistakes but a coach is below mediocre at best and doesn't get called out or shown the door, the NFL has so many stories about how that is gonna end.

He is a kicker. His job is to make kicks. He has had two chances to win games for us. TWO. Has missed both.

Arians is holding him accountable, how that is pathetic, I do not know why, IMO. The reason Arians doesn't send the kicker out there and goes for it on 4th down is because of the train wreck that the kicking game has been. Catanzaro deserve ALL the blame he gets, ALL. He is now Neil Rackers version 2.0.

I never knew kickers had their own apologists.

 

[Chopper0080]

The issue with firing Amos during the season is that ST coaches generally don't have a ton of assistants. It is tough to find someone to take over those responsibilities as they are already assigned to something. I will be more frustrated if Arians doesn't replace him in the off-season.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

And Bethel is injured so even he can't do magic.

Lost in last night's most recent special team abomination was that Bethel was back last night. He leveled the punt returner on a perfectly timed hit and came all the way across the field to obliterate the gunner who had broken free on our punt return. Also had a kickoff tackle inside the 20.

 

[Stout]

No accountability on this team. None.

 

[wit3card]

He is a kicker. His job is to make kicks. He has had two chances to win games for us. TWO. Has missed both.


Arians is holding him accountable, how that is pathetic, I do not know why, IMO. The reason Arians doesn't send the kicker out there and goes for it on 4th down is because of the train wreck that the kicking game has been. Catanzaro deserve ALL the blame he gets, ALL. He is now Neil Rackers version 2.0.


I never knew kickers had their own apologists.

Yes he is a kicker and his job is to kick field goals without a guy in his face. And the ball handled properly by the holder.


Is Cat the best kicker in the NFL, no. Had he misses that cost us games, yes. Was something off on the two misses this season that cost us a game, oh hell yes. Even a college Coach would yell at the LS and the holder on the first one and on the LS on the second one.


Would Cat be above average he would have made at least one if not both of them. But he isn't.


But don't think because he didn't make them he is worse than all other kickers. Stop calling the K out if the HC didn't give him the best opportunities, or give him more opportunities. with one more kick he probably would have one it for us.


But not calling out the HC, the OC the ST Coach and the offense and the rest of the ST isn't fair at all. Cat has his share of blame too but calling for a new K will not help at all. Even an above average kicker would probably have missed the 2 kicks.


And Chandler has a better FG% on his carreer than most of the Kickers in the NFL at the moment. Yes we are very critical at him, but he has 86.7% and 60 yard is his longest and he is young.


Vinatieri: 84.6% longest 57 yards
Zurlein: 79.8% longest 61 yards
Tucker: 89.2% longest 61 yards (he is better not much but yes)
Bryant: 85.4% longest 62 yards
Lambo: 86.0% longest 54 yards
Janikowski: 80.0% longest 63 yards
Hauschka: 86.7% longest 58 yards (so about the same as Chandler)
Gostowski: 86.9% longest 57 yards
Dawson: 84.5% longest 56 yards

So please stop complaining about the Kicker, we have probably one of the better in the league and he is young, he probably is going to get better. There are maybe only 4-5 constantly better kicker in the league and drafting one high like TB doesn't help at all.


We have to fix the problems and that isn't the kicker. The Kick starts with the LS, the blocking the holder and than the kicker has the chance to put it through.


Our team doesn't perform well in the first 3 phase of a kick and now guys like you that look at isolated outcomes without the whole picture how it came to that outcome, are attacking a good kicker.


If you wanna find a better kicker ... go one, tell me who are the better kickers out there that we can get at the same amount of money. Good luck.

 

[eastcoastSUN]

^ Interesting thoughts. Not going to quote your entire post but to add on: I agree we shouldn't place the sole blame on Cat BUT... here's where it gets tricky. Kicking is not necessarily a 100% a physical skill as it is mental. You can have the strongest leg, best accuracy, but when the lights shine bright and you fail, you will ultimately be judged on that performance rather than your innate ability. Cat has decent accuracy when the stakes are not high, but at this point it can be all mental. There's a reason big bucks are shelled to guys like Vinatieri. He has ice in his veins.

Once again, I still believe the root of the problem is ST and coaching to put your player in the best position to succeed. Although I am not advocating for a change in kickers, Cat man needs to have a short memory otherwise we're in a world of hurt.

The $1M question here... does Cat Man have the mental fortitude to survive and thrive?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

C'mon, you guys don't think Arians let Jones know that this is unacceptable? Just because BA didn't call him out in the media doesn't mean he hasn't addressed it with Jones behind closed doors.

It's a coaching fraternity. BA will call out players but won't coaches. Most coaches are like that. I'm sure BA has him on notice.

 

[AZ Native]

I understand that but I also wonder if Bruce is so loyal that he will never fire him.

 

[eastcoastSUN]

The funny thing is, the Bills and Ravens have already replaced their OC this early in the season. Both Ryan and Harbaugh came out and said it was strictly their decision to make that move. That move potentially saved the season of one team (Bills), and results TBD for the other (Ravens). The important thing here is: the COACH took responsibility and took action.

One could argue that OC is 10x more important to a team than ST. So why hasn't BA made a similar move? Why hasn't Keim stepped in, as ticked as he sounds after games?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The funny thing is, the Bills and Ravens have already replaced their OC this early in the season. Both Ryan and Harbaugh came out and said it was strictly their decision to make that move. That move potentially saved the season of one team (Bills), and results TBD for the other (Ravens). The important thing here is: the COACH took responsibility and took action.

One could argue that OC is 10x more important to a team than ST. So why hasn't BA made a similar move? Why hasn't Keim stepped in, as ticked as he sounds after games?

Two completely different situations. Reports are that is really wasn't Ryan's call and he just took responsibility. Harbaugh's hand kind of got tied when Flacco threw Trestman under the bus. Plus, wasn't this Trestman's first year? Maybe they realized early it wasn't good fit.

 

[JeffGollin]

No way they fire a coach mid season. I just don't see it happening at this point and I don't think it will help short term. ST.

Agree, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't.

 

[oaken1]

okay so BA wont fire his buddy...maybe it is time to bring in a "Consultant" to help him out. why not?? we already have the largest staff in the league...what's one more coach?

 

[Stout]

Yeah, I've called out the coaches and others as well for this debacle, so I've got that covered. I also debunked your whole theory of basing anything and everything on field goal percentage in another thread. And, I'm sorry, but he doesn't get one bit of a pass on this last FG. Not even a little. You make that, period, NO EXCUSE. The New England one? He's got a bit of an excuse on that one, for timing. Still, the ball was set, and in plenty of time, for him to have made it. He has to have made at least one of those two. I'm sorry, but he's a below average kicker that has and will cost us games.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Two completely different situations. Reports are that is really wasn't Ryan's call and he just took responsibility. Harbaugh's hand kind of got tied when Flacco threw Trestman under the bus. Plus, wasn't this Trestman's first year? Maybe they realized early it wasn't good fit.

And we haven't figured out Amos isn't a good fit . . . for any special teams coaching position? We have figured it out IN SPADES. Results don't lie. He SUCKS and BA and Keim continue to lose credibility in my eyes by continuing to have him on the payroll. If I did my job as badly as he does I'd have been canned years ago and my company would've be sued, despite everyone liking me. I guess BA REALLY likes Amos, because he's damaging his own reputation by hanging onto the guy.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah, I've called out the coaches and others as well for this debacle, so I've got that covered. I also debunked your whole theory of basing anything and everything on field goal percentage in another thread. And, I'm sorry, but he doesn't get one bit of a pass on this last FG. Not even a little. You make that, period, NO EXCUSE. The New England one? He's got a bit of an excuse on that one, for timing. Still, the ball was set, and in plenty of time, for him to have made it. He has to have made at least one of those two. I'm sorry, but he's a below average kicker that has and will cost us games.

Yeah numbers are good and all, but having the balls to hit them under pressure is crucial. Can't do that, you're next to useless to a team with winning aspirations. So far cat is looking like he's got the yips when it counts. I don't care if can make it 999,999 times outta 1,000,000 of the one his misses is the one needed to win a game.