Amundson expected to sign elsewhere this week.
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Sunburn
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Hmmn, I'll say Pacers since they just traded away Murphy. We'll miss you Lou.
Black Jesus
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Yah, Pacers need their influx of white players.
Meh.
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As crowd pleasers go, he was as entertaining as they come.
slinslin
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When will we sign a Center to fill our roster?
Kwame Brown would have been a nice signing. Good size, athleticism and solid defense and rebounding.
Kwame Brown would have been a nice signing. Good size, athleticism and solid defense and rebounding.
Big whoop.
PhxGametime
Formerly Bball_31
Suns were one of the Teams rumored in the mix too - any day now hopefully the Suns get a 4/5.
I've watched 4 Hedo Turkoglu games: against the Suns (Raptors) and the other 3 when he was with the Magic against (Blazers, 76ers, and Lakers). With the last 2 being Playoff games and I haven't seen him play PF at all! I'm guessing some kind of Trade is going down. I really like his game but I'd feel more comfortable with him playing the majority of minutes at the wings. Great pick n roll player, and passer but more of a 1-3 player that can play the 4-5.
Hakim Warrick is a pretty good scorer with athleticism/length and one of the few guys the Suns have that roll to the basket. Can score from the elbows, post-up, and penetrate - will fit in well in the defensive zone, as well. He's not a banger but he's not that bad of a rebounder... Diaw like player that only passes when he needs too. Surprised he gets so much criticism.
IMO, one decent sized, quality bigman away from being a great Team.
Chaplin
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With Lance Blanks FINALLY on the job starting today, hopefully we'll see some movement.
Thats crazy. Anyone the Suns get at this point isn't going to turn them into a 'great' team. Great teams go to the NBA Finals and win 60 games in a season and things like that. There's no way the Suns do that this year by signing a Kwame Brown type player.
elindholm
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The Suns went to the WCF with Shawn Marion as their PF, and he has no inside game at all.
The issue isn't slotting people into positions. It's having an interior presence on either end of the court. Right now, no one on the Suns can score inside (except Richardson, sort of) or defend the paint (except Lopez on one of his five good days per month). So either they'll have to inspire some players on the current roster to acquire those skills, or they'll be a Golden State Warriors clone.
I think it's extremely unlikely that we'll see a trade that improves the Suns this season. The only thing resembling a trade chip is Warrick, and he's just not going to bring that much value. Besides, he's probably the closest thing to a PF the Suns have.
The issue isn't slotting people into positions. It's having an interior presence on either end of the court. Right now, no one on the Suns can score inside (except Richardson, sort of) or defend the paint (except Lopez on one of his five good days per month). So either they'll have to inspire some players on the current roster to acquire those skills, or they'll be a Golden State Warriors clone.
I think it's extremely unlikely that we'll see a trade that improves the Suns this season. The only thing resembling a trade chip is Warrick, and he's just not going to bring that much value. Besides, he's probably the closest thing to a PF the Suns have.
So, if they had had a legitimate PF at the time:
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Marion didn't have a post/back to the basket game. But to say he didn't have an inside game is incorrect. Most of his shots were inside shots.
Here's his shot charts from 2004, 05 and 06:
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So in 2004 he shot 41% of his shots right around the hoop, in '05 it went up to 47% and in '06 it was 51%. He scored a lot on tip ins, dunks, alley oops, floaters in the lane, etc. He was very much a player who slashed to the hoop and scored inside for the Suns.
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Chaplin
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Most of his shots were inside simply because he cleaned up misses. Has nothing to do with actually INTENDING to play inside.
elindholm
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Right, that, and fast breaks. He got very little inside out of half-court sets.
BC867
Long time Phoenician!
Right. He wasn't an inside presence on offense. Nor was he a rebounding power. He was an opportunity player.
And, as mentioned above about our current undersized crew at the 4 and 5, it draws a crowd during the regular season, but invites elimination during the post-season. Consistently over forty-two seasons.
Sunburn
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Haha so he just drunkenly ended up inside then? Please guys, lets get real here. He drove to the basket a lot, his floater in the key was a very good move. He got a lot of offensive rebounds and put backs. Just because its not traditional, back to the basket post play doesn't mean its not interior play.
You don't shoot 40-50% of your shots within a few feet of the basket without intending to play there, thats ridiculous.
carey
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This basically. His floater in the lane was also very good.
Chaplin
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Shawn didn't play down low at all. How you can dispute that is unbelievable. He was an opportunist. He had a nice floater, just like Jeff Hornacek, are you guys going to claim that Hornacek was an inside player because he had a good floater? Come on now.
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I'd call Tony Parker an inside player.
Tony Parker generates offense. Marion needs someone else to get him looks at the rim if he isn't getting put backs.
Warrick should be able to fill an offensive role similar to what Marion had, though he doesn't provide much else.
elindholm
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Why not compare that statistic to players who have a real inside game? What percentage of Stoudemire's shots were close to the basket, for instance?
Also, surely it isn't lost on you that Marion's scoring average has plummeted now that he's gone to teams that don't have such a fluid, opportunistic offense. If he had a real inside game, he'd still be finding ways to apply it.
dodie53
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bye Lou
IMHO, Shawn was a gigantic contradiction. He was a tiny rebounder, who was often in the league's top ten; but was a weak inside defender who had to front everybody above 225 pounds. He was a rebounder who often leaked out for fast breaks. He began his career as a decent driver, but later on couldn't. He was "OK" as a cutter, but seemed limited to a few "alley oo' plays. He was a terrible three point shooter, but never stopped taking them. He was a quick jumper, but rarely passed out of traffic.
He was a supplimental type player who thought he should be a star because he made so much.
I wish Warrick would learn to rebound like Shawn (but block out too); but otherwise not emulate him.
