An Offer To Rework Fitz's Deal - Darren Urban

[Cbus cardsfan]

I never thought he was a bust. He was a pro bowl the 2 previous years and made it this year. But, at least we have Reggie Wells patrolling the LG positionfor us and our powder is dry. Go Rod,go.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Graves was GM in name only until right before Green was hired. I remember the hulabaloo on here when Bidwill announced his promotion. He was given a 3 year contract that started after the 2003 season. At the end of that contract, he worked for part of a year without a contract and given another 3 year contract in 2007.

And a well-earned extension it was .

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He made the pro bowl with 12 other Cowboys. While no one from the Jags made it until Taylor was let in through injury

He got int because their fans stuff the ballots.

The guy wanted a 50 million dollar contract. He is not worth 50 million. Not now, not ever.

I am glad we let him go.

 

[Darth Llama]

He made the pro bowl with 12 other Cowboys. While no one from the Jags made it until Taylor was let in through injury

He got int because their fans stuff the ballots.

The guy wanted a 50 million dollar contract. He is not worth 50 million. Not now, not ever.

I am glad we let him go.

Agreed totally. Pro Bowl voting is nothing but a popularity contest, he made it because he's a Cowboy, that's it. Leonard Davis isn't a bad guard, not at all, but $50 mil? Ha.. no thanks.

Getting rid of him was a good move by the Cardinals. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

[Darth Llama]

I don't see how Rod" keeping the powder dry, building the belly of the team" Graves thinks he's in cap crunch situation. You get Fitz done,tag Dansby and you're still way under the cap. I could care less about Pace. There's talk of releasing Edge and Berry which free up even more cap space. I don't get how Graves can make statements like that. More concerning is why does he feel the need to make such statements? Why say anything? All his remarks do is lower expectations and cause fan unrest. He doesn't need to come out and say we're going to be agressive either. If it was me, i would just say, we'll deal with free agency when it gets here.

I love when people say things like "all you have to do is.." then they site stuff like extending Fitz, and signing Dansby and make it sound like the easiest thing ever. Like it's no work whatsoever to get those guys to re-sign, and all the work is done by the GM and has nothing to do with the player. You might not care about Pace, but luckily for the team, Graves does. Graves was asked a question, he answered it honestly, that's about it. We need to stop these "all you have to do is.." posts that make it sound like the effort and responsibility is completely on Rod Graves. It's a two way street, if the player doesn't want to sign, then things are going to take a while no matter who your GM is. Graves is doing a good job of trying to keep our core intact, something we didn't have after the 1998 season. I can't believe how many people on this forum just hate on Graves for no apparent reason. It's really unreal.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

“I could see if I couldn’t block people or quarterbacks were getting hit all of the time,” Davis said. “I was trying to figure out why. It did bother me a little bit, but I didn’t say anything. I just kept playing. Then I’d run into guys after the season and they’d say, ‘Man, I can’t believe you didn’t make the Pro Bowl.’ And those were guys I played against. What could I really say? Maybe next year.”

I think there are some QB's that would disagree with this statement.

How about the fact we never seemed to have a 1,000 yard running behind this "run blocking specialist".

And I really like how the guy is an "All-Pro" but he can't seem to be able to play any position but guard.

The fact he is a All-Pro Cowboy is perfect tho. He is the prototype Cowboy All-pro, he looks like an all-pro, he talks like an all-pro, he does everything like an all pro but play like one.

You know....I am totally wrong. He is an all pro horse whisperer.

 

[40yearfan]

We are not following the Pats model in the least...not even close. You can compare us somewhat to the Eagles, but the reason they can let good players go is because they are already a good roster. Were we already a solid roster, we could limit ourselves to surgical moves here and there to improve and maintain. As it stands, we have the solid basis for a good team, but the roster needs more bolstering than just one player here and another there. We're still 5-6 solid, immediate contributors away from being a top team, so unless you're content to fail to compete again, we need to be aggressive.

I need to expand on the Pats point. The Pats constantly sign aging players to augment their roster, counting on veteran ability to bolster their team. We do quite the opposite, and routinely discount adding a player due to age. The Pats are also routinely active in the offseason, identifying areas of need and filling them. Last year, they had a lousy receiving corps, so they added Welker (trade), Moss (trade), and Stallworth (FA). When was the last time the Cards were that aggressive in filling their needs through trades and FA?

Yeah and all three WR's were playing for chump change just to get to play with the Pats and a chance at a SB ring. I wonder what will happen this year.

BTW, I wasn't comparing the Cards to the Pats or Eagles, I was saying the Pats and Eagles are well run teams. The Cards have a way to go to get to that level, but they are working on it. In order to show improvement this coming year, we need to win 10 or more games and make the play-offs. I think it's doable.

 

[40yearfan]

I love when people say things like "all you have to do is.." then they site stuff like extending Fitz, and signing Dansby and make it sound like the easiest thing ever. Like it's no work whatsoever to get those guys to re-sign, and all the work is done by the GM and has nothing to do with the player. You might not care about Pace, but luckily for the team, Graves does. Graves was asked a question, he answered it honestly, that's about it. We need to stop these "all you have to do is.." posts that make it sound like the effort and responsibility is completely on Rod Graves. It's a two way street, if the player doesn't want to sign, then things are going to take a while no matter who your GM is. Graves is doing a good job of trying to keep our core intact, something we didn't have after the 1998 season. I can't believe how many people on this forum just hate on Graves for no apparent reason. It's really unreal.

You're wasting your breath DL. These guys would bitch about RG if he got Jesus Christ to sign up as our QB.

 

[Redheart]

Big's first Pro Bowl; False Start.

Let us see if he can string some together...

 

[slanidrac16]

You're wasting your breath DL. These guys would bitch about RG if he got Jesus Christ to sign up as our QB.

Why wouldn't complain. It's a proven fact that Christ can't throw the deep out!

 

[Redheart]

You're wasting your breath DL. These guys would bitch about RG if he got Jesus Christ to sign up as our QB.

What kind of signing bonus are we talking about? How many years? Are their escalators? I can't sign off on this until all the details are justified to me and then I reserve the right to bitch in hindsight if it doesn't work out.

 

[cardsfanmd]

You're wasting your breath DL. These guys would bitch about RG if he got Jesus Christ to sign up as our QB.

He looks too much like Plummer.

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[cardsfanmd]

You're wasting your breath DL. These guys would bitch about RG if he got Jesus Christ to sign up as our QB.

Who knows if JC can even play. I think Graves and Bidwill would be bringing him in just to increase the fan base and make them more money.

 

[jefftheshark]

These guys would bitch about RG if he got Jesus Christ to sign up as our QB.

I don't know, but I think Jesus Christ would be a good signing for the Cards. And I would probably not be alone in this thinking.

I remember hearing a lot of people exclaiming his name every time Warner threw an interception last year.

JTS

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I love when people say things like "all you have to do is.." then they site stuff like extending Fitz, and signing Dansby and make it sound like the easiest thing ever. Like it's no work whatsoever to get those guys to re-sign, and all the work is done by the GM and has nothing to do with the player. You might not care about Pace, but luckily for the team, Graves does. Graves was asked a question, he answered it honestly, that's about it. We need to stop these "all you have to do is.." posts that make it sound like the effort and responsibility is completely on Rod Graves. It's a two way street, if the player doesn't want to sign, then things are going to take a while no matter who your GM is. Graves is doing a good job of trying to keep our core intact, something we didn't have after the 1998 season. I can't believe how many people on this forum just hate on Graves for no apparent reason. It's really unreal.

Well, all you have to do is tag Dansby and he's locked into another year.So, it is a one way street in that case. I don't see how anyone here can sing Graves praises. That's what is unreal. How many teams are,seemingly every year, 20+ million under the cap and yet struggle to keep their core toghther.That's just plain bad cap management. Graves has earned every bit of criticism he gets. It's not like we fabricated it. For every good move, there are about 2 to 3 horrendous moves.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Big's first Pro Bowl; False Start.

Let us see if he can string some together...

I would like to see Reggie Wells false start in the pro bowl.

 

[Stout]

I love when people say things like "all you have to do is.." then they site stuff like extending Fitz, and signing Dansby and make it sound like the easiest thing ever. Like it's no work whatsoever to get those guys to re-sign, and all the work is done by the GM and has nothing to do with the player. You might not care about Pace, but luckily for the team, Graves does. Graves was asked a question, he answered it honestly, that's about it. We need to stop these "all you have to do is.." posts that make it sound like the effort and responsibility is completely on Rod Graves. It's a two way street, if the player doesn't want to sign, then things are going to take a while no matter who your GM is. Graves is doing a good job of trying to keep our core intact, something we didn't have after the 1998 season. I can't believe how many people on this forum just hate on Graves for no apparent reason. It's really unreal.

Whoa, Darth. Dansby gets tagged--that takes absolutely no effort at all. It'd be nice to sign him to a long-term deal now, but not crucial. So, that's a no-brainer. Second, a Fitz extension is a win-win. We get to lower the cap #, and he gets his guaranteed money. There is no reason that can't get done before the FA period opens. Now, if a fan can't expect his GM to get those two things done, the fan has a right to be more than disappointed.

Like I said, I believe we will get Fitz extended, for the simple reason that it makes the most sense for all parties involved. I still hold out hope that we sign Dansby long-term, but we'll at least tag him. The Pace situation will be interesting to see play out.

People don't hate on Graves for no reason; they hate on him because he has a very unpopular and completely unproven method of doing business. I hope we win, but we need a good offseason to do so. I hope we do have a strong offseason.

 

[joeshmo]

I love when people say things like "all you have to do is.." then they site stuff like extending Fitz, and signing Dansby and make it sound like the easiest thing ever. Like it's no work whatsoever to get those guys to re-sign, and all the work is done by the GM and has nothing to do with the player. You might not care about Pace, but luckily for the team, Graves does. Graves was asked a question, he answered it honestly, that's about it. We need to stop these "all you have to do is.." posts that make it sound like the effort and responsibility is completely on Rod Graves. It's a two way street, if the player doesn't want to sign, then things are going to take a while no matter who your GM is. Graves is doing a good job of trying to keep our core intact, something we didn't have after the 1998 season. I can't believe how many people on this forum just hate on Graves for no apparent reason. It's really unreal.

It is not a two way street. Either you get IT done or you dont. Just like anyone who has ever been in sales. You have a quota to meet and you cant use the excuse well it is a two way street and they just didnt want to buy. You will get laughed out of your managers office with that excuse. GM's get fired for that excuse every season. Not even saying Graves isnt doing IT yet since we have a few weeks to go, just that the whole two way street thing is a lame excuse that no one in the business cares about or excepts as an excuse at least the good ones dont.

If people wanted to hate on Graves for no apparent reason we would be rioting about losing Bryant Johnson but we arent.

 

[joeshmo]

Agreed totally. Pro Bowl voting is nothing but a popularity contest, he made it because he's a Cowboy, that's it. Leonard Davis isn't a bad guard, not at all, but $50 mil? Ha.. no thanks.

Getting rid of him was a good move by the Cardinals. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Only 1/3 of the voting is done by the fans so how is it a popularity contest. 2/3 of the voting is done by his peers and coaches. Like it or the people he played against voted for him.

It was a good move to let him go since his attitude was wearing thin. But it was an absolute sham that we let him go without compensation which would have been the easiest trade this team could have done since we swindled the PaAtriots out of a 3rd rounder for Duane Starks.

 

[Duckjake]

Graves was GM in name only until right before Green was hired. I remember the hulabaloo on here when Bidwill announced his promotion. He was given a 3 year contract that started after the 2003 season. At the end of that contract, he worked for part of a year without a contract and given another 3 year contract in 2007.

I don't know 40. I think that Michael and Graves took over early in 2003. That's when we started to see the changes in overall operations. I get that impression from reading az republic articles from 2002-2004. The results from a won-loss standpoint haven't been very good but you could see that team management was different.

You do have to give some real credit to whoever you decide was the "GM" at the time (2003) because we still had 5 guys on the team from the '03 draft last season. I can't remember the last time, prior to 2007, the Cards still had 5 guys contributing 5 seasons after they were drafted.

 

[WildBB]

I don't know, but I think Jesus Christ would be a good signing for the Cards. And I would probably not be alone in this thinking.

I remember hearing a lot of people exclaiming his name every time Warner threw an interception last year.

JTS

sorry Lord.

 

[Redheart]

I would like to see Reggie Wells false start in the pro bowl.

Just so I don't have to see Davis false start all season for the Cardinals.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Just so I don't have to see Davis false start all season for the Cardinals.

We have Pope for that .

 

[football karma]

I don't know 40. I think that Michael and Graves took over early in 2003. That's when we started to see the changes in overall operations. I get that impression from reading az republic articles from 2002-2004. The results from a won-loss standpoint haven't been very good but you could see that team management was different.

You do have to give some real credit to whoever you decide was the "GM" at the time (2003) because we still had 5 guys on the team from the '03 draft last season. I can't remember the last time, prior to 2007, the Cards still had 5 guys contributing 5 seasons after they were drafted.

2003 is as good a starting time as any -- the team was practically an expansion team talent wise at that point, but without the benefit of extra draft choices

 

[RugbyMuffin]

We have Pope for that .

good one.