Another ND article Skorp won't like-on Weis

Russ Smith

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Understand Wilner is a bay area guy so he probably knows Willingham from Stanford.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/16462842.htm

Why does Weis get a golden pass?
By Jon Wilner
Mercury News Staff Columnist
It has been more than a week since Notre Dame got hammered by Louisiana State in the Sugar Bowl, more than a month since it got whipped by USC, almost four months since it got waxed by Michigan and just over a year since it got thumped by Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl.

So why hasn't Irish Coach Charlie Weis been fired?

Why, at the very least, isn't his job in jeopardy?

After all, Tyrone Willingham's poor performance in big games got him fired after three seasons in South Bend. Weis is 0-4 in big games in the past 54 weeks. Shouldn't he be held to the same standard?

The Irish couldn't possibly be treating the white coach differently . . .

Before we go there, let's review the facts:

• Willingham became the first black coach in Notre Dame history in any sport when he left Stanford for South Bend after the 2001 season.

• Willingham was the first Notre Dame football coach to be fired before his first contract expired -- in his case, after three years.

• Willingham was not fired because of the team's off-field performance. The players stayed out of trouble and did well in the classroom.

• Willingham was not fired because of his record (21-15), which was better than the three-year marks of two predecessors, Gerry Faust and Bob Davie. Both of them were brought back for a fourth season -- and a fifth.

No, the Irish needed a reason they could justify, and it was this: Willingham's teams were not competitive in big games.

Notre Dame's president and athletic director opposed the dismissal, but members of the board of trustees made it happen -- perhaps because they didn't like the performances in big games but more likely because Willingham wasn't a Notre Dame guy and because Urban Meyer was available. (Yes, the same Urban Meyer who just won the national title with Florida.)

Now here we are, two years into Weis' tenure. No question, he's a terrific offensive coach, and he has a better record through two seasons (19-6) than Willingham (15-10). But again: Willingham, who's now at Washington, wasn't fired by Notre Dame because of his record. He was fired because of bad losses in big games.

In the past 54 weeks, Weis has four of them:

• Ohio State 34, Notre Dame 20.

• Michigan 47, Notre Dame 21.

• USC 44, Notre Dame 24.

• LSU 41, Notre Dame 14.

Applying the same standard to Weis that was applied to Willingham, Weis' job should be in jeopardy. Instead, he's the golden boy under the Golden Dome, owner of a huge contract, beloved by fans and trustees alike.

But not, apparently, by a former Irish coach.

``When you lose to Michigan, you lose to USC and you lose to LSU in a bowl game by a significant score, there will be ramifications from that for Charlie Weis,'' Davie told ESPN radio, according to the Chicago Tribune.

``I think the shine is off, to be quite honest. I know going around the country talking to football coaches, particularly head coaches, I think a little bit of the mystique is definitely off.''

Pretty strong stuff. But Davie wasn't finished.

``It's hard to say Notre Dame improved this year with probably the No. 1 player in the NFL draft, (quarterback) Brady Quinn, with (receiver) Jeff Samardzija, with potentially five first-round NFL draft picks,'' Davie said. ``I don't think they're as good a team as they were last year. On defense they continued to go backwards.

``Notre Dame has had two successful seasons, two BCS bowl games in a row, but I think it's hard to say that the program is really going in a positive direction right now.''

So, why isn't Weis at least on the warm seat? Because, Notre Dame supporters say, he doesn't have the players to compete with the USCs and LSUs -- he still has Willingham's recruits.

But that argument reeks of hypocrisy.

The Irish didn't cut Willingham any slack because he had Davie's recruits. And the players Davie left for Willingham were not as good as the players Willingham left for Weis, starting with Quinn. We'll see how the next few drafts turn out, but I'd bet the '06 Irish have more upperclass talent than the '04-05 Irish.

Why the apparent double-standard? I don't think Willingham was treated differently by Notre Dame because he is black. I think he was treated differently by Notre Dame because he was different, and being black was not an insignificant part of that difference.

Willingham wasn't a Notre Dame guy. He didn't go to school there, had no ties to South Bend and, with his reserved personality, wasn't the type to make boosters and trustees feel comfortable and important -- to make them feel like the head coach was one of them.

Weis is one of them. He's a white guy who went to Notre Dame.

Look, I'm not saying Weis should be fired this winter; he deserves another year. But if the Irish get pounded by Michigan and USC again next season and all is still swell with Weis, then Notre Dame could have an enormous public relations problem on its hands.


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Great column.

One another board I post at, the ND homers keep saying, well, Weis only has had two recruiting classes.....blah blah. Well, Urban Meyer won the NC with RON ZOOK's players, and Willingham left Weis with a TON of talent.

Charlie Weis, like ND is OVER-Rated....
 

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Willingham left Weis with a ton of talent? Not sure about that.
 

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So now Willingham was fired because of racism? There is no way to answer that so I won't.

All I can do is iterate my opinion again that no coach at Notre Dame will ever again be able to compete consistantly with the top football programs.

Having said that, I think Weis is a very good coach, much better than Willingham.
 
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So now Willingham was fired because of racism? There is no way to answer that so I won't.

All I can do is iterate my opinion again that no coach at Notre Dame will ever again be able to compete consistantly with the top football programs.

Having said that, I think Weis is a very good coach, much better than Willingham.

the part I didn't like is he's clearly saying it's because Ty was black yet he denies that saying it's because Ty was different, and that difference just happened to be he's black.

Just come out and say it if you think it was because he was black, write that.
 

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Willingham left Weis with a ton of talent? Not sure about that.

Zackly. That team had very little talent to compete with the big boys. Charlie is doing it with smoke and mirrors.

I have very little tolerance for articles that use racism as the basis for the rant. Color all of the coaches Blue and find some real reasons to rationalize a hire or fire. One might look at Ty's personality as a factor. If you don't smile at the alumnae at any of the big schools, it won't take long for the furlough to come your way. Charlie is ND's dream coach.
 

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Notre Dame is what Notre Dame is. They only play 2 or 3 tough teams a year, and they usually lose those games.

I don't think Notre Dame should be allowed into the BCS unless they are one of the Top 2 teams in the nation, until they join a conference. Join the damned Big East already....so Louisville and WV can hand your arses to you.
 

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Great column.

One another board I post at, the ND homers keep saying, well, Weis only has had two recruiting classes.....blah blah. Well, Urban Meyer won the NC with RON ZOOK's players, and Willingham left Weis with a TON of talent.

Charlie Weis, like ND is OVER-Rated....

Ron Zook as is good at recruiting as he is bad at coaching. UF was stocked with NFL talent already. Zooks downfall is that he can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.

ND has some offensive talent but almost none on the defensive side of the ball. They have no speed whatsoever on that side of the ball.
 

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As of right now, Weis has only ONE recruiting class because he was coaching in the Super Bowl during signing period of his first vear. He will sign his second class this February.

This last year Weis moved his best RB, junior Travis Thomas, weighing in at 205 lbs, to OLB because there just weren't any other LBs on the roster.

Willingham left a mess.

15 seniors were granted an extra year of eligibility and will enroll in graduate school. That will help the depth, but frankly, most of them are small and slow anyway.

I'm not complaining. Notre Dame did this to itself. But anybody who thinks Willingham recruited and left behind a load of talent is nuts.
 
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