Another play that baffled me

[Russ Smith]

Even Collinsworth asked about it. Wilson is running left down the sideline and at the last second he pitches the ball forward out of bounds. I know the holy roller play made it against the rules to do that in the final 2 minutes.

But here's the question and Collinsworth said it too, Russell Wilson is the QB, he's running with the ball, past the LOS and he he flips the ball forward. That is an illegal forward pass, it's a pass released beyond the LOS, it's supposed to be a penalty. Instead they originally spotted it where the ball went out, then changed it to where he pitched it. You could see Arians yelling that's a forward pass. At first I don't think Collinsworth got the complaint but once he did he said something like yeah he flipped that ball forward.

Everytime I'm confident I know the rules they do something like that and it appears I don't. The point being if instead of flipping the ball out of boudns, he had flipped it forward to a teammate, it would not have counted because he's beyond the LOS, so why wasn't that a penalty?

 

[Dback Jon]

Agree - lots of mysterious, pro-Seattle calls in that game.

 

[DeAnna]

I'm still baffled by the 15 yrd un-sportsmanlike to the bench/sideline. Was that on BA? was he cussing them out?

 

[NJCardFan]

I'm still baffled by the 15 yrd un-sportsmanlike to the bench/sideline. Was that on BA? was he cussing them out?

Would be strange if he were because Seattle was being flagged for holding on that play.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Even Collinsworth asked about it. Wilson is running left down the sideline and at the last second he pitches the ball forward out of bounds. I know the holy roller play made it against the rules to do that in the final 2 minutes.

But here's the question and Collinsworth said it too, Russell Wilson is the QB, he's running with the ball, past the LOS and he he flips the ball forward. That is an illegal forward pass, it's a pass released beyond the LOS, it's supposed to be a penalty. Instead they originally spotted it where the ball went out, then changed it to where he pitched it. You could see Arians yelling that's a forward pass. At first I don't think Collinsworth got the complaint but once he did he said something like yeah he flipped that ball forward.

Everytime I'm confident I know the rules they do something like that and it appears I don't. The point being if instead of flipping the ball out of boudns, he had flipped it forward to a teammate, it would not have counted because he's beyond the LOS, so why wasn't that a penalty?

do you have a clip of the play?

 

[Buckybird]

I was saying the same as the play happened Russ

 

[Russ Smith]

do you have a clip of the play?

NO I'm trying to find it in the play by play but can't yet. he was running towards the left sideline, realized he was going to get tackled inbounds so he flipped the ball out of bounds.

 

[Iceman]

EXACTLY. I thought I was the only one that saw that! At that point of the game, I just decided to not get pissed at the officiating because it was already so bad. Was just hoping for a Cards stand or TO at that point

 

[Matt L]

Is it the play where he was going to be tackled and flipped it underhand to a tight end who almost snagged it but then bobbled it and it was ruled incomplete? Because if it was that play, I thought that should have been called a fumble...

 

[Russ Smith]

Is it the play where he was going to be tackled and flipped it underhand to a tight end who almost snagged it but then bobbled it and it was ruled incomplete? Because if it was that play, I thought that should have been called a fumble...

no he literally flipped the ball out of bounds to stop the clock

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It is hard to prove that he intentionally did it, and that's probably why it wasn't called.

The refs were horrible last night, but this is one of the times I can give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Chaz]

I think the play is 1:35 in the 3rd.

They show it as a 5 yd gain and pushed out of bounds.

 

[Russ Smith]

It is hard to prove that he intentionally did it, and that's probably why it wasn't called.

The refs were horrible last night, but this is one of the times I can give them the benefit of the doubt.

It was obvious when it happened he literally flipped the ball forward.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think the play is 1:35 in the 3rd.

They show it as a 5 yd gain and pushed out of bounds.

Yeah I think that's the one. They originally spotted it where the ball went out, then they moved it back to where he flipped it. Collinsworth originally was wondering why they stopped the clock on it and then he started to ask why isn't that an illegal forward pass.

It was first and 20, he got 5 yards so it's supposed to be 5 yards and loss of down, from the spot of the foul. So they would have lost the 5 yard gain and been 2nd and 20, instead of 2nd and 15. They still punted on that drive but just a weird play.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

This was one of the worst officiated games I've seen in a while, at least they were screwing up calls both ways fairly consistently

 

[Russ Smith]

I am wondering if Chaz got the right play from the play by play maybe they ultimately ruled that he was already out of bounds before he flipped the ball and that's why it's described as forced out by Minter?

I know Collinsworth was asking the same question and we never got a replay so maybe they just said he was already out so the pass didn't count.

 

[100%CardsFan]

Question...even if its the QB once he passes the LOS isnt he treated the same as say a RB? And if so, if lynch ran it 5 yards and saw the D closing in and flipped it out would it be treated any different then last night? And has anyone recall a wr or RB doing that in the past?

 

[Russ Smith]

Question...even if its the QB once he passes the LOS isnt he treated the same as say a RB? And if so, if lynch ran it 5 yards and saw the D closing in and flipped it out would it be treated any different then last night? And has anyone recall a wr or RB doing that in the past?

No it's against the rules to intentionally fumble out of bounds so they move the ball back to the spot of the fumble.

If he does it in bounds it's an illegal forward pass, it's why on hail mary ko returns at end of game they're always throwing the ball backwards, it has to be a lateral can't be a forward pass.

He can do it as long as he's behind the LOS, or he can lateral backwards after the LOS, but of course if that ball hits the ground, it's a live ball not an incomplete pass.

 

[Chaz]

I am wondering if Chaz got the right play from the play by play maybe they ultimately ruled that he was already out of bounds before he flipped the ball and that's why it's described as forced out by Minter?

I know Collinsworth was asking the same question and we never got a replay so maybe they just said he was already out so the pass didn't count.

I looked at it a couple of times. It almost looked like Minter knocked the ball out when he hit him. It was hard to tell and they didn't show any other angles.
I will see if I can get a gif of it.

 

[Russ Smith]

I looked at it a couple of times. It almost looked like Minter knocked the ball out when he hit him. It was hard to tell and they didn't show any other angles.
I will see if I can get a gif of it.

Ok maybe not as obvious as I thought live then.

I don't think I recorded the game at home I'll have to check tonight.

 

[Chaz]

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[Cards_Campos]

There were so many numerous calls that made no sense. The pass from Wilson that was 3-4 yards short of the line scrimmage CAN BE challenged. San Diego challenged it earlier this year. That was brushed over. The spotting of the balls twice in a row was horrific at best. The first one dudes helmet was barely at the spot. And the 2nd one...They show a replay of the ref running up to spot it and the runners entire body had not even reached the spot. Collinsworth was showing where the ball was in the replay and you can definitely piece it together he had no shot of making the mark. Dude had his back trying to push and fell straight down. I really think refs were trying to give the Seahawks that game. But then you could say why didnt they call the fumble on Fells before the half. And the Gresham juggle in the fourth. They sided with the Cards on those. I think Grehsam caught it but if they say incomplete....we had no challenges left. Larry Fitzgerald cath was awfully close too.when he caught it on the sideline. The game was just brutally called.

 

[Cards_Campos]

maybe you cant challenge the call.....I thought I had seen it done.

 

[NJCardFan]

I think the play is 1:35 in the 3rd.



They show it as a 5 yd gain and pushed out of bounds.

That's because under 2 minutes the ball goes back to the point of the fumble unless the fumbler picks is up and can advance it.


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[Russ Smith]

That's because under 2 minutes the ball goes back to the point of the fumble unless the fumbler picks is up and can advance it.


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In 4th quarter yes, not 3rd quarter.