Any of you ever pause and think how often a DE has to run 40 yards on a play?

[Ed B]

1 out of every 100 plays, I'm guessing.

First 10 yards, frequently referred to as "burst", are all that matters.

Of course, no one can stop wetting themselves about Suggs's "bad 40 time" long enough to deal with that reality. If we were putting together a track team I'd be worried, but the last time I checked we're trying to win football games.

 

[Wildman©]

I would think that the TEAM PLAYED ON might have an effect on the number of times...

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by Ed B
1 out of every 100 plays, I'm guessing.

First 10 yards, frequently referred to as "burst", are all that matters.

Of course, no one can stop wetting themselves about Suggs's "bad 40 time" long enough to deal with that reality. If we were putting together a track team I'd be worried, but the last time I checked we're trying to win football games.

This is true but is sounds like he didn't even do well on a 10yrd run. Now that is realy important. Plus with all the scrambling QBs coming out ala Vick and others the 40 time is becoming very inportant as well... I still say Cards pick him at 6

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by Ed B
1 out of every 100 plays, I'm guessing.

First 10 yards, frequently referred to as "burst", are all that matters.

Of course, no one can stop wetting themselves about Suggs's "bad 40 time" long enough to deal with that reality. If we were putting together a track team I'd be worried, but the last time I checked we're trying to win football games.

Ed I agree 100%

Ed do you remember who the speedster was from K state that Suggs ran down from behind in the bowl game?

Its all about games speed not combine speed ala Jerry Rice!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Re: Re: Any of you ever pause and think how often a DE has to run 40 yards on a play?

Originally posted by Shane H
Ed I agree 100%

Ed do you remember who the speedster was from K state that Suggs ran down from behind in the bowl game?

Its all about games speed not combine speed ala Jerry Rice!

Aaron Sproules or something like that, a shifty hard to tackle back.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by Ed B
1 out of every 100 plays, I'm guessing.

First 10 yards, frequently referred to as "burst", are all that matters.

Of course, no one can stop wetting themselves about Suggs's "bad 40 time" long enough to deal with that reality. If we were putting together a track team I'd be worried, but the last time I checked we're trying to win football games.

I agree. A pash rushing defensive end needs to have "Cat Like" quickness more than pure speed.

However I think it is important to note that Suggs threw on something like 10 pounds before the Combine. I think it obviously affected his speed and quickness. If the Cards do select him I hope they don't pressure him to put on "Bad Weight" just so he can play heavier. We need his quickness more than we need him carrying 10 extra pounds of dead weight.

 

[Cardforlife]

I have played Soccer and little football all my life and I say one thing. That your 40 speed and ball speed are 2 completely different things! i've seen guys get eaten up in a 40 race and then turn around and destroy the same guy running for a free ball. These combines are thesame ones that made Jeff George the most sought after player in the 1990 draft and he necer lived up to those goals. I say look at the numbers He a ball Hawk he is always around the ball! If he's ther we have to grab him and run!

 

[AZCB34]

Good point. His 40 time to me was and is irrelevant but if he is going to be a DE in this league and he can only muster 19 reps at 225, that is a concern to me. Speed/burst is great but just as often strength is needed to get the sacks as well and soryy, that was unimpressive. Didn't Archuleta have like 25 reps at 225 for a safety?

I still think Suggs is too big of a risk at #6 and his workout, while just a measuring stick, further tells me of trouble on the horizon.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

I have always compared Suggs to Andre Carter

Suggs needs to play at around 248-252 pounds, very similar to what Andre Carter plays at. Carter had a very similar workout in 2001 with somewhat pedestrian 40 times of 4.85-4.90. He still went #7 to the 49er's and he is one heck of a young pass rusher.
Suggs will be the same.

 

[SweetD]

Re: I have always compared Suggs to Andre Carter

Originally posted by Holian
Suggs needs to play at around 248-252 pounds, very similar to what Andre Carter plays at. Carter had a very similar workout in 2001 with somewhat pedestrian 40 times of 4.85-4.90. He still went #7 to the 49er's and he is one heck of a young pass rusher.
Suggs will be the same.

I would agree except for the #7 he will go #6

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I didn't watch too many Pac 10 games.My question is,is there 1 LT in the conference that is projected to be a 1st day selection?Suggs has some pass rush ability but speed isn't all you need once an NFL OT gets ahold of you.Were these pac 10 OL a bunch of slow,lumbering guys or were they legitimate propsects?Remember Wadsworth?He got engulfed once the OT got his hands on him.I think we'll sign Holliday and pass on Suggs.Leftwich is the guy at 6.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Cbus cardsfan
I didn't watch too many Pac 10 games.My question is,is there 1 LT in the conference that is projected to be a 1st day selection?Suggs has some pass rush ability but speed isn't all you need once an NFL OT gets ahold of you.Were these pac 10 OL a bunch of slow,lumbering guys or were they legitimate propsects?Remember Wadsworth?He got engulfed once the OT got his hands on him.I think we'll sign Holliday and pass on Suggs.Leftwich is the guy at 6.

The only OT that I am aware of that is projected 1st day is the OT out of Stanford (Harris I think?) and ASU did play Stanford this season. Suggs was shut out in the sack department that day but I cannot recall how his overall play fared.

I don't pretend to know for sure the Stanford kid is the only kid projected day 1 but he is supposedly a 1st round lock somehwere along the line and I am also assuming he played across from Suggs which I cannot recall either.

Sorry for the vagueness but this is the info that I can recall.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Cbus cardsfan
I didn't watch too many Pac 10 games.My question is,is there 1 LT in the conference that is projected to be a 1st day selection?Suggs has some pass rush ability but speed isn't all you need once an NFL OT gets ahold of you.Were these pac 10 OL a bunch of slow,lumbering guys or were they legitimate propsects?Remember Wadsworth?He got engulfed once the OT got his hands on him.I think we'll sign Holliday and pass on Suggs.Leftwich is the guy at 6.

As Cubbie said, Kwame Harris is a consensus top 15 or so pick.

The thing about Suggs: even when he wasn't sacking the QB, he was constantly disruptive.....To be honest I think without him, ASU would have had a losing season. ASU's defense basically was only Suggs last year....luckily they have another rush end recruit, Nick Johnson, who is a big time pass rusher.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Good point. His 40 time to me was and is irrelevant but if he is going to be a DE in this league and he can only muster 19 reps at 225, that is a concern to me. Speed/burst is great but just as often strength is needed to get the sacks as well and soryy, that was unimpressive. Didn't Archuleta have like 25 reps at 225 for a safety?

I still think Suggs is too big of a risk at #6 and his workout, while just a measuring stick, further tells me of trouble on the horizon.

To be honest, I think he is the least risky player in the first. I might live up to title (idiot fan), but I have strong questions on every player's potential except Suggs.

Follow your eyes man! You know how good he looked! The guy is only a junior in college, 2-3 years younger than I am.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
To be honest, I think he is the least risky player in the first. I might live up to title (idiot fan), but I have strong questions on every player's potential except Suggs.

Follow your eyes man! You know how good he looked! The guy is only a junior in college, 2-3 years younger than I am.

The eyes may not exactly lie but the mind interprets what the eyes see and I am still not sold. I am not being stubborn because I cannot change my mind on things. On this board I have reversed field before.

It depends on outlook on whether ASU would have had a losing season without Suggs. He made everyone on the ASU D better by his presence but the offense was still pretty damn good and Suggs had nothing to do with that.

Listen, Suggs may very well end up being awesome, but at this stage I cannot see it. I see too many little problems that when you add it all up he will not live up to the billing.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Originally posted by Ed B
Any of you ever pause and think how often a DE has to run 40 yards on a play?

Two words come to mind...

"Bono" and "bootleg"

 

[Krangodnzr]

Re: Re: Any of you ever pause and think how often a DE has to run 40 yards on a play?

Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
Two words come to mind...

"Bono" and "bootleg"

Brian if you ever mention that play again, I will hunt you down and beat your ###!