Arians and QBs

[Mitch]

BA is very happy with Carson Palmer. Palmer is revitalized and highly motivated. It took Palmer some time to become well versed in BA's offense and as experienced and as diligent as Palmer is, what this suggests is that it is going to be much more difficult for a young QB to learn and run BA's system.

Because of the sophisticated nature of BA's offense---and BA's focus on excellence---I don't see him grooming a young QB to be Carson Palmer's successor.

First of all, BA has said it himself---it does no good to draft a QB high in the draft and then sit him.

When the Colts drafted Andrew Luck---Luck was the starter from day one---and unless the Cardinals find an Andrew Luck type, which is highly doubtful, what BA is going to do when the time comes is trade for or sign a veteran QB to be Carson Palmer's successor.

Thus---any QB the Cardinals add right now via FA, trades or the draft is for the #2 and #3 spots---there won't be any grooming of QBs as eventual starters because BA doesn't work that way.

This is BA's win now mode in full effect. There's no time for grooming.

 

[Brak]

Best case scenario - meltdown continues in Indy, Luck decides he wants no part of the Irsay clown show, loves BA from his year with him, and comes here as a FA once his rookie contract is up, signing a team-friendly long term deal so that Keim has cap space to put the best OL in the league in front of him.

I can dream, can't I?

 

[az jam]

You can learn BA's system being on the team in a backup role if you have any smarts to study the playbook. Logan Thomas didn't but it will be interesting to see how Matt Barkley does next preseason. However, he may not have the physical tools to be a starter.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Best case scenario - meltdown continues in Indy, Luck decides he wants no part of the Irsay clown show, loves BA from his year with him, and comes here as a FA once his rookie contract is up, signing a team-friendly long term deal so that Keim has cap space to put the best OL in the league in front of him.

I can dream, can't I?

Interesting how Luck succeeded with BA but can't succeed now. But three little words would probably prevent this.

Franchise player tag.

 

[GatorAZ]

Why doesn't it make sense to draft a QB high and sit him? Roethlisberger, Eli, Rivers, Rodgers and Palmer himself sat for at least a year.

 

[Russ Smith]

Interesting how Luck succeeded with BA but can't succeed now. But three little words would probably prevent this.

Franchise player tag.

Lots of differences though, they had better WR's then, and Luck was healthy, he still has shoulder issues and allegedly has been playing with cracked ribs for several weeks now.

He had 40TD passes last season without BA, he's a fairly high risk QB to begin with with Arians and after the Colts have thrown the ball vertically quite a bit so he throws more INTs. This year the concern has been even when they tell him to get it out quickly on shorter routes he's forcing balls into coverage.

He's still on pace for close to 30 TD's this year even missing games but the INT rate is going to put him over 20 if he doesn't cut it down.

I seriously doubt the Colts will let him get away they are well aware of how good he is, if he did get away I would hope us having arians would help us get him.

My main concern on Luck has always been his playing style will shorten his career. He doesn't run around like a Kaepernick or Newton but he doesn't like to slide he takes lots of big hits when he runs.

 

[Matt L]

BA is very happy with Carson Palmer. Palmer is revitalized and highly motivated. It took Palmer some time to become well versed in BA's offense and as experienced and as diligent as Palmer is, what this suggests is that it is going to be much more difficult for a young QB to learn and run BA's system.

Because of the sophisticated nature of BA's offense---and BA's focus on excellence---I don't see him grooming a young QB to be Carson Palmer's successor.

First of all, BA has said it himself---it does no good to draft a QB high in the draft and then sit him.

When the Colts drafted Andrew Luck---Luck was the starter from day one---and unless the Cardinals find an Andrew Luck type, which is highly doubtful, what BA is going to do when the time comes is trade for or sign a veteran QB to be Carson Palmer's successor.

Thus---any QB the Cardinals add right now via FA, trades or the draft is for the #2 and #3 spots---there won't be any grooming of QBs as eventual starters because BA doesn't work that way.

This is BA's win now mode in full effect. There's no time for grooming.

I agree with you on this. I believe if Carson were to retire and Bruce Arians is still coaching the team, we will make a trade or play for another experienced quarterback who may not be playing up to his potential. I am thinking Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford, or possibly Philip Rivers if the Chargers are looking to move on.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Why doesn't it make sense to draft a QB high and sit him? Roethlisberger, Eli, Rivers, Rodgers and Palmer himself sat for at least a year.

Big Ben went 13-0 as a rookie...Batch and Maddox got hurt...

Eli took over a 7-4 Giants team, as a rookie, after they benched Kurt...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Big Ben went 13-0 as a rookie...Batch and Maddox got hurt...

Eli took over a 7-4 Giants team, as a rookie, after they benched Kurt...

one more caveat to the above, the Giants were 5-4 when Eli took over.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

one more caveat to the above, the Giants were 5-4 when Eli took over.

Woops...LOL Point being, he didn't sit his entire rookie season...and it was actually a little controversial at the time, even though Kurt's play had tailed off, after a decent start to the season.

 

[daves]

Big Ben went 13-0 as a rookie...

But i thought Whiz ruined him?!?

Oops, wrong thread! :ducks:

...dbs

 

[GatorAZ]

Big Ben went 13-0 as a rookie...Batch and Maddox got hurt...

Eli took over a 7-4 Giants team, as a rookie, after they benched Kurt...

You're right but the point remains. The plan was to sit them. Benching Warner was a mistake.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

But i thought Whiz ruined him?!?

Oops, wrong thread! :ducks:

...dbs

2 words: The Bus!

 

[Capital Card]

I agree with you on this. I believe if Carson were to retire and Bruce Arians is still coaching the team, we will make a trade or play for another experienced quarterback who may not be playing up to his potential. I am thinking Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford, or possibly Philip Rivers if the Chargers are looking to move on.

1. It won't be Cutler.
2. Stafford is intriguing.
3. I can't see the Chargers ever getting rid of Rivers, but who knows. Peyton thriving in Denver as well and long as he has is a bit of a surprise to me too.

Feels like we're eventually going to have to tank a season for a shot at a QBOF.

Go Cards!!!

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

2 words: The Bus!

Two more words, Bill Cowher..... He most likely vetoed any stupidly KW was trying to inject.

 

[cardpa]

I agree with you on this. I believe if Carson were to retire and Bruce Arians is still coaching the team, we will make a trade or play for another experienced quarterback who may not be playing up to his potential. I am thinking Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford, or possibly Philip Rivers if the Chargers are looking to move on.

I think this is the guy you target. I think he needs a change of scenery from Detroit and BA and staff could rebuild Stafford. I also think you have to look at a QBOF in the draft. You are not always going to be able to find a vet who has fallen out of favor available.

 

[GatorAZ]

Interesting article for those interested in Cutler. Also has some stuff about the Cards in 06' and how things transpired. Cutler had success with Shanahan but McDaniels really comes off as a d*** if this guy's stories are true.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2580349-why-i-drafted-jay-cutler-and-what-happened-from-there

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

On the Matthew Stafford bandwagon...

He's taken a pounding BUT the arm..and I believe the will to win IS there... It wasn't that long ago that we thought CP was a pick-6 waiting to happen.

I think this would be...AWESOME!

Mark

 

[Russ Smith]

Interesting article for those interested in Cutler. Also has some stuff about the Cards in 06' and how things transpired. Cutler had success with Shanahan but McDaniels really comes off as a d*** if this guy's stories are true.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2580349-why-i-drafted-jay-cutler-and-what-happened-from-there

Nice find. many years ago I had a long debate on a Denver board about that pick because I knew(I know someone who knows Shanahan friend of the family) that Shanahan wanted Leinart not Cutler. After they picked Cutler they leaked all this talk they had him targetted the whole time, clearly the GM did but the Head Coach didn't so in a sense both me and the Broncos fans were right.

The stuff about McDaniels is not surprising either, he wore out his welcome in Denver really quickly. The stuff with Cutler makes sense, he didn't draft him he had no stake in him, but what really got him in trouble there was getting caught taping the 49ers in a preseason game. after the spygate thing in NE they had apparently talked at length about it and he assured them it was highly overblown and he wasn't involved. Then they hire him he brings Scarnecchia(the son) with him and they get caught doing it. Denver's owner was embarassed, he'd been highly critical of NE doing it and now he'd gone and hired someone from them who went and did it, made him look like a hypocrite.

And if you're McDaniels you go from coaching one of the calmest QB's in NFL history in Brady to a guy who frankly tends to choke in big situations, Cutler.

The Jake stuff was pretty well known, the irony is the reason Shanahan didn't like Jake is "he doesn't love football." He felt Jake liked to play sandlot ball and had to be almost forced to watch film and practice on his own, he openly praised how much Cutler loved the game. So ironic that he actually wanted Leinart who loved keggers far more than football.

 

[Stout]

Best case scenario - meltdown continues in Indy, Luck decides he wants no part of the Irsay clown show, loves BA from his year with him, and comes here as a FA once his rookie contract is up, signing a team-friendly long term deal so that Keim has cap space to put the best OL in the league in front of him.

I can dream, can't I?

I'm dreaming right there with you!