Arizona Cardinals GM Steve Keim cited for DUI on July 4

[Dback Jon]

Does your employer do annual or biannual background checks? If so, they'd find out unless the charges were dismissed.

For me, I'd lose my job because driving is a large part of what I do and the fact that I'd have to report to my licensing boards that I got a DUI, which would result in a suspension.

No, they don't. I don't need to drive for work.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I'm not going to go back and read every post here, but I'd venture to guess that you, at the very least, have strongly implied as such. For example, you told me that the team would "sweep it under the rug," when it's been publicly stated that Keim will face consequences. That's the opposite of sweeping this under the rug.

I was just pointing out what an absolute joke their public statement was. "This is both unacceptable and inexcusable." So, what's the team going to do? Accept and excuse it. The entire statement is just heavy words that mean a whole lot of nothing. Just more lip service.

 

[TJ]

Society as a whole treats this as not that big of a deal. Always has. It's never really given more than lip service. Not much has changed since I was in SADD in high school over 30 years ago.

Not true. There are small pockets of people who think they are invincible and can drive despite having a significant amount of liquor, but that's the minority. I can speak for myself, my friends, and family members, that none of us condone that behavior, and if impaired, we are proactive about finding alternatives to driving drunk.

Like all crimes, you can install the stiffest of penalties, but they will always exist.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

He needs to go.. You can't drop the hammer on your employee's, if you don't enforce the same rule with upper Management.

Nice example SK, DUI #2 AND several horrible draft picks.
He clearly makes more bad decisions than good.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Exactly. Where's the outrage over speeding? Excess speed is the leading cause of automobile deaths and people consciously speed everyday. I'm sure all the people clamoring for Keim's job have never gone above the speed limit or been cited for speeding.

I'm legitimately asking. If one got busted for shop lifting would they lose their job - to those who say they'd be fired for a DUI. Is there some kind of legal obligation for the justice system to notify employers? At least those who are not commercial drivers. Why would your employer even need to know? My job if quite flexible and I could probably vacation up if I had to spend 10 days in the can.

Awesome. So had Kiem drove drunk and killed someone on the way, would you still have no problem with Kiem?

But he didn't. He got lucky and didn't kill anyone. I could have won the $500mill lottery if i just had those last two numbers.

Better comparison to drunk driving be if he was going 85 in a 65 zone then sure that’s reckless driving.

It's actually criminal instead of civil at 20+

 

[MadCardDisease]

if this is true, his ass should be fired YESTERDAY.

I heard that the Bidwill tried to contact Rod Graves last Thursday as a possible interim GM. However Graves hasn't returned the call yet...

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I heard that the Bidwill tried to contact Rod Graves last Thursday as a possible interim GM. However Graves hasn't returned the call yet...

I heard they found Graves in his office, poking at the ringing phone with a stick.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I heard they found Graves in his office, poking at the ringing phone with a stick.

Apparently they also tried to reach Bob Ferguson, but he wouldn't answer the phone when he saw the 602 area code thinking it was Mike Jurecki.

 

[ajcardfan]

I'm legitimately asking. If one got busted for shop lifting would they lose their job - to those who say they'd be fired for a DUI. Is there some kind of legal obligation for the justice system to notify

For jobs in health care and education you have to be fingerprint cleared every 6 years. So, they would find out. And i know i would be fired if i havent notified them. If i told them, they might let me keep the job with conditions like rehab, counseling, etc

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Exactly. Where's the outrage over speeding? Excess speed is the leading cause of automobile deaths and people consciously speed everyday. I'm sure all the people clamoring for Keim's job have never gone above the speed limit or been cited for speeding.

Back to the “other things are bad too so let’s ignore this bad thing” argument???

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I had no idea you were in the porn industry!

I hope to make president someday!

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Name-dropping a dead cop? Was he really wasted, lying his ass off, or just that out of touch with reality?

Police Report: Cardinals GM Steve Keim Tried To Name-Drop A Dead Cop During His DUI Arrest

https://deadspin.com/police-report-cardinals-gm-steve-keim-tried-to-name-dr-1827507541

 

[CardNots]

20 pages, yep thought so...

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Name-dropping a dead cop? Was he really wasted, lying his ass off, or just that out of touch with reality?

Police Report: Cardinals GM Steve Keim Tried To Name-Drop A Dead Cop During His DUI Arrest

https://deadspin.com/police-report-cardinals-gm-steve-keim-tried-to-name-dr-1827507541

The steady drip of info from the arrest certainly is making him look even worse...

 

[Dback Jon]

The steady drip of info from the arrest certainly is making him look even worse...

Indeed it is

 

[GatorAZ]

He must’ve been bombed. I’m guessing .17%+

 

[Cheesebeef]

So the guy has had 2 DUI's in 22 years & you think he should lose his job? That must be a very high pedestal you sit on. I can't see taking away a guys livelihood over a mistake like this. Where did I defend what he did? I only asked why you would want to take away a guys career over a DUI. Simple question. That's not defending what he did. That's saying you want a more severe punishment than I. But I'm sure you've never made mistakes so you wouldn't know what it's like to make one. Why is it you are always the first to judge people on this board? You seem to do it a lot across multiple forums on here.

The idea that you're now defending a drunk who's now gotten multiple DUIs if freaking laughable and insulting.

The reason i think he should be fired are two-fold. One, as the leader of the team, he sets an AWFUL example for his players. If he can go around driving drunk, why can't they? And second... and this is actually MUCH more important, maybe, JUST MAYBE it would actually have an impact on him so he doesn't keep getting in cars drunk and putting other people's lives at risk. Because that's what he's doing... going out in a massive machine where he could KILL PEOPLE.

Some people need a massive slap in the face, not the wrist (like a suspension) to change their actions. And I know that because I'm speaking from experience.

And LAST I NEVER said he deserves for his career to be over. STOP LYING ABOUT WHAT I'VE SAID. I know you want to defend a two-time DUI drunk, but if you need to lie about what I said in order to do so, take a look in the mirror and think about why you need to do that.

What I ACTUALLY said is he should be fired from this team. Didn't say anything else about the rest of his career. I think he should take some time away, regroup his life, figure out how to get help and then he can absolutely rebuild his career from there.

And the reason I judge is because of people like you, who are continually blinded by ANYTHING bad about their team/political corner, able to overlook pretty much any offense, defend domestic absusers/Drunk Drivers because those people merely wear Cardinals red or are on their side politically. And that I think is pathetic.

 

[unseenaz]

Name-dropping a dead cop? Was he really wasted, lying his ass off, or just that out of touch with reality?

Police Report: Cardinals GM Steve Keim Tried To Name-Drop A Dead Cop During His DUI Arrest

https://deadspin.com/police-report-cardinals-gm-steve-keim-tried-to-name-dr-1827507541

sounds like he was really wasted. this is sad - also "early morning hours", refused the FST, name dropping a deceased officer, lying about your job.. this wasn't he had 1 too many beers at the fireworks show. many of us could have related to that, which is why i think many were cautious to call for his head when the reports first came out. this gets worse as more info comes out. idk what the right decision to make is for the team. tough spot that keim put everyone in.

 

[splitsecond]

The idea that you're not defending a drunk who's now gotten multiple DUIs if freaking laughable and insulting.

The reason i think he should be fired are two-fold. One, as the leader of the team, he sets an AWFUL example for his players. If he can go around driving drunk, why can't they? And second... and this is actually MUCH more important, maybe, JUST MAYBE it would actually have an impact on him so he doesn't keep getting in cars drunk and putting other people's lives at risk. Because that's what he's doing... going out in a massive machine where he could KILL PEOPLE.

Some people need a massive slap in the face, not the wrist (like a suspension) to change their actions. And I know that because I'm speaking from experience.

And LAST I NEVER said he deserves for his career to be over. STOP LYING ABOUT WHAT I'VE SAID. I know you want to defend a two-time DUI drunk, but if you need to lie about what I said in order to do so, take a look in the mirror and think about why you need to do that.

What I ACTUALLY said is he should be fired from this team. Didn't say anything else about the rest of his career. I think he should take some time away, regroup his life, figure out how to get help and then he can absolutely rebuild his career from there.

And the reason I judge is because of people like you, who are continually blinded by ANYTHING bad about their team/political corner, able to overlook pretty much any offense, defend domestic absusers/Drunk Drivers because those people merely wear Cardinals red or are on their side politically. And that I think is pathetic.

I actually think your first point is your best point re: him being punished professionally. One of the things that I think we all agree on is that we have a system in politics, the justice system and professionally where there are 2 tiers of punishment. You can't let him slide on this because it sets about the worst example possible and gives players even more reason to be upset with how the league doles out punishment.

I don't know if I am at the firing level on this just yet. The punishment doled out by the courts is supposed to be enough to dissuade someone from ever doing this again, but considering he is likely going to get a day and $1500 fine with no historical priors, that seems like a slap on the wrist. I mean if I were him I would be so embarrassed I probably wouldn't ever drink again. But I am not him.

 

[Solar7]

Also - Hopefully they threw the book at your friend when it happened - DUI and underage drinking.

Dude. Really? Did you even read the post I made earlier about it? He was well below the legal limit but got in trouble for zero tolerance because he was 20 years old. You really think that someone who is old enough to die in war shouldn't be allowed to drink to the point of "throwing the book at him?"

I can understand being unhappy with someone over the limit, but he was being responsible and taking my drunk ass home. Who was also underage.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opi...eral-manager-arizona-cardinals-dui/775571002/

Sorry if this was posted already. This was the first time I read something from Michael Bidwill.

Bunch of stuff that I have not read yet, but none of it good for Keim.

Starting to think he is going to get fired.

What a way to deflate the season before it begins.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Some of y’all need to find your happy place and stay there. The anger on this thread is over the top

I’ll again state mods should poo it down as everything g that could be said has been and a lot more that shouldn’t have.

 

[TJ]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opi...eral-manager-arizona-cardinals-dui/775571002/

Sorry if this was posted already. This was the first time I read something from Michael Bidwill.

Bunch of stuff that I have not read yet, but none of it good for Keim.

Starting to think he is going to get fired.

What a way to deflate the season before it begins.

That’s what I read and I didn’t get the vibe that Bidwill was going to can him.
I saw it as a reiteration of the league’s personal conduct policy regarding these matters.

 

[ajcardfan]

Some of y’all need to find your happy place and stay there. The anger on this thread is over the top

I’ll again state mods should **** it down as everything g that could be said has been and a lot more that shouldn’t have.

Agreed. I will lock it.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I hope to make president someday!