Arthur Brown... Can he play SILB next to DWash?

[sundevil04]

Everything i read says he has top 15 talent but is undersized. His stats are off the charts and size wise he's 6'1 241.... Same exact size as Manti Teo who many see as a 3-4 SILB. My question is to those who are familiar with Arthur Brown, can be play SILB in our defense?

 

[WildBB]

Everything i read says he has top 15 talent but is undersized. His stats are off the charts and size wise he's 6'1 241.... Same exact size as Manti Teo who many see as a 3-4 SILB. My question is to those who are familiar with Arthur Brown, can be play SILB in our defense?

Yeah he's just as big as Willis is. I think while DWash is out he'd start right away with dude we picked up from Minn.

I think he could handle the weak side OLB spot as well. Move Acho to the strong side.

 

[Bodha]

Why would you take Brown when Teo is available?


Better at literally everything that happens between the whistles

 

[sundevil04]

Everything thing I see compares him to Navarro bowman, I think all too often size is overrated in he draft. Arthur Brown is the exact same size as Patrick Willis

 

[Chopper0080]

Why would you take Brown when Teo is available?


Better at literally everything that happens between the whistles

He is faster, better in coverage with as good of tackling. Te'o is an inferior prospect.

 

[Bodha]

Everything thing I see compares him to Navarro bowman

Thats an extremely high endorsement.

But every CB is the next Primetime. And none ever are. DWash was special. Manti has the hardware to prove hes special. Arthur is a tweener.

 

[Bodha]

He is faster, better in coverage with as good of tackling. Inferior prospect to Te'o.

Are you saying Brown is better at those things, or is Teo?


Because you ended with Arthur is Inferior to Teo, which I agree.

 

[unseenaz]

Thats an extremely high endorsement.

But every CB is the next Primetime. And none ever are. DWash was special. Manti has the hardware to prove hes special. Arthur is a tweener.

College accolades are great, if that's the hardware you're referring to. College awards have never been a stepping stone to the nfl tho. Look as Heisman winners for example.

 

[sundevil04]

Arthur's is considerably faster than Teo

 

[Bodha]

College accolades are great, if that's the hardware you're referring to. College awards have never been a stepping stone to the nfl tho. Look as Heisman winners for example.

I agree, but numbers matter. Tape matters. Teo has been outstanding for 2 straight years.

He was a top 10 pick LAST year too.

 

[WildBB]

Why would you take Brown when Teo is available?


Better at literally everything that happens between the whistles

Te'o is a 4-3 MLB basically. Two down as a 3-4 SILB.

Arthur Brown is a 3 down player. Speed, speed, speed. Can play pretty good as well. NFL rating also rates him above Te'o.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/track...input/dt-by-round-input:1/dt-by-grade-input:1

 

[sundevil04]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1619684/arthur-brown

This is the analysis that got my wheels turning on him

 

[sundevil04]

For those that say the Navarro bowman comparison is rich, remember where bowman was drafted and what was said about him on draft day

 

[Bodha]

Te'o is a 4-3 MLB basically. Two down as a 3-4 SILB.

Arthur Brown is a 3 down player. Speed, speed, speed. Can play pretty good as well. NFL rating also rates him above Te'o.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/track...input/dt-by-round-input:1/dt-by-grade-input:1

they hate Teo

They also have 21 guys rated higher than our own J Cooper. Including G Larry Warford.

Do you think theres 21 players in this draft better than Cooper? Nobody else does either. That chart is garbage

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Arthur's is considerably faster than Teo

.08 is "considerably faster"? That's less than a tenth of a second. Also the 2 are almost dead even in short shuttle and 3 cone drill times. Factor in anticipation and instincts and you could argue that Te'o actually plays faster than Brown.

 

[WildBB]

they hate Teo

They also have 21 guys rated higher than our own J Cooper. Including G Larry Warford.

Do you think theres 21 players in this draft better than Cooper? Nobody else does either. That chart is garbage

Anyway, Te o isn't a fit on our D. Too slow. Two down player.

Cooper is obviously a fantastic fit, no matter what he's rated by them overall.

 

[perivolaki]

Couldn't disagree with this more.

Brown is a quicker decision maker that explodes to the ball carrier.

I see Brown, kind of like DWash, being extemely quick to the ball while Te'o is to often engaged with offensive lineman because he's not as quick a decision maker and not as quick to the ball.

 

[sundevil04]

I think arthur brown is a major sleeper in this draft a la Navarro Bowman

 

[Duckjake]

Anyway, Te o isn't a fit on our D. Too slow. Two down player.

Cooper is obviously a fantastic fit, no matter what he's rated by them overall.

What is our D? I have no idea what Bowles is going to try to do. So can't really make a determination as to whether any player is a fit for our defense other than having special teams skills.

 

[HoodieBets]

Brown is a 3 down MLB who can cover a TE, he is my highest rated player left but dont think he would be great in a 3-4. I dont see him here if we are running a blitz heavy defense since he was taken off the field in those situations in college. Not effective at getting to the passer. He could be a great 4-3 MLB or an average 3-4 SILB.

 

[Chopper0080]

Are you saying Brown is better at those things, or is Teo?


Because you ended with Arthur is Inferior to Teo, which I agree.

I edited that post.

Te'o is inferior to Arthur Brown.

Te'o had to drop weight this offseason to run fast in offseason workouts while Brown added weight and still ran faster.

Brown is better in coverage than Te'o and has the quick twitch burst to cover in the NFL.

Brown is a very physical player similar to Te'o, but he plays quicker as well.

This all being said, Brown is a questionable fit in a 3-4. He is similar to Navarro Bowman, but Bowman plays in a defense that holds offensive linemen while the Cardinals appear to be playing a defense that asks its DLine to pentetrate which doesn't help it's LBs.

I don't love the idea of taking a two down ILB who has been shown to struggle vs. pro type offensive linemen like Te'o did vs. Alabama. No to Te'o.

 

[Monty]

Any Penn State fan who watched Bowman in State College will tell you the one thing that stood out in Navorro's play was just how good he was in traffic. He wasnt a big, bulky linebacker mashing his way through guards, tackles and fullbacks but yet always managed to evade blockers to get to the backfield fast. He is a different linebacker now to what he was in college and his game has changed but his instincts and his ability to read traffic and get to the playmaker are still the foundations of his game and what makes him a pro bowl linebacker.

I see some of that same instincts and sideline to sideline play in traffic from Arthur and can definitely see why several people have mentioned similarities to Navorro Bowman. I think Brown needs work on his tackling and needs to gain about 10 pounds but I do think he has the makings of a potentially very good SILB in a 3-4 defense. With his speed and pretty good coverage ability he would be the 4 down type linebacker you could plug in next to Daryl Washington. Therefore I would be very happy if he was our pick at #38.

All that said I dont see the Cards taking him as I do believe they will have at least one or two pass rushers they are high on in Tank Carradine or Damontre Moore at #38. I think they will pick either of those if they are on the board and if they are not they may still be more inclined to go with a safety.

 

[Duckjake]

Any Penn State fan who watched Bowman in State College will tell you the one thing that stood out in Navorro's play was just how good he was in traffic.

What would they tell you about Gerald Hodges?

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

All the so called experts have admitted that T'eo is very poor at shedding blocks. That is why Alabama beat him every play. He plays on instinct to get around and in between blocks. But the NFL will be more like Alabama's line.

I think we need to go safety. There will be a couple very good ones waiting for us to call their name. Nothing to question about them. I am praying we land Cyprien, however I chose Brown in the poll.

 

[Monty]

What would they tell you about Gerald Hodges?

I've watched more of Hodges on tape than I've seen him playing at Penn State, since I've been away from PA a lot over the last two years.

Hodges is a very good athlete but his instincts aren't as good as most linebackers Penn State has produced over the years. Some fellow Penn State fans have tried compared him to Bowman but those comparisons are extremely flawed in my opinion. Bowman has far better instincts and as importantly takes much, much better angles to the ball carrier than Hodges. Hodges also isnt nearly the quality tackler in space that Bowman, Lee and Poz were coming out of college.

Hodges is a very good athlete overall, is good in pass coverage and is a very hard worker. However, I consider him to still be a raw product in that he has a number of things he still needs to work on such as his tendency to takes bad angles to the ballcarrier and generally average instincts that leave him too much ground to make up more often than not. Because he is a such an athlete and hard worker, he was able to work around these weaknesses in college and was also helped by a scheme that gave him a lot of cover. As a draft prospect I see him as a WILB type linebacker with considerable talent but that needs time and good further coaching to succeed at the NFL. If you put him in the right scheme and pair him with a very good MLB, I think he’ll be a good one. He would benefit most from going to a team that has at least one very good MLB and where the pressure to play immediately isnt high. I therefore dont think he is a good fit for the Cards at this moment in time. Hodges will likely go in the 3rd or 4th. With our needs being what they are I dont see the Cards targeting him.