ASU signs #28 SF V. Rudd

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Scout is reporting ASU has signed 6'8'' 200LB SF/PF from Nevada Victor Rudd. He wasn't really on ASUs radar until recently, this signing is probably to meant to patch the hole left when Kreal went South. With both Demetrius Walker and Trent Lockett in the fold at the wing positions in this recruiting class, Rudd will probably play at the 4 like Kuksiks did last year.

There's been some rumors about the kids attitude and other off the court stuff, but who knows how much you can really put into that. The same sort of nonsense was said about OJ Mayo and Michael Beasley and they didn't cause any trouble at their schools it seems.

Rivals has him listed more at the 4, and as the #31 PF overall (Scout has him as the #28 SF). Here's a profile from ESPN (highlights in bold):

January, 2009: Victor is a long and athletic combo forward. He has really improved his stock during the high school season. He is now a solid shooter to 17 feet. He is also effective putting the ball on the floor and attacking the basket, especially as a power forward where his quickness is a mis-match versus most 4 men. His handle and passing ability are solid. Rudd is a good rebounder for a wing forward and that should continue at the next level. Victor is a very good prospect that should be a solid contributor as a freshman and an impact player later in his career.

April, 2008: Ruud was one of the major disappointments of the event (2008 Southern California Hoop Review). Rudd has the ideal size for the three spot and is very athletic in the open court. However, he has yet to develop the appropriate skills and savvy to play at the high-major level. Presently, he settles far too often for 3-point shots and rarely attacks the basket. In addition, he doesn't play with a lot of purpose in mind and as a result his stock is plummeting.

2007: Rudd has great upside for the wing position at the next level. He possesses a great frame with long arms and soft hands. He has great range on his jump shot and a fairly quick release. He has the ability to drive to the basket and dunk in traffic, but he has a tendency to be a one-dimensional player as strictly a shooter. Defensively, he needs to polish up his fundamentals, especially out on the perimeter because he fails to get into a defensive stance, and become a better rebounder at both ends. In order for Rudd to maximize his upside (has high-major potential), he'll need to refine his perimeter game, become a better decision-maker with the ball in his hands and develop more confidence as a player -- tends to get down on himself.
 

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Legitimate concerns surround Rudd, who was kicked off the Henderson (Nev.) Findlay Prep team near the end of the season for disciplinary reasons. UNLV recruited Rudd as heavily as anyone — Lon Kruger was a regular in the stands — but it backed off after the player’s dismissal. Questions also surround Rudd’s academic eligibility since he left school early and went back to his Southern California home. Findlay coach Mike Peck told the Las Vegas Sun that he unfortunately would never offer a stamp of approval if a college coach asked about Rudd.

Just something I found.
 
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Just something I found.

Yep as I mentioned, some sites have listed disciplinary issues for the kid. Other sites Ive read here in the last hour make no mention of it, so its hard to know what the real deal is.

So far Herb has brought in good players who are also good people and hasn't had any off the court problems. He let star PG Jared Cunningham go (who ended up signing with OSU) due to concerns over him being academically eligible, so I'd be surprised if he'd take a risk on a different kid who might not get in or had off the court issues.
 
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6'8", so the Devils have to play him at Center?

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I think to start next year ASUs starting 5 will be:
C E. Boateng
PF R. Kuksiks
SF T. Lockett
SG T. Abbott
PG. D. Glasser

with these fellows getting minutes off the bench:
PG/SG J. McMillan
PF T. Rhode
SG/SF D. Walker
SF/PF V. Rudd
PF/C R. Pateev

Its not nearly as good on the high end as last years team, but its obviously a lot deeper. I think ASU might be able to sneak into the tourney as a bubble team depending on how a few of the young guys develop. The Pac 10 being down next year sure can't hurt.
 
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Its not nearly as good on the high end as last years team, but its obviously a lot deeper.
How is that? ASU lost easily their two best players and are replacing them with four marginally-heralded freshman out of a weak class. You can't list players who suck (ie Boateng, Rhode, Shipp) or will not be ready (Pateev, at least one of the other frosh) and claim them as depth just because they're hogging a scholarship. ASU will go seven deep again next year, eight at best.

It's going to take a monumental improvement from one of the returning players for ASU to get into the Tournament. You don't replace two NBA players and all conference performers with a few okay recruits and expect to keep things going. ASU still has next to nothing in the post and has the same vacuum with players that can create their own shot.

As far as Rudd goes, I hear he's a good talent but a bit of a headcase so nobody is really going to be able project him because there's no telling what his attitude will be like when he gets to Tempe. ASU could use the talent upgrade but I'm still not sure how he fits with all the other wings on the roster. One would figure Herb would be looking for impact big or a PG at some point.
 
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If you can't see how ASU is deeper, Im not sure what to tell you. Last year off the bench they played McMillan, Boateng and sometimes Shipp. This year they'll have McMillan, Rhode, Walker, Rudd & Pateev who may all get some minutes. Again, they won't have the high end talent of Harden and Pendy, but Rudd, Pateev and Walker are almost certainly an upgrade over Jerren Shipp, Kraidon Woods and Nico Fricchione.

EDIT: Further perspective:

Last year coming off the bench ASU had guys who came in ranked as follows
-An unranked PF (Rhode)
-#15 PG (McMillan)
-Unranked SF (Shipp)
-#3 C (Boateng)

This year ASU will have those same guys (minus Boateng who will be starting but probably getting in foul trouble and who knows playing how many minutes), plus:
-An unranked C (Pateev) (who will probably only get minutes in the OoC games unless Boat is hurt or in foul trouble)
-#28 SF/31 PF (Rudd)
-#32 SF (Walker)

And Id assume there will be some internal growth from guys like Rhode & McMillan.
 
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Yep as I mentioned, some sites have listed disciplinary issues for the kid. Other sites Ive read here in the last hour make no mention of it, so its hard to know what the real deal is.

So far Herb has brought in good players who are also good people and hasn't had any off the court problems. He let star PG Jared Cunningham go (who ended up signing with OSU) due to concerns over him being academically eligible, so I'd be surprised if he'd take a risk on a different kid who might not get in or had off the court issues.

Well to be fair I don't know specifics, but the kid WAS in fact kicked off Findlay's team. They even replaced him with a kid who was kicked off Danny Hurley's Jersey team, reportedly for a physical confrontation with Hurley.

So the fact that Findlay took a kid who apparently got into it with his HS coach, but still felt it necessary to kick Rudd off the team has to at least raise some red flags?

Memphis is another school who had interest and then dropped him when he was booted off Findlays squad.

There's also been a lot of talk about Rudd's academics as the story says he isn't just off the team, he's out of the school, and there's been some speculation Findlay has caught the attention of the NCAA and several of their players are going to undergo extra scrutiny from the Clearinghouse. When Avery Bradley committed to Texas a lot of people said he wasn't going to qualify anyways, he apparently has, largely because his GPA at Findlay was so much higher than at his prior school. I've seen some innuendo that the NCAA is going to really look hard at that stuff now.

Rudd isn't still at Findlay but if the NCAA decides findlay is a diploma mill it could impact him.
 
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^^^ Well Findlay isnt a diploma mill because its not a school. Its a private basketball club, the kids play for the team but go to a different private school. Its kind of a weird arrangement.

Also I dont believe he was 'kicked off' the team. From the reports I've read, he broke some team rules, was asked to apologized, and instead he quit. Not that thats any good either, but he wasn't kicked off.

It does seem weird for Sendek to take in a kid like this, Herb must think he can keep him in line though. I doubt Herb would take too big of a risk on a kid whos only as a 3 star, but maybe missing out on Kreal made him desperate.
 

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If you can't see how ASU is deeper, Im not sure what to tell you. Last year off the bench they played McMillan, Boateng and sometimes Shipp. This year they'll have McMillan, Rhode, Walker, Rudd & Pateev who may all get some minutes. Again, they won't have the high end talent of Harden and Pendy, but Rudd, Pateev and Walker are almost certainly an upgrade over Jerren Shipp, Kraidon Woods and Nico Fricchione.

EDIT: Further perspective:

Last year coming off the bench ASU had guys who came in ranked as follows
-An unranked PF (Rhode)
-#15 PG (McMillan)
-Unranked SF (Shipp)
-#3 C (Boateng)

This year ASU will have those same guys (minus Boateng who will be starting but probably getting in foul trouble and who knows playing how many minutes), plus:
-An unranked C (Pateev) (who will probably only get minutes in the OoC games unless Boat is hurt or in foul trouble)
-#28 SF/31 PF (Rudd)
-#32 SF (Walker)

And Id assume there will be some internal growth from guys like Rhode & McMillan.
Having depth means you have waves of players that can contribute and by my count ASU will only have seven of them next year at best (McMillan, Glasser, Abbott, Kuksiks, and I'll be nice and give you three of the four freshmen). It really doesn't matter who's available off the bench if those players can't contribute and Rhode, Boateng, Shipp, and at the very least Pateev won't be able to contribute the overwhelming majority of the time because quite frankly they're not Pac-10 level players.

You remind me of Arizona fan talking about next year's depth and bringing up the likes of Alex Jacobsen, Brendon Lavender, Garland Judkins, and Zane Johnson. There's a big difference between having a glut of readily available scholarship players and being a deep team.
 

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Going by Joe Lunardi (yeah, I know) ASU is the 5th place program in the Pac-10

UCLA (4)
Cal (5)
Washington (6)
USC (7)
ASU (11)
??? -- Not even on the Next Four Out list
 

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I think four Pac-10 teams at best are going to get in next year and three of the spots are pretty much guaranteed to be UW, Cal, and UCLA. USC/Arizona/ASU all probably lost too much to make up with freshmen. I think the Oregon schools could be sleepers especially OSU who I think is going to make a serious run at the Tournament. Stanford will be awful. If I was Lunardi I'd replace ASU with OSU.
 

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^^^ Well Findlay isnt a diploma mill because its not a school. Its a private basketball club, the kids play for the team but go to a different private school. Its kind of a weird arrangement.

Also I dont believe he was 'kicked off' the team. From the reports I've read, he broke some team rules, was asked to apologized, and instead he quit. Not that thats any good either, but he wasn't kicked off.

It does seem weird for Sendek to take in a kid like this, Herb must think he can keep him in line though. I doubt Herb would take too big of a risk on a kid whos only as a 3 star, but maybe missing out on Kreal made him desperate.


Findlay is a basketball academy that's on the grounds of Henderson International school which is essentially a private prepschool. I read a ton about Findlay last year when UCLA was trying to get involved with Avery Bradley and he wound up transferring to Findlay. Basically when he went to Findlay, any chance he had of getting into UCLA was gone.

Findlay prep is named after former UNLV player Cliff Findlay who got rich in the car business and decided to open a prep "school". Findlay is in its 3rd or 4th season and from the begining they faced accusations that they were steering players to UNLV and were in essence a diploma mill due to the extremely high grad rate of kids who mostly arrive in academic peril. I believe when I read last year every singled player who'd gone through Findlay graduated and qualified for college. Cal had Jorge Gutierrez this year as a freshman, the reason he was available so late is he was a kid from Mexico who went to Findlay and the Clearinghouse took extra long before approving his transcripts. In that time Cal hired Monty and got involved. Jorge might be my favorite non UCLA player in the Pac 10 next year.

So you're right Findlay itself is not a school but it's directly tied to Henderson. SI recently wrote a story on their national championship this year and pointed out how shady the whole thing looks on paper.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/highschool/04/09/findlay.prep/index.html?eref=T1

Rudd was suspended for academics but during the ESPN televised tournament they said on air they were told he was kicked off the team at Findlay. The same guys said Tristan Thompson was booted off a New Jersey team for a physical confrontation with Dan Hurley, and wound up at Findlay. The article I linked above said it was a verbal confrontation, Thompson was kicked off on a Tuesday, and by Saturday was a playing for Findlay.

To me it's like when a CEO gets fired and the company announces he quit, you never know the truth, but the guys on the telecast on ESPN said Rudd was kicked off the team according to someone at Findlay. He left school at that time and that's why nobody expects him to qualify.

I should add he might be better than a 3 star, when you aren't playing for awhile your ranking tends to go down. Rudd has missed quite a bit of playing time last year and this year due to academics and other issues. He went down last year, raised his rating during the summer, and then went down again this year after leaving Findlay.
 
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I didn't feel like starting a new thread but according to Devils Digest ASU has given out its last scholarship to 6'2'' 185lb combo guard from San Antonio Brandon Thompson. He's rated as a one star but also had offers from Texas Tech and Georgetown, so he can't be that bad.

On the one hand I sort of would've preferred if Sendek held onto the scholarship for a big man next year, but ah well. Thompson will be the 3rd PG on the roster for this year and be the main backup PG next year behind McMillan and provide depth at that position until Josiah Turner comes in.

EDIT: VVV I agree he'll probably end up a 3 star.
 
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Thompson will be probably be re-evaluated by Scout. The reason he's only one star right now was that he was just added to the database a few weeks ago. He's pretty unknown because he didn't do the AAU circuit. I'm guessing he ends up 3 stars. He's 6'2" but he's got a 6'7" wingspan. He shot over 40% from 3 and averaged 17 pts and 3 steals for one of the best teams in Texas.
 

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Looks like some of the other sites have done some re-evaluating of Thompson. He's now 3 stars on Rivals and ESPN now rates him at 90, which is second highest of ASU's commits (Walker is 92).

EDIT: He's now 3 stars on Scout as well.
 
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