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The Avengers have been having a rough go of it lately at the hand of Brian Michael Bendis (writer de jour at Marvel these days—he walks on water as far as they’re concerned, it seems). He’s killing major characters and taking the Avengers apart. The long running series ended with issue 503.

Here’s how it happened:

**spoilers**











I guess at some point while I was out of comics--really only a few years in the late 80's and mid-90's--Scarlet Witch conjured up a pregnancy and ultimately two children for herself, and it was a few years before the Avengers figured out that these kids weren’t real. When they called her on it, she sort of broke down, and ultimately either had some sort of self-imposed amnesia, or someone else "made" her forget. I don’t know for sure—like I said, I wasn’t following comics at the time.

Well, turns out, she remembers now and she's pissed that her “children” and memories were taken from her. She killed Hank Pym, Hawkeye and Vision (and possibly Jack of Hearts, although he was already thought to be dead--but he is for sure now). She destroyed the Mansion by bringing about a Skree/Skrull invasion; she made She-hulk lose control and go on a rampage, she made Tony Stark (appear) drunk during an address to the UN, ultimately resulting in a revocation of government status for the group and costing Stark billions of dollars as his stock plummeted--he lost so much money that he can't bankroll the Avengers anymore. They're kaput. Fini.

So, now the series will reboot in a title called “the New Avengers.” It will feature a somewhat controversial lineup—controversial because there are some clearly out of place characters, characters that are clearly there to sell comics instead of to tell a tight story. Here’s the new lineup that will debut sometime in the next few weeks (I forget exactly when, maybe even today):

Captain America
Wolverine
Iron Man
Power Man
Spider-Man
Spider-Woman
Sentry
…and a mystery character.

Spider-Man and Wolverine are Marvel’s two most marketable characters, but neither really “fit” into the Avengers (at least, not into the Avengers as we knew them). Seems like a pretty blatant attempt to sell books, to me.

The mystery character was brought to the attention of the fanboy public in a photograph of the New Avengers cover in a USA today story. There is some speculation that it’s daredevil in a new costume/identity because of some of the happenings in his own title.

Anyway, interesting stuff…if you’re me.
 

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Captain America
Wolverine
Iron Man
Power Man
Spider-Man
Spider-Woman
Sentry
…and a mystery character...
Ugh...what a horrible combination. Why don't they just throw Dr. Strange in it and call themselves the defenders?
 
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Ugh...what a horrible combination. Why don't they just throw Dr. Strange in it and call themselves the defenders?
:biglaugh:

I suspect :hope: that this is a temporary line-up designed to attract readers that will morph rather quickly into a more sensible roster.
 

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Well the cover art looks cool at least....still can't figure out why they have 2 spider characters in the team...


Edit: Sorry had to use this method to show the cover.
 

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Djaughe said:
Well the cover art looks cool at least....still can't figure out why they have 2 spider characters in the team...

Pics?
 
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It's speculated that the character with the chucks is Matt Murdock.


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It's speculated that the character with the chucks is Matt Murdock.
lol...it annoys me when pencilers whack out the proportions on superheroes...captain america looks like he's holding a fresbie.
 

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Just to point out...

Spiderman has been an Avenger since the 80s. He was what was known as "Inactive reserve status", meaning he had an open invite to join at anytime and was always one of the first called on in times of trouble.

Now I haven't read comic books since the mid 90s so his status may have changed.
 

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Spiderman has been an Avenger since the 80s. He was what was known as "Inactive reserve status"
Wasn't that George W Bush's status too?? :shrug:
 

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I saw a picture, but can't easily find anything out. Does anyone know anything about the 'Exiles'?
 
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I saw a picture, but can't easily find anything out. Does anyone know anything about the 'Exiles'?
I own every issue. Do you want to know something specific? or just what they are?

They started out as minor x-men that were "grabbed" by a being called the Timebroker to fix broken timelines in inumerable "broken" realities. It was written by Judd Winnick (the Real World guy, puck's enemy, Pedro's friend). The guy is one of the best writers around, and this is the title that got him noticed.

It's a neat premise that borrow's heavily from the earlier Marvel "What If..." titles because anything goes in alternate realities--In some realities, Professeor X hates humanity, in some there are groups of ultra-powerful (and familiar) psychotic heroes, etc...the Exiles try to set things right in these realities, some things seem counter to what they would ordinarily believe.

The common and more and more recurring question is "can or should the Timebroker be trusted?" Winnick is no longer writing it and the series suffers for that (Exiles' loss is Batman's gain, however), and like the What If...series', the artists seem to change too often, but overall it's a very interesting series. I like it.

Also, the Exiles roster is ever-changing. They swap out a member ever few issues. The result is that it's no longer made up od just x-men. In fact, a member they picked up along the way I don't think existed in the Marvel universe prior to her introduction in this title, but was left behind in the "normal" marvel reality and is appearing in other comics (she's supposed to be Nightcrawler's daughter from another timeline).

PS--I absolutely love talking about this stuff, so ask me anything!
 

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I own every issue. Do you want to know something specific? or just what they are?

They started out as minor x-men that were "grabbed" by a being called the Timebroker to fix broken timelines in inumerable "broken" realities. It was written by Judd Winnick (the Real World guy, puck's enemy, Pedro's friend). The guy is one of the best writers around, and this is the title that got him noticed.

I'm glad he became what he really wanted to be and it's cool he's that good.

So, we're talking Time Cop for X-men? Cool idea.


It's a neat premise that borrow's heavily from the earlier Marvel "What If..." titles because anything goes in alternate realities--In some realities, Professeor X hates humanity, in some there are groups of ultra-powerful (and familiar) psychotic heroes, etc...the Exiles try to set things right in these realities, some things seem counter to what they would ordinarily believe.

I like this idea, as it allows you to break all the existing history you've constructed over time.

The common and more and more recurring question is "can or should the Timebroker be trusted?" Winnick is no longer writing it and the series suffers for that (Exiles' loss is Batman's gain, however), and like the What If...series', the artists seem to change too often, but overall it's a very interesting series. I like it.

I wonder if Batman is something Judd's always wanted to write.


Also, the Exiles roster is ever-changing. They swap out a member ever few issues. The result is that it's no longer made up od just x-men. In fact, a member they picked up along the way I don't think existed in the Marvel universe prior to her introduction in this title, but was left behind in the "normal" marvel reality and is appearing in other comics (she's supposed to be Nightcrawler's daughter from another timeline).

I like that.

Okay, so did you figure out who the mystery character is, or why there are 2 spider characters? What does Sentry do and is Power Man worth anything?

While I'm spouting comic questions, do you like the JLU animated series and is the MTV Spider-Man going to come back?

I could easily get into the whole comics thing. Cool stories, gripless scenarios and the women are drawn much better than when I was a kid.

I have Firestorm #1. Is that worth anything?
 
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Okay, so did you figure out who the mystery character is, or why there are 2 spider characters? What does Sentry do and is Power Man worth anything?
The first issue of the New Avengers was pretty a pretty standard "a bunch of heroes get together because there's a mass-breakout at the super-villain prison" story. So far, only Daredevil (as Matt Murdock), Spider-man, Captain America and Power Man are there. No fighting so far. Sentry is actually in the prison --Murdock and Power Man were going tro see him for some reason..."because he's quite possibly the most powerful meta-human on the planet," says Dr. Strange to Murdock...tho I don't know anything about him, they say he's in prison for killing his wife. While the riot/breakout was happening he was sitting quietly with his head hung low in his cell.

Power Man has superhuman strength and unbreakable skin. He's okay; Marvel seems to be trying to revive his popularity.

While I'm spouting comic questions, do you like the JLU animated series and is the MTV Spider-Man going to come back?
I never watched the MTV Spider-Man, tho I hear it was pretty cool. Don't know when it's coming back, only that it is.

The animated JLA is pretty good. Done in the same animation style as Batman and a Superman series that are both pretty good too. I don't care for the Anime Teen Titans.


I have Firestorm #1. Is that worth anything?
From the late-70's early 80's? Probably not. But, if it's his first appearence (I think it was a second story in a Green Lantern or a Flash comic), then possibly (i.e. depending on the condition around $20). Firestorm just re-launched with a new guy taking up the mantle instead of Ronnie. This time 'round he's black, and I'm not sure he has the professor talking in his head. If that's the one you have then it's probably not worth the cover price.
 

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Did you figure out what Sentry 'does' yet?


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I never watched the MTV Spider-Man, tho I hear it was pretty cool. Don't know when it's coming back, only that it is.

How do you know THAT it is?

The animated JLA is pretty good. Done in the same animation style as Batman and a Superman series that are both pretty good too. I don't care for the Anime Teen Titans.

Me neither.


From the late-70's early 80's? Probably not. But, if it's his first appearence (I think it was a second story in a Green Lantern or a Flash comic), then possibly (i.e. depending on the condition around $20). Firestorm just re-launched with a new guy taking up the mantle instead of Ronnie. This time 'round he's black, and I'm not sure he has the professor talking in his head. If that's the one you have then it's probably not worth the cover price.

I have the original one. Not a biggie.

Can you or someone else explain why Deadpool is such a draw? I have no idea who he is or what his powers are. Thanks.
 
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Did you figure out what Sentry 'does' yet?
Not yet. I thought the second issue would come out today, but it didn't.


How do you know THAT it is?
I read it in a magazine, I thought. I might be wrong, but I'd wager a fiver on it if pressed.


I have the original one. Not a biggie. I'll see if it's listed in the next Wizard price guide, I think the next issue comes out next week. They don't have every title, but with the new launch, they might have this one. Is it in good condition?

Can you or someone else explain why Deadpool is such a draw? I don't know much about him. Deadpool is a wide-cracking hitman. He's somekind of mutant, and I think he was another product of WeaponX (same as Wolverine). So, he must have somekind of healing factor, but beyond that I don't actually know much about him. I think his appeal is because he's funny like Spider-Man but ruthless like Wolverine. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if in some meeting 15 years ago Marvel execs sat around and said "Spider-Man and Logan are our top properties--let's combine them into a new character."
 

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Pariah, question.

How integral is the artwork the visuals for comic book readers? I mean, is there any sort of market (and/or desire) for novels about super heroes?
 
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Pariah, question.

How integral is the artwork the visuals for comic book readers? I mean, is there any sort of market (and/or desire) for novels about super heroes?
You're asking two very different questions. The art is just as important to the writing in comic books. A poorly rendered comic with a fantastic story is ruined for me (JMHO). Obviously, when you take the art away and replace it with prose descriping what was drawn, then you have a novel, not a comic book. So, the expectation is different for the different medium.

There is a market for comic book character novels, I'm not certain how profitable it is, though. There are a number of Batman novels out there, at least one Superman, a couple of X-Men and at least one Hulk. For the mosr part they're written by the same guys who write the comics. I think you can find them in the SciFi sections of book stores.

Peter David wrote a hulk novel, Roger Stern wrote "the Death of Superman." And, Andrew Vaachs, not a comic writer but a contemporary crime noir writer, has a Batman novel.
 

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Question on Elektra. I know nothing about her.

According to the new movie coming out, she died but came back. Is this as per the comics? In other words, is this part of what makes her a super hero.

Oh, and what exactly are her powers, besides looking hot?
 
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Question on Elektra. I know nothing about her.

According to the new movie coming out, she died but came back. Is this as per the comics? In other words, is this part of what makes her a super hero.

Oh, and what exactly are her powers, besides looking hot?
Yes, in the comic continuity Elektra was killed almost identical to the way she was in the film (the filmmakekers must have used the comic as a story board for that scene it was so similar).

But, in the comics there's a whole back story with Elektra and an organization called The Hand that has a history with the balck arts, and that's who resurects her in the comics. I'm not sure how she comes back in the movie, but if it's got anything to do with the hand, it'll be a little dissapointing. Elektra used to be a contract killer for the Hand in the comics, and thats why they brought her back--they thought she'd be really under their thumb (but, of course, she's not).

As far as I know, even after coming back from the dead, she's just a really good martial artist.
 
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