AW a Liability???

[fball13]

I am so tired of hearing AW talk the talk and not walk the walk. He was the biggest liability on the field on Sunday... yes, I know he was coming back from a major injury, but shouldn't that time off have been a good opportunity to learn the new defense??? He was out of position a ton, most noteably on the 1st TD (the replay of that play was hilarious, watching Rhodes keep looking back at AW like 'WTF' as Smith cruised into the endzone).

He's a freak of an athlete, but just doesn't seem to focus enough on the schemes... I think he needs to act like a leader/pro bowler and quit with the mental errors...

 

[Matt L]

He really shouldn't be asked to cover anyone

edit: maybe a fullback, but not a good receiving full back.

 

[WarnerHOF]

I would draft his replacement next year. He is as useless as Roy Williams nowadays.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I thought both Rhodes and Wilson were huge liabilities in the Panther's game. They were both out of position for most of the game, both giving up extremely easy passes. I can guarantee that when the Panther's play Green Bay, Newton will throw for half as many yards, and probably be intercepted several times also. This secondary is just as bad as they can be, so I guess we can't expect worse, which is a semi-optimistic view...

 

[Bodha]

In other news: man lands on the moon!


ADub has been a known liability in coverage for years now, its just getting more noticeable with his age. Say what you want but hes still one of the top safeties in the NFL.


Rhodes, on the other hand, looked extremely rusty sunday. He shouldnt get toasted like that, hes a much better cover man.


Im all for drafting a safety to replace him someday, been saying that for a long time. But id like to wait till someone worth drafting comes along. An Eric Berry or the next Sean Taylor ( i wish). Safety is an underrated position. look at the difference Troy and Reed make. If we do go get a safety, id want it to be a 1st rounder stud.



p.s. we already have his replacement, his names patrick peterson

 

[Jasper]

AW isn't a liability, I think he is an average safety in coverage. However in the box and on blitzes he's one of the best.

 

[AzStevenCal]

AW isn't a liability, I think he is an average safety in coverage. However in the box and on blitzes he's one of the best.

He was certainly far from being an average safety in coverage last season. We were all hoping it was injury related and that he'd be back to being somewhere near average in coverage but he didn't win over any converts against the Panthers.

Steve

 

[Crazy Canuck]

He was certainly far from being an average safety in coverage last season. We were all hoping it was injury related and that he'd be back to being somewhere near average in coverage but he didn't win over any converts against the Panthers.

Steve

Hoping?

It was injury related. He had a hip operation in the off-season, and he effectively missed all of this abbreviated training camp.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Hoping?

It was injury related. He had a hip operation in the off-season, and he effectively missed all of this abbreviated training camp.

Yes, hoping, although apparently I shouldn't have said "we were all". I know he had an injury and I know he played quite poorly last season. I HOPE that injury was the reason as opposed to injury along with the decline that comes with age and the wear and tear of his position.

Steve

 

[40yearfan]

Yes, hoping, although apparently I shouldn't have said "we were all". I know he had an injury and I know he played quite poorly last season. I HOPE that injury was the reason as opposed to injury along with the decline that comes with age and the wear and tear of his position.

Steve

Yes, hoping, although apparently I shouldn't have said "we were all". I know he had an injury and I know he played quite poorly last season. I HOPE that injury was THE reason as opposed to injury along with the decline that comes with age and the wear and tear of his position.

Steve

Is there an echo in here?

 

[Krangodnzr]

I would draft his replacement next year. He is as useless as Roy Williams nowadays.

Totally agree. We're in the position now that we can draft to replace a few bad starters (Levi Brown) and back ups to develop to be future starters.

A combination of AW, Rashad Johnson, and rookie next year should suffice.

 

[kerouac9]

AW isn't a liability, I think he is an average safety in coverage. However in the box and on blitzes he's one of the best.

Not last week. Or last year, outside of the Rams game to begint he season. He gets stoned in pass rush regularly now (happened a lot last week--when was the last time you saw Adrian Wilson anywhere near a quarterback?), and he doesn't wrap up runners--Brian Westbrook embarrassed him repeatedly.

The Cards would be well advised to draft two safeties next year, because Rashad Johnson is flat-out awful and probably only made the roster by grace of Wilson's injury.

It's a good thing we gave up a second-round pick in next year's draft, because we hardly have any needs going into the 2012 season.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Is there an echo in here?

Hey, if it's worth saying, it's worth saying twice. Hey, if it's worth saying, it's worth saying twice. I'm going to blame that on the newest addition to our household, a velocikitty (according to our other cats she's a completely new species). I couldn't keep her off the ipad.

Steve

 

[Russ Smith]

He was certainly far from being an average safety in coverage last season. We were all hoping it was injury related and that he'd be back to being somewhere near average in coverage but he didn't win over any converts against the Panthers.

Steve

exactly I give him a TON of credit for playing injured but he wasn't good in coverage last year either.

I think with young CB's the veteran safeties have to be more reliable, be where you're supposed to be, otherwise it's going to be that bad week after week.

Both guys struggled badly last week, I think with Rhodes it was more rust and focus, with Wilson it's just his constant trying to do too much, to go for the HR when we just need a single.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Not last week. Or last year, outside of the Rams game to begint he season. He gets stoned in pass rush regularly now (happened a lot last week--when was the last time you saw Adrian Wilson anywhere near a quarterback?), and he doesn't wrap up runners--Brian Westbrook embarrassed him repeatedly.

The Cards would be well advised to draft two safeties next year, because Rashad Johnson is flat-out awful and probably only made the roster by grace of Wilson's injury.

It's a good thing we gave up a second-round pick in next year's draft, because we hardly have any needs going into the 2012 season.

Evidently, you missed a great play on the running back for a loss on a blitz last Sunday.

 

[JeffGollin]

Evidently, you missed a great play on the running back for a loss on a blitz last Sunday.

He closed down from the left side and caught him from behind before he could cut past the LOS.

That said - he was a bit rusty in coverage (admitting that his "being nosy" led to his not giving Rhodes deep protectio over the top on the first TD pass to Steve Smith) and by no means was a dominating force out there last Sunday.

Still, I think he's exhibiting a lot of grit, and I'd still rather have him out there than I would Johnson or Abdullah.

It will take a lot of objectivity and discipline on the part of the coaching staff, but they absolutely have to scrutinize the game-tapes and determine whether it's "just rust" or something more serious and chronic. And if they do come to that conclusion, a hard decision will have to be made as to whether A-Dub is still our best option at SS.

I don't think the coaches are anywhere near having to make that decision (nor should we), and hopefully Adrian will gradually regain his mojo as the season unfolds).

One thing I hope we don't do, though, is to compare his play to previous Pro Bowl standards. What should remain our key focus is: "Is there anyone else on our roster in his place who'd make our defense better?"

 

[BigRedRage]

in 3-4 years PP will bs the SS, until then I like Wilson more than anyone else we could bring in for the same money.

 

[Jasper]

Evidently, you missed a great play on the running back for a loss on a blitz last Sunday.

There were also a lot of good solo tackles made.

 

[Russ Smith]

There were also a lot of good solo tackles made.

True but THIS year we need him to be more reliable in coverage because our CB's are so young they are going to need help from the veteran safeties. Goes for Rhodes too he was not sharp against Carolina.

I honestly think the whole team expected as I did that Newton would be confused and tentative and he surprised them with how good he was.

 

[AzStevenCal]

True but THIS year we need him to be more reliable in coverage because our CB's are so young they are going to need help from the veteran safeties. Goes for Rhodes too he was not sharp against Carolina.

I've felt this way even before Toler went down but especially since Greg's injury. Everybody is concerned about our pass rush and rightly so but IMO our coverage will live and die on whether or not Wilson can bounce back to his pre-2010 level. He was never great in coverage but we just can't afford a repeat of last year from his position. And, if anything, his replacement is not just worse but much worse. I'm not as worried about Rhodes although I'm sure the shortened offseason, a new system and playing alongside a freelancing Wilson will cause a few hiccups.

Steve

 

[Duckjake]

I am so tired of hearing AW talk the talk and not walk the walk. He was the biggest liability on the field on Sunday... yes, I know he was coming back from a major injury, but shouldn't that time off have been a good opportunity to learn the new defense??? He was out of position a ton, most notably on the 1st TD (the replay of that play was hilarious, watching Rhodes keep looking back at AW like 'WTF' as Smith cruised into the endzone).

He's a freak of an athlete, but just doesn't seem to focus enough on the schemes... I think he needs to act like a leader/pro bowler and quit with the mental errors...

Wilson's been like that for 10 years. People have been complaining about his free lancing and blowing coverages for as long as he's been on the team. Most people love his run defense and that's why every year a fan or two says he should be moved to LB.

Wilson is the poster boy for the Cardinals annual break but don't bend Defense. He'll make 2,3,4, solid plays and then just kill us with a blown coverage.

 

[Jasper]

in 3-4 years PP will bs the SS, until then I like Wilson more than anyone else we could bring in for the same money.

We just do not have any luck drafting CBs.
Tom Knight
Eric Green
AW (now a strong safety)
A. Rolle (now a free safety)
DRC (traded)
PP (going to be a safety)

We should scrub the 3-4 and go for the 46 since our personnel looks like a better fit for the 46.

Bump and man corners and get both of our tackles in the game with Williams and Carter.

 

[Jasper]

Wilson's been like that for 10 years. People have been complaining about his free lancing and blowing coverages for as long as he's been on the team. Most people love his run defense and that's why every year a fan or two says he should be moved to LB.

Wilson is the poster boy for the Cardinals annual break but don't bend Defense. He'll make 2,3,4, solid plays and then just kill us with a blown coverage.

Who was the real freelancer in the AW - A. Rolle tandem?

 

[Duckjake]

We just do not have any luck drafting CBs.
Tom Knight
Eric Green
AW (now a strong safety)
A. Rolle (now a free safety)
DRC (traded)
PP (going to be a safety)

We should scrub the 3-4 and go for the 46 since our personnel looks like a better fit for the 46.

Bump and man corners and get both of our tackles in the game with Williams and Carter.

Wilson was a Strong Safety in college.

Buddy Ryan's 46 was the most successful defense in Arizona Cardinals history. His offense. Awful.

 

[crisper57]

AW just needs to become a human missile. That is his strength. When he is asked to cover, it is ugly.