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Hill's reward for picking Suns is title shot

Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 4, 2007 12:00 AM

TUCSON - When the Pistons were recruiting Grant Hill to return to Detroit in June, Pistons president and former teammate Joe Dumars told Hill that it was time to make a decision that would reward him for the travails of his career.

After five ankle surgeries, a hernia operation, a life-threatening staph infection and only four playoff games in the past seven years, Dumars told Hill he deserved a chance to win a championship.

"I think he was thinking about Detroit when he said that," Hill said in his first week of practice as the Suns' starting small forward. "He was right. This is a reward."
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The Suns feel like they are the ones being rewarded. To a team trying to corral its payroll, landing Hill for a two-year, $3.8 million contract allowed Phoenix to improve its starting five, team IQ and overall character with a player that coach Mike D'Antoni pegs to be an All-Star and average at least 15 points.

Hill is only two years removed from his seventh All-Star selection but still is doubted by some because he will turn 35 on Friday and has an awful history with his left ankle.

His early arrival in Phoenix to work with Suns athletic trainers has him at a healthier starting point than usual.

"I do feel like I've got something to prove," Hill said. "I kind of made it through a year, last year, healthy. I feel like I've got a lot left to offer. I feel like I can still play this game at a high level so I look forward to proving that."

Hill's first six seasons produced numbers at a Hall of Fame level.

Slam magazine put him on a cover with the title, "Like Mike. Only better."

Suns assistant Alvin Gentry coached Hill for the final five of his six Detroit seasons, including 2 1/2 as his head coach.

"Before he got hurt, he was as good as any player in the league," Gentry said. "He was really made to play in our system. It's unfortunate he didn't play in a system like this when he was healthy and almost a MVP in this league.

"The big thing is that he's healthier than he's been in five years. I think he's going to surprise everybody. He's still got a ton of athleticism left."

At 6 feet 8, Hill has played every position in his career. It is that versatility that makes him an ideal fit. His playmaking and court smarts make him a point forward who can lighten Steve Nash's load and make the game easier on teammates because he will adapt.

"He thrives in an open, free-flowing kind of game," said D'Antoni, who is figuring the career midrange shooter taking about 150 three-point shots this season.

"Obviously, that will make us go a little bit faster and be more efficient."

Hill did not come for the money. He came for the chance to win a title.

He has yet to come close with his five playoff teams all losing in the first round and sending him to postseason media work.

But he has never had a team this talented or a point guard such as Nash with whom to work. Now Hill can finish or facilitate.

"He is the happiest guy in the world," Gentry said. "He's like, 'This is unbelievable.' "

It is appropriate that Hill turns 35 this week because that is a midpoint of sorts for him.

"My ankle might be 40 years old but my body feels like 30 because I haven't played a lot in the last few years," said Hill, who played 65 games last season but only 196 of the previous five seasons' 410 games.

"That's how I look at it - less mileage, less wear and tear on the body. I feel like I've got to make up those years on the back end."

Lots of hype, lots of pressure. If Hill doesnt perform like a 30 year old it's gonna make a lot of fans disappointed. However if he produces like they say he will, it will be freakin fantastic.
 

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^I don't know if I'll be disappointed if he's not amazing. The way I look at it, he's a James Jones replacement, so whatever he does thats above and beyond what Jones did will make me happy, now if he can't match Jones' production, then Ill be disappointed.
 
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Good point, but the hype is a bit overwhelming and we've yet to see a full week of team play with him. I think better than Jones is a given. But its a long fall from the pedestal he keeps getting hoisted up on if he gets injured or doesnt produce.

Im completely content with a JJ+1 performance, but hype after hype does nothing but raise expectations when they may not even need to be raised in the first place.
 

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I think one major benefit is that other teams will have to put plan to stop him from creating plays and scoring... as opposed to James Jones who was a spot up shooter, who can be stopped easily by contesting his shots. Defense wise, Hill is still smart, he isnt very quick anymore, but he can still make a difference by just reading the opponents play, put him on a lot of players not named Parker, and he will be decent to good in terms of defense.

Nash spotting up for 3 pointers at the corners will also be possible as "tactical" plays these days by having Hill control the ball from 3/4 court, with Nash and Bell running through screens. Then Diaw inside can get mismatches through screens also, hence having another option... apart from just the usual pick and roll with Amare.

Marion has another alley-oop feeder too, so it'll be interesting... Diaw, Nash and Hill will love playing with Marion and Amare and vice versa.
 
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grant hill has played in 19 playoff games in his career. the suns team played in 20 playoff games in the 05-06 run alone.
 

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I'm just looking forward to seeing what he's got left. I've always been a Grant Hill fan, so I'm excited to see him play on a regular basis here.
 

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Perhaps no other 35-year-old, in the history of 35-year-olds in professional sports, has had so much promising talk and praise among fans, coaches, and media.

I am beginning to believe this is yet another spin by Kerr and D'Antoni to create excitment. It is as if they just signed Jesus Christ or something. But no, it is a walking human hospital - a 35-year-old Grant Hill whose ankles have never been tested past 30 minutes a night.

And they want to play him over 30 minutes, all 82 games, while making the all-star break? Are we still talking about Grant Hill? For a second I thought Suns signed Tayshaun Prince or something.

I'll be skeptical of this guy until after the first 15 games.
 

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grant hill has played in 19 playoff games in his career. the suns team played in 20 playoff games in the 05-06 run alone.
No question playoff experience is valuable, but not necessarily a good indicator of what to expect. Diaw, for example, averaged 19/7/5 over 20 games in his very first post-season (2006). Coincidentally, Hill's career playoff averages over 19 games (1996-2007) are also 19/7/5.
 

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so in terms of options does it go:

option 1 - nash
option 2 - stoudemire
option 3 - hill
option 4 - barbosa
option 5 - diaw
option 6 - marion
option 7 - bell

???

by option, i mean the guy you'd be most comfortable with the ball to make a decision to do somehow get us a score.

i find it hilarious that i listed marion #6, but it sounds about right lol
 

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so in terms of options does it go:

option 1 - nash
option 2 - stoudemire
option 3 - hill
option 4 - barbosa
option 5 - diaw
option 6 - marion
option 7 - bell

???

by option, i mean the guy you'd be most comfortable with the ball to make a decision to do somehow get us a score.

i find it hilarious that i listed marion #6, but it sounds about right lol

Ahead of Bell? :p
 

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so in terms of options does it go:

option 1 - nash
option 2 - stoudemire
option 3 - hill
option 4 - barbosa
option 5 - diaw
option 6 - marion
option 7 - bell

???

by option, i mean the guy you'd be most comfortable with the ball to make a decision to do somehow get us a score.

i find it hilarious that i listed marion #6, but it sounds about right lol


well, if we are going to go with the "most comfortable with the ball to make a decision" mantra in terms of who will be the best option, I see it this way:

option 1 - amare
option 2 - nash
option 3 - barbosa
option 4 - hill
option 5 - marion
option 6 - diaw
option 7 - bell

i personally think that looks just about right.
 

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well, if we are going to go with the "most comfortable with the ball to make a decision" mantra in terms of who will be the best option, I see it this way:

option 1 - amare
option 2 - nash
option 3 - barbosa
option 4 - hill
option 5 - marion
option 6 - diaw
option 7 - bell

i personally think that looks just about right.

i don't know how nash isn't option #1. 10 seconds left in the game, you want the ball in Amares hands and not Steve?
 
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If we're playing the spurs, yes. I'd fear for Nash's life with ten second to go.
 

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i don't know how nash isn't option #1. 10 seconds left in the game, you want the ball in Amares hands and not Steve?

IMO, you want the MVP to have the ball in his hands to either score or get the ball to the right player to score. So I agree this makes Nash the #1 option.
 

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I'd take Bell shooting a 3 over Marion or Diaw trying to make a play in the closing seconds of a game. I'd also take Diaw over Marion in that situation because he has a much better ability to create his own shot.
 

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This is actually a wonderful argument to be having. We have a number of players that are good in the clutch.
 

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In critical conditions, the only guys I want to be decision makers are Nash, Hill and Diaw - definitely in that order. The other guys mindset should be that if the playmaker throws them the ball, they're supposed to drive or shoot as the situation dictates. In other words, trust the playmaker's decision. Sure there will circumstances where the playmaker just ran out of options so the other guys will have make a decision - hopefully they'll recognize those events.
 

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In critical conditions, the only guys I want to be decision makers are Nash, Hill and Diaw - definitely in that order. The other guys mindset should be that if the playmaker throws them the ball, they're supposed to drive or shoot as the situation dictates. In other words, trust the playmaker's decision. Sure there will circumstances where the playmaker just ran out of options so the other guys will have make a decision - hopefully they'll recognize those events.


yeah this is what i think. there are 3 offensive go-to-guys imo, and those are nash, hill, and diaw (in that order). the rest are there to make the plays work if that makes any sense. for example if nash gets into the lane and drops the ball back for amare to slam, then nash was the offensive option and amare was the guy who did the dirty work.
 

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In critical conditions, the only guys I want to be decision makers are Nash, Hill and Diaw - definitely in that order. The other guys mindset should be that if the playmaker throws them the ball, they're supposed to drive or shoot as the situation dictates. In other words, trust the playmaker's decision. Sure there will circumstances where the playmaker just ran out of options so the other guys will have make a decision - hopefully they'll recognize those events.

10 secons left requires a guy who can do it all: make the right pass, take the right shot, or drive the basket. Amare can't do that yet. Diaw didn't last year, but he did the year before. But in any case, it is great to have some real options and not be like the Lakers "Kobe or die".
 

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