BA on Amos Jones & Justin Bethel

[dreday]

Whoaaa.... I didn't even know that Butler was with them in Pittsburgh. That explains a lot!

Me neither! Damn!! Not cool BA. Do what's best for the team first!

 

[Cards_Campos]

Hmmmmmm. Where are all the people that were blasting me. Yes fired might have been harsh right now.....but I have a funny feeling if this blows up in the teams face.....and only if it does. I bet we wished we would have handled this sooner. BA is taking no responsibility and backing coaches and players who have no business being in this business. I see others on here following the bread crumbs toward why Arians was skipped over in Pittsburgh. Guys we have a team loaded with talent that a few coaches in the NFL would have 10-3 right now. Tampa and New England are not more talented. Heck New England loses its best player and they go out and score 30 on the number 1 defense. Green bay cant walk and chew gum 4 weeks ago....and now look unbeatable. Same with Pittsburgh and Tampa. It's how you coach and adjust!!!!

 

[Metcalf Rules]

Its kind of ironic.. Justin Bethel was once a special teams beast and now he's a defensive disaster. And now the special teams play is also disastrous.

 

[Cards_Campos]

I was wrong he is the next Whisenhunt. He is the next Chip Kelly.

 

[Bert]

I was wrong he is the next Whisenhunt. He is the next Chip Kelly.

Now that's just silly bro. Chip is a joke in the NFL. He cant hold BA's clipboard.

 

[dreday]

In reference to Amos Jones:

“I watch him prepare,” Arians said. “I watch him coach. It has nothing to do with faith. I know the guy can coach. His players aren’t playing very well. They’re my players, so if I’m going to fire him, I’ll fire myself.”

Is this an ultimatum?

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...e-Arians/f0a7394d-f582-419a-b1a4-db9560d56ae3

 

[MadCardDisease]

In reference to Amos Jones:

“I watch him prepare,” Arians said. “I watch him coach. It has nothing to do with faith. I know the guy can coach. His players aren’t playing very well. They’re my players, so if I’m going to fire him, I’ll fire myself.”

Is this an ultimatum?

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...e-Arians/f0a7394d-f582-419a-b1a4-db9560d56ae3

Obviously BA won't fire him and it's up to Keim.

 

[DeAnna]

Yeah, Keim should've just said "NO" when he wanted to bring them both with him, lol

 

[Russ Smith]

The clear answer here is to do what 49er fans did and copy UCLA fans and fly banners around saying Fire Amos Jones. It won't work, he won't get fired, but we'll be really good next year.

 

[JeffGollin]

Whatever happened to the exalted "accountability?"

Screw-ups on ST's cost us 4 wins, yet I don't hear Amos, BA, SK or any other club official own up to the fact that (1) things didn't go right, (2) it cost us games, (3) we have to figure out what went wrong and (4) those in charge must be responsible for doing what's needed to fix it.

Instead, we hear about how "it's players who snap badly, hold badly, kick badly (& tackle badly)."

Following that logic: Our staff members should just keep on keeping on, but expect a better result."

Really?

 

[pmacLean]

As far as I'm concerned, throwing Bethel under the bus like that was the last straw.. yes, Bethel can't play cornerback for snot, but that is news to these guys (Arians and staff)? They haven't figured that out before ? They already knew the experiment was a failure and they used him due to injuries, BUT, they already knew he was no good, geezzz, just **** and cut him at the end of the year. Yet you say that and follow it up with 'there will be NO coaching changes'. What ? Why weren't you publicly blasting Amos for not having ST ready to go ? Why weren't you blasting Drew Butler for being the absolutely worst Punter to ever hold onto his job (ranked 35th out of 32, a good trick there) ?

I have lost ALL respect for Arians.

I could care less if he left or got the boot tomorrow.

 

[overseascardfan]

I understand what Arians is saying. You can't call out a coach if the plan is to keep him until the end of the year, the players would see that as we don't have to listen to anything from that guy, maybe Arians doesn't want to tip his hat with his plans to fire Jones.

Plus I know everyone is calling for the head of Jones but I doubt anyone would do any better with out ST unit. Its not like Jones is making Catanzaro miss game winning kicks or causing Butler to average 5 yards a punt, they need a better P, K, return specialists and coverage team that can contain and tackle, that is on Keim to bring in guys that don't suck. How would anyone on this board improve our ST performance with the guys we have?

 

[Mitch]

I understand what Arians is saying. You can't call out a coach if the plan is to keep him until the end of the year, the players would see that as we don't have to listen to anything from that guy, maybe Arians doesn't want to tip his hat with his plans to fire Jones.

Plus I know everyone is calling for the head of Jones but I doubt anyone would do any better with out ST unit. Its not like Jones is making Catanzaro miss game winning kicks or causing Butler to average 5 yards a punt, they need a better P, K, return specialists and coverage team that can contain and tackle, that is on Keim to bring in guys that don't suck. How would anyone on this board improve our ST performance with the guys we have?

I had the honor of watching several of Tom Coughlin's practices when he was the HC at BC. He always started and ended every practice with numerous STs reps. How the HC treats STs makes a huge difference. For BA to solely blame the players is irresponsible. As I posted last week, imo, the Cardinals were toying with momentum---BA has totally mishandled the punting, snapping and holding situations---and has remained his arrogant self in spite of it all.

 

[Dback Jon]

I understand what Arians is saying. You can't call out a coach if the plan is to keep him until the end of the year, the players would see that as we don't have to listen to anything from that guy, maybe Arians doesn't want to tip his hat with his plans to fire Jones.

Plus I know everyone is calling for the head of Jones but I doubt anyone would do any better with out ST unit. Its not like Jones is making Catanzaro miss game winning kicks or causing Butler to average 5 yards a punt, they need a better P, K, return specialists and coverage team that can contain and tackle, that is on Keim to bring in guys that don't suck. How would anyone on this board improve our ST performance with the guys we have?

Couldn't do any worse

It is clear that Jones doesn't know how to evaluate and coach up talent. The blocked kicks are directly related to coaching. The snaps are coachable.

The season is lost because of special teams

Players are cut. Other teams fire assistants mid year

None of your points have any validity

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I understand what Arians is saying. You can't call out a coach if the plan is to keep him until the end of the year, the players would see that as we don't have to listen to anything from that guy, maybe Arians doesn't want to tip his hat with his plans to fire Jones.

Plus I know everyone is calling for the head of Jones but I doubt anyone would do any better with out ST unit. Its not like Jones is making Catanzaro miss game winning kicks or causing Butler to average 5 yards a punt, they need a better P, K, return specialists and coverage team that can contain and tackle, that is on Keim to bring in guys that don't suck. How would anyone on this board improve our ST performance with the guys we have?

So you're saying it's the players. All of them on special teams. They all stink. That's definitely more likely than a bad coach who puts that many players in a position to fail. Definitely. Yeah I totally agree with that. [eye roll].

As for what I would do to fix it . . . I would fire Amos and hire someone qualified to earn that cheddar and coach them. I'm not getting paid to fix it. Amos is. And he's failing. Repeatedly. And disastrously.

 

[football karma]

This year's STs aren't necessarily why Jones has to go

It's the last four years worth of STs

longer avg. punt returns given than produced
Longer avg kickoff returns given than produced
More punts had blocked (4) than blocked (0)

The fact that the "jump the center" trick had been shown by the Seahwks before-- and the team wasn't prepared for it is inexcusable.

 

[Mitch]

So you're saying it's the players. All of them on special teams. They all stink. That's definitely more likely than a bad coach who puts that many players in a position to fail. Definitely. Yeah I totally agree with that. [eye roll].

As for what I would do to fix it . . . I would fire Amos and hire someone qualified to earn that cheddar and coach them. I'm not getting paid to fix it. Amos is. And he's failing. Repeatedly. And disastrously.

Last night the Pats leap frogged Shea McClellan to block BAL's FG. Why didn't the Cardinals try that with the game on the line and 1 second left in MIA? I'll tell you why---under Amos STs never get creative---heck I can't recall one blocked punt in his 4 years here---and he hasn't come anywhere close to motivating anyone to return punts with any semblance of cajones, starting with Ginn and now once again with a highly disinterested Peterson.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Now that's just silly bro. Chip is a joke in the NFL. He cant hold BA's clipboard.

Not saying knowledge....the way he believes his system his coaches. . Chip Kelly trades Shady McCoy

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Last night the Pats leap frogged Shea McClellan to block BAL's FG. Why didn't the Cardinals try that with the game on the line and 1 second left in MIA? I'll tell you why---under Amos STs never get creative---heck I can't recall one blocked punt in his 4 years here---and he hasn't come anywhere close to motivating anyone to return punts with any semblance of cajones, starting with Ginn and now once again with a highly disinterested Peterson.

+1000

And that was against the Ravens, consistently one of the BEST ST teams since Harbaugh took over ( so blocks happen to everyone ), but the next field goal attempt, the Ravens already adjusted the snap, as the Pats were going to leap over again.

And then, the Ravens ST led to two turnovers that resulted in short fields for TDs, one was an outstanding directional punt, the other a kickoff to the goal line to the right side, forcing a return.

Both teams tried to take advantage of ST play as an opportunity to win.

 

[DeAnna]

Hmmmmmm. Where are all the people that were blasting me.

It only takes one person to start the mob frenzy, lol.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Last night the Pats leap frogged Shea McClellan to block BAL's FG. Why didn't the Cardinals try that with the game on the line and 1 second left in MIA? I'll tell you why---under Amos STs never get creative---heck I can't recall one blocked punt in his 4 years here---and he hasn't come anywhere close to motivating anyone to return punts with any semblance of cajones, starting with Ginn and now once again with a highly disinterested Peterson.

I agree about this. The hags schooled the Cards on it, other teams have now done it
successfully and yet our beloved Redbirds have not properly defended it nor have they tried to implement it in their special team game plan. Please don't try to tell me there is no one on the roster that doesn't have a 40" vertical leap to execute it.

Edit to add.. I'm guessing the league will come up with a rule to take it out of the game.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

+1000

And that was against the Ravens, consistently one of the BEST ST teams since Harbaugh took over ( so blocks happen to everyone ), but the next field goal attempt, the Ravens already adjusted the snap, as the Pats were going to leap over again.

And then, the Ravens ST led to two turnovers that resulted in short fields for TDs, one was an outstanding directional punt, the other a kickoff to the goal line to the right side, forcing a return.

Both teams tried to take advantage of ST play as an opportunity to win.

And they immediately cut Hester today, because of his miscues.

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[Stout]

If Amos doesn't go in the offseason, I'll be ready for BA to go for certain. That's a Whisenhunt level of stupid right there. I'll also be sorely tempted to jettison Keim as well, because he'll have allowed it to happen. Then again, Keim forcing the issue and firing Amos himself still won't leave BA in good standing with me. At any rate, this just plain sucks, and I'm not liking our head coach much right now.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

The system works.. The players just aren't producing.... Now where have I heard this before?

I know we can (and have) done a lot worse...... But between his blind loyalty.... and completely predictable play-calling.... I won't shed a tear if BA retires.

I know the injuries on the O-line threw a monkey wrench into the season, but his inability to adjust the game plan, and give our insurance salesmen (errr.. Tackles) help... in spite of every hack commentator knowing it should happen, I've seen enough.

By my count, we now have 3 Steeler coaches who were cut loose by Pittsburgh, and as in the last two cases, it makes perfect sense in hindsight.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I know the injuries on the O-line threw a monkey wrench into the season, but his inability to adjust the game plan, and give our insurance salesmen (errr.. Tackles) help... in spite of every hack commentator knowing it should happen, I've seen enough.

This is a knee jerk response, our interior gets beat as often as our tackles, so assisting with TE on the edge rush does little to nothing when Watford or Shipley get beat just as badly. We have schemes with TE assists, we have DJ chipping and sometimes blocking, but their isn't enough consistency in our backups to put help in the right spot regularly.

They are mixing up protection schemes to confuse the defenses just enough to try and give Palmer 3 seconds. The only obvious failure is they we can't make seven step drops as our tackles are not athletic enough to drive an edge rusher deep or stand them up. And you don't know what works until you succeed or fail - so you can't make a big adjustment mid-game with a line of backups.

I'm not saying the play calling is great, but it is being adjusted, and those adjustments have had success at times.