BA = Toxic

[juza76]

Floyd will play for the suberbowl with good chance of getting the title
We can say BA made a big favour to him

 

[RON_IN_OC]

It's his interpretation of the facts that make this an overreaction.

I get fans are frustrated by this season, but you don't kill a spider by lighting your house on fire.

My wife would.

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[RON_IN_OC]

I know several highs school bball coaches that have been to practices and Mike Kzysewski(sp. butchered) is as foul mouthed in practice as any coach around. A quote one coach told me is , "he makes Bobby Knight look like a saint." And he ******* to the refs to no end. So I don't buy those arguments at all. The Oregon coach that just got fired banned the use of foul language and being hard on players. Look how that worked out for him.

BA coaches and leads the way he sees best and has been very successful at it. Just because some don't agree with it doesn't make them right. It's the NFL, if players are too thinned skin to take any criticism, they are in the wrong business.

Exactly. BA is old school...he's not awarding participation trophies...and he's certainly not going to console refs, players, coaches, etc when he thinks, right or wrong, they are making glaring mistakes.

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[Cbus cardsfan]

So it's okay to beat up mentally on kids in practice but just don't say anything bad about them in public?

Have you watched Hard Knocks? Coaches are pretty much cut from the same cloth. Ask about any player and they'll take the coach who is straight with them rather sugar coating things. That's why the players, from everything we've heard, love BA. What's his saying, coach 'em hard, hug 'em later? They know he's got their best interests. Just because you don't like that he rightfully says Bethel is a failed progress at CB doesn't mean he treats him with less respect and talk to him in the locker room.

We fans get about 5-10% of what goes on in team and it's locker room.

As for this is the NFL argument, well whether you like it or not, that's how it is.

 

[GatorAZ]

Exactly. BA is old school...he's not awarding participation trophies...and he's certainly not going to console refs, players, coaches, etc when he thinks, right or wrong, they are making glaring mistakes.

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Unless they're buddies.

 

[unseenaz]

how you know the season is bad: we're arguing about the mental warfare tactics of coaching.

..lol..

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Coack K is coaching hand-picked McDonald All-Americans every year. That said, I have never heard him disparage a player publicly. In practice is where it belongs and where it should stay. This is not a fitting analogy.

I am sick of the "this is the NFL" argument, like all modes of human decency are thrown out the window. At the end of the day, it is about respect. Respect for people and respect for the game.

Mitch, professional sports rosters are the equivalent of McDonald's All Americans...and they are hand picked, via draft and free agency. They also have, for the most part, the highest of egos, especially when they are younger...mostly due to how they were treated at an early age. Sometimes egos need to be taken down a peg. One thing you should notice is BA really only calls out the youngsters in public...I can't recall when he's called out a vet in public, but even guys like Fitz and Palmer have gone on record with how even they get called out and ripped in front of the team when they screw up. All that said, I don't think BA says anything publically these guys can't handle.

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[DeAnna]

He's been an utter failure trying to cover as a corner, which is what BA was asked about. Great ST player, atrocious CB. He wasn't lying or sugar coating it.

Not in public, thru the media.

 

[Mitch]

Exactly. BA is old school...he's not awarding participation trophies...and he's certainly not going to console refs, players, coaches, etc when he thinks, right or wrong, they are making glaring mistakes.

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Old school doesn't work for today's athletes.

So it's okay to beat up mentally on kids in practice but just don't say anything bad about them in public?

Have you watched Hard Knocks? Coaches are pretty much cut from the same cloth. Ask about any player and they'll take the coach who is straight with them rather sugar coating things. That's why the players, from everything we've heard, love BA. What's his saying, coach 'em hard, hug 'em later? They know he's got their best interests. Just because you don't like that he rightfully says Bethel is a failed progress at CB doesn't mean he treats him with less respect and talk to him in the locker room.

We fans get about 5-10% of what goes on in team and it's locker room.

As for this is the NFL argument, well whether you like it or not, that's how it is.

Cbus---I know how practices go. But I also know that I have never seen the last three Super Bowl winning coaches (Carroll, Belichick and Kubiak) throw their own players under the bus publicly. Those guys are straight shooters too.

The Patriots are 11-2...but they made 3 uncharacteristic turnovers Monday night. What does Belichick say to the media? He says they need to coach better and that the players need to execute better. He gets how the two go and in hand. And whenever he is asked to comment on a single player, even Tom Brady, he defers and talks about the entire offense or defense. When asked if he think Tom played well, BB says, "I think the whole offense played well." Those kind of statements build team morale. Singling out players and calling them failures, deflates the team's morale.

 

[Mitch]

Mitch, professional sports rosters are the equivalent of McDonald's All Americans...and they are hand picked, via draft and free agency. They also have, for the most part, the highest of egos, especially when they are younger...mostly due to how they were treated at an early age. Sometimes egos need to be taken down a peg. One thing you should notice is BA really only calls out the youngsters in public...I can't recall when he's called out a vet in public, but even guys like Fitz and Palmer have gone on record with how even they get called out and ripped in front of the team when they screw up. All that said, I don't think BA says anything publically these guys can't handle.

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master---Justin Bethel is 5 year veteran and a captain---he's not a youngster.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I am sick of the "this is the NFL" argument, like all modes of human decency are thrown out the window. At the end of the day, it is about respect. Respect for people and respect for the game.

Bruce Arians is not Sen Joseph McCarthy, of whom Joseph N Welch said "At long last, have you left no sense of decency"

 

[Cards_Campos]

Mitch....and everyone else....you heard it hear. If this doesn't get fixed the right way. Watch Fitz get traded to New England or he will retire. Everyone is going to have to buy in for Fitz to stay. Not saying 100% I'm saying if this even gets worse. My feeling is if Floyd goes to the Patriots and flourishes ..than I think our ship starts to sink.
The funny thing about all this is...this reminds me of the Whisenhunt arguments. Someone please rekindle the start of the Whisenhunt has to go threads and you will see. In Eminem voice Omg you what Whiz fired!!! Are you a moron? Are you inbred? Do you type this from your basement of your mom's house? Whiz took us to the Super Bowl and won 2 NFC west titles! Are you Crazy?!

Oh how this will be funny if Arians keeps running straight ahead.

 

[Mitch]

Patriots play the compensatory pick game to perfection, again
Posted by Mike Florio on December 15, 2016, 5:02 PM EST

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It’s not likely that receiver Michael Floyd will do much in the final three weeks of the regular season or the postseason in New England, given the difficulties inherent to learning a new playbook, new terminology, new teammates, and new coaches. Rarely if ever does a plug-and-play receiver have an immediate impact on his new team.

But the Patriots surely didn’t claim Floyd on waivers simply for what he can do for them over the balance of the season. As Floyd enters the final three games of his rookie contract, the Patriots have acquired another significant benefit: The ability to have Floyd’s potential departure in free agency count toward their 2018 compensatory draft picks.

There’s no guarantee that the Patriots will keep Floyd through the end of the season; they obtained offensive lineman Jonathan Cooper in a trade with the Cardinals due in part to the potential compensatory draft pick bump for 2018, but they eventually cut him. There’s also a chance the Patriots will decide that they like Floyd and want to keep him around, adding him to a receiving corps that would benefit from a healthy and talented player.

Through nearly five seasons, Floyd has had mixed results in light of his first-round pedigree. He has only one 1,000-yard receiving season, in 2013. This year, he has 446 yards in 13 games.

Still, the Patriots have obtained what will be a relatively low-cost opportunity to kick the tires on a player who should be very grateful for a second chance, given his DUI arrest from earlier in the week. If it doesn’t work, the Patriots won’t waste a roster spot on him for long.

 

[iLLmatiC]

You've been against BA before the hire so I'm not surprised you're complaining about him now.

 

[AZCB34]

Actually Palmer hasn't regressed this year. Pretty much in line with his career stats

 

[slanidrac16]

Bad season magnifies stupid stuff. BA is the least of our worries. Players get paid big $$$ to play at a high level . If they don't THEY know it. Most would publicly AGREE with the coaches assessment on their play good or bad.

Bad season magnifies stupid stuff. This thread is stupid stuff...JMHO.

 

[Jetstream Green]

It is never intelligent to give an opinion or overview of a large situation till it can be put in perspective... usually never when it's still unfolding, you will then find that only half of what you would have wrote usually have made any sense

 

[Scott MS]

I blame this season on "All or Nothing". In that video the Cardinals clearly thought they were better than they were, and then in the offseason they became celebrities. Well last season was "All" and this season is "Nothing."

 

[Russ Smith]

Coack K is coaching hand-picked McDonald All-Americans every year. That said, I have never heard him disparage a player publicly. In practice is where it belongs and where it should stay. This is not a fitting analogy.

I am sick of the "this is the NFL" argument, like all modes of human decency are thrown out the window. At the end of the day, it is about respect. Respect for people and respect for the game.

This is the same Coach K that grabbed oregon's Dillon Brooks after losing to them to complain about Brook making a 3 pointer(because if he didn't shoot the shot clock would expire). He lectured him, told him he was too good a player to show up another team(Duke) like that. Brooks made it public, not to call out Coach K but to thank him he said Coach K was right. And what did Coach K do? He lied to the media and insisted it never happened, he never said that to Brooks. Except it turned out the media had it all on tape and then Coach K spun in circles to avoid saying he lied.

This is the same coach K that had a kid named William avery who wanted to turn pro and asked Coach K to help him find out from NBA people what his draft stock was. So Coach K told him 2nd round to undrafted. then Avery's mom used some of her contacts and said late lottery to late first round. When they asked Coach K again, he lied to them again and told them 2nd round to undrafted. Avery's mom was so infuriated she asked for a meeting with them and she confronted Coach K, who according to her, cursed at her and said "if he leaves now he wil BLEEP my program", talking about her son. Avery ignored Coach K's expert advice, turned pro, and was a first round lottery pick. Very short NBA career but that going to happen regardless, he actually made money by leaving in all likelihood.

Coach K is also the guy who got publicly called out by of all people Gregg Popovich because Coach K refused to step down as the National team coach to let someone else coach the teams. Why? Because as a national team coach he gets so much access to the junior teams it has been a huge boon to Duke recruiting since he got the job. Coach K finally agreed to pass the torch, but only after getting USA basketball to in writing promise that he'd still be able to visit the teams, in other words only after being promised he could still use the national team as a recruiting tool.

Great coach, not a great guy.

sorry sore spot with me, great coach, not a good person.

 

[pmacLean]

Mitch, are you a millennial?

I know nothing about you personally, but based on your statements in your posts I am going to believe this is true of your life:

Unlike other generations, the Millennials are overly connected to their parents. As they move through their twenties, they still speak to their parents frequently and turn to their parents for personal and career advice. Some are still even living at home, not uncomfortable with the arrangement. Organizations must remember the parent involvement factor when dealing with this group. These parents are still micro-managing their children’s careers and personal lives.

What a load of tripe. I know lot's of millennials that would happily kick your azz. I could post some garbage here that completely disparages the boomer generation, even the 'greatest' generation, any generation at all. Stupid generalities are ... stupid generalities and usually are only used by ... you can guess the rest. The inanity of using that quote is almost as despicable as Arians verbal assault on Bethel.

Oh, and I am 63 ... I'll take lots of millennials over lots of whiny boomers any day of the week.

 

[pmacLean]

He's been an utter failure trying to cover as a corner, which is what BA was asked about. Great ST player, atrocious CB. He wasn't lying or sugar coating it.

He knew pre-season Bethel couldn't play CB, he knew all season. Then he has to use him in game and Bethel fails (and don't misconstrue, I like Bethel, he's just not a CB) and he calls it a 'a failure in progress'. It's NOT in progress you blow-hard, it's an accomplished fact and has been all season, just because the 'brain-trust' did not do it's job and replace him, let's throw a guy publicly under a bus for doing exactly what we know he will do in that situation ... fail. And maybe they won't ask uncomfortable questions about why this wasn't addressed, oh, say 6 months ago. No, they will be too busy going 'ooohhh, burn, burn' to think to ask of they were simply asleep.

Then the blowhard talks tough about his great coaching staff and how there don't need to be any changes. The worst ST in football over 3 years, that previously was only covered up by stellar offensive play but now is exposed as pathetic and pitiful (yes, I have seen the videos of Amos coaching them and felt pity for those players)... and there don't need to be any changes ? There is NO accountability on this team if you are not a player and even then, there is none if you a 'favored' pet.

I predict that you will see (and we have a boatload of people heading for free agency) the exact reverse of what we were recently seeing. I predict players will take LESS money and go play elsewhere.

 

[cardpa]

Not sure if you are directing this at me?? I am not denying anything Mitch said. Yes, BA has indeed said those things or acted in the manner Mitch illustrates for us. My issue is...So what?? Is there a perfect Head Coach out there? If so, who might that be and what exactly makes him perfect?
My issue is that Mitch seems to be making efforts to twist facts into a story that fits his own perceptions and views of BA. That he's "toxic..." How so? By what measure(s)?? Because as far as I can tell, I have yet to hear of a player (past or present) speak negatively of BA. As far as I can tell, up until this season, he was doing things no other Cardinal Head Coach had ever done. So, based upon one sub-par season, BA is now "toxic??" Seriously??

Not directed at anyone, just making an observation of his facts. I think Mitch gets too passionate about the team sometimes and wonders why the organization and the coaching staff does what it does. I get where he is coming from, I just don't react to it all that much since I believe Mitch is just super frustrated with how things are being handled by the team. I think using the word Toxic is a bit strong but I think part of his frustration is Arians not taking responsibility for the team and where it's at or at least based on Arians words he doesn't seem to do it. I think we all may have to admit that Arians seems to direct most of the blame on the blame on the players and doesn't seem to hold his side accountable for the way the season has gone when in reality Arians and his staff have to also bear some of the responsibility for the results to date. When you are the head honcho you get more credit than you deserve and when things go bad you likewise get blamed for more than you deserve. Arians is the head honcho here. When a company experiences a bad spell, the CEO gets the blame for the direction he has taken the company because he ultimately calls the shots, so Arians needs to bear that responsibility since he holds a similar position. That's my take on it. We praised Arians for the winning seasons and now he gets the heat for the crappy season we are going through now. It's just the nature of the beast.

 

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[Mitch]

From Frank Schwab, nfl.com:

If the New England Patriots had a wish list this late in the season, a big receiver on the outside would have been somewhere on it.

And the Arizona Cardinals happened to cut Michael Floyd, a former first-round pick with 3,739 yards and 23 career touchdowns, this week after a DUI arrest.

So the Patriots grabbed him off waivers, according to numerous media reports.

This seems like such a Patriots move. There’s very little risk in seeing if Floyd can help down the stretch. At his best – and, to be fair, Floyd’s best comes and goes week to week and he has been disappointing all this season – the former Notre Dame star can catch contested balls on the outside and has good deep ability for a 6-foot-3, 220-pound receiver. And if it doesn’t work out, the Patriots can just cut him and move on.

Without Rob Gronkowski the rest of the season, and Danny Amendola reportedly out at least until the playoffs, the Patriots were somewhat thin in the passing game. The move to grab Floyd off waivers seems like what the Green Bay Packers did 20 years ago. The Packers were short at receiver so when the Jacksonville Jaguars cut Andre Rison, Green Bay claimed him off waivers. The talented and controversial Rison played a big role late in the season, even catching a touchdown pass for the Packers in a Super Bowl XXXI win.

It’s also, of course, reminiscent of when the Patriots picked up running back LeGarrette Blount in 2014 after the Pittsburgh Steelers cut him. Blount was a headache in Pittsburgh but helped the Patriots win a Super Bowl that season and is New England’s top rusher this season.

There’s not much risk for the Patriots. Floyd’s contract is done at the end of the season. There might be some PR hit from signing a guy who was arrested Monday morning on a DUI suspicion, but the Patriots understand the ramifications of that. In the best-case scenario, maybe Floyd is scared straight and understands he has to play well going into free agency. It seems like the kind of “what the heck, why not?” move that could have benefited a few teams in the playoff mix.

And if somehow Floyd ends up helping the Patriots in the playoffs, we’ll all ask afterward why nobody else thought to claim him.

 

[SO91]

Think you put this in the wrong thread Mitch.