Baby Ben

[WildBB]

On early returns, we have a new front runner.

Hangs tough and commands a pocket. Is making multiple reads and looks. Can really scan a field at 6' 6".

Just night and day how Kolb started this game.

Nowhere to go but getting better with time.

It was against some 2nd stringers, but I'm very optimistic here that we're seeing this teams future starting QB.

 

[clif]

Dear God

 

[Darkside]

Dear God

No, he's not, but he just moved up on the depth chart.

 

[WildBB]

Dear God

Mr. Fragile showed next to nothing before his surprising mishap.

 

[Stout]

To be fair to Kolb, he was under almost constant pressure, and Skelton has had better protection. Skelton has looked really good so far, though, and Kolb did have that really stupid, stupid interception. The injury won't help his cause either. I'm not going to bag on Kolb for anything after that pick, however, because he was running for his life, and not fleeing from a set pocket.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Lindley looks a lot better than I expected. I would actually keep him above Bartel rather than risk losing Lindley while we attempt to put him on the practice squad

 

[Duckjake]

Lindley looks a lot better than I expected. I would actually keep him above Bartel rather than risk losing Lindley while we attempt to put him on the practice squad

Lindley makes Skelton look like Warner when it comes to accuracy. Bartel was terrible. Looks like the change in QB coach and OC hasn't had much effect.

 

[Mainstreet]

Lindley looks a lot better than I expected. I would actually keep him above Bartel rather than risk losing Lindley while we attempt to put him on the practice squad

I agree with this. Lindley looked surprisingly poised. He needs to work on his game but he was never expected to contend for even the backup QB position as a raw rookie. I could hear the crickets churping with Bartel at QB.

 

[WildBB]

To be fair to Kolb, he was under almost constant pressure, and Skelton has had better protection. Skelton has looked really good so far, though, and Kolb did have that really stupid, stupid interception. The injury won't help his cause either. I'm not going to bag on Kolb for anything after that pick, however, because he was running for his life, and not fleeing from a set pocket.

I agree the OL didn't do him many favors. He has to locate check downs quicker. They should be in place. Or if it's hopeless just toss it away. I haven't seen him do that much unless he's running to the outside. To me that should be the coaches goal with him. No running outside the pocket in the pre-season. Locate or get rid of it and start over next down.

Falling behind and an immediate INT doesn't bode well. This game was mtl a loss right there already. Nothing quelled my angst about him. He's showing he's a b/u QB in this league.

Maybe he'll find his niche in a hurry up offense, like Warner did before his run.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Lindley looks a lot better than I expected. I would actually keep him above Bartel rather than risk losing Lindley while we attempt to put him on the practice squad

Agree. I was very worried about Lindley after seeing him in training camp; but, he showed some potential in a game setting (which is what I was hoping).

Better to go with potential than journeyman at this point.

 

[Chopper0080]

To be fair to Kolb, he was under almost constant pressure, and Skelton has had better protection. Skelton has looked really good so far, though, and Kolb did have that really stupid, stupid interception. The injury won't help his cause either. I'm not going to bag on Kolb for anything after that pick, however, because he was running for his life, and not fleeing from a set pocket.

I disagree with this statement. The more I watch the two, the more I see Skelton just not being effected by the pressure as much as Kolb. I believe it has to do with the difference in size, but Skelton stands tall and Kolb rolls out. Because of his height, Skelton can deliver the ball when a player gets open while Kolb has to get his feet under him, square his shoulders and THEN throw. Honestly, I am starting to think that while Kolb might be the better QB, Skelton might be the better QB for the Cardinals and in executing despite their poor offensive line.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

To be fair to Kolb, he was under almost constant pressure, and Skelton has had better protection.

Wrong.

Skelton didn't have better protection, he gets better protection. For the most part, especially the offensive linemen, this team is more behind Skelton than they are Kolb.

Oh, and this:

I disagree with this statement. The more I watch the two, the more I see Skelton just not being effected by the pressure as much as Kolb. I believe it has to do with the difference in size, but Skelton stands tall and Kolb rolls out. Because of his height, Skelton can deliver the ball when a player gets open while Kolb has to get his feet under him, square his shoulders and THEN throw. Honestly, I am starting to think that while Kolb might be the better QB, Skelton might be the better QB for the Cardinals and in executing despite their poor offensive line.

 

[40yearfan]

Wrong.

Skelton didn't have better protection, he gets better protection. For the most part, especially the offensive linemen, this team is more behind Skelton than they are Kolb.

Oh, and this:

I agree with you Ken. It really seemed like the OL played better when Skelton was in there.

BTW, did anyone else notice that when Kolb was walking off the field after his injury, as Skelton was walking by him, he tried to shake Kolb's hand, but Kolb refused to shake hands with him? I thought that was kind of tacky.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

BTW, did anyone else notice that when Kolb was walking off the field after his injury, as Skelton was walking by him, he tried to shake Kolb's hand, but Kolb refused to shake hands with him? I thought that was kind of tacky.

No man, none of us noticed. Do tell.

 

[Darkside]

I disagree with this statement. The more I watch the two, the more I see Skelton just not being effected by the pressure as much as Kolb. I believe it has to do with the difference in size, but Skelton stands tall and Kolb rolls out. Because of his height, Skelton can deliver the ball when a player gets open while Kolb has to get his feet under him, square his shoulders and THEN throw. Honestly, I am starting to think that while Kolb might be the better QB, Skelton might be the better QB for the Cardinals and in executing despite their poor offensive line.

I totally agree with this. Skelton steps back and stands tall, almost daring dudes to rush him. Our Oline actually looks better when he's behind center. I don't know about most of you, but to me it actually seemed like the whole team was calmer with Skelton behind center. Not as frantic, not as stressed, not as desperate. Skelton back there made us look (in form and technique) like a pro team.

 

[Duckjake]

Commentators on NFL Network were critical of Kolb and the Cardinals. Said he runs himself into bad situations and that the excuse that he is a work in progress and it was only the first pre season game doesn't wash because he has been in the league 5+ years and you don't pay that kind of money for a work in progress. Plus as Phrazbit and I have said all along he doesn't show any signs of getting better.

Double Deuce Offense.
Desert Dawg Defense.

Bring on the Sea Chickens!!!!!!!!!!

Super Bowl Baby.

 

[splitsecond]

I totally agree with this. Skelton steps back and stands tall, almost daring dudes to rush him. Our Oline actually looks better when he's behind center. I don't know about most of you, but to me it actually seemed like the whole team was calmer with Skelton behind center. Not as frantic, not as stressed, not as desperate. Skelton back there made us look (in form and technique) like a pro team.

100% agree.

 

[Fiasco]

Wrong.

Skelton didn't have better protection, he gets better protection. For the most part, especially the offensive linemen, this team is more behind Skelton than they are Kolb.

Oh, and this:

As a blocker, would your job be easier if the position of the QB in the pocket was predictable?

Skelton moves only enough to avoid pressure. Kolb is halfway down the visitors tunnel when pressured.

Levi could push his blocking assignment to the parking lot and damned if Kolb hasnt already run there....

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Double Deuce

 

[WildBB]

I disagree with this statement. The more I watch the two, the more I see Skelton just not being effected by the pressure as much as Kolb. I believe it has to do with the difference in size, but Skelton stands tall and Kolb rolls out. Because of his height, Skelton can deliver the ball when a player gets open while Kolb has to get his feet under him, square his shoulders and THEN throw. Honestly, I am starting to think that while Kolb might be the better QB, Skelton might be the better QB for the Cardinals and in executing despite their poor offensive line.

You hit it on the head here.

Kolbs inconsistency will kill this team.

 

[WildBB]

Commentators on NFL Network were critical of Kolb and the Cardinals. Said he runs himself into bad situations and that the excuse that he is a work in progress and it was only the first pre season game doesn't wash because he has been in the league 5+ years and you don't pay that kind of money for a work in progress. Plus as Phrazbit and I have said all along he doesn't show any signs of getting better.

Double Deuce Offense.

Time to give the reigns to someone with toughness you can expect will last a full yr with this OL. I don't see Kolb standing a chance.

What's the DD offense?

 

[Chopper0080]

I totally agree with this. Skelton steps back and stands tall, almost daring dudes to rush him. Our Oline actually looks better when he's behind center. I don't know about most of you, but to me it actually seemed like the whole team was calmer with Skelton behind center. Not as frantic, not as stressed, not as desperate. Skelton back there made us look (in form and technique) like a pro team.

To expound on this, I'm not saying Skelton is more calm in the pocket it's just that he doesn't have to move his body to establish throwing lanes like Kolb does so it allows him to keep his feet steadier in the pocket. It also allows him to see IMMEdiately when a player comes open while Kolb has to navigate his throwing windows and sometimes he will naturally miss a player coming open because the linemen is blcoking the view of them.

 

[Stout]

Okay, I was just trying to be fair to Kolb, because I'm a Skelton supporter and didn't want to give others ammunition against me. Yeah, I clearly thought Skelton grabbed the job last night, so I'm anxious to see him play well as the preseason progresses.

 

[cardpa]

The interception by Kolb really bothered me. If I can see it before he even throws he ball then I fully expect Kolb to see it too. He did not have that much pressure on that play. I would really like to know what he was seeing on that play.

The next three games will be very interesting on how Whiz handles the QB position.

Kolb may be the better QB but as Chopper said Skelton may be the better choice for this team.

 

[CardLogic]

I keep reading 'the OL played better when Skelton was in'; even Whiz said it in his post game comments. Maybe it's Skelton's play which makes the OL line play look better and not the other way around!

That and as I said in another thread - Confidence! Skelton plays with it and Kolb does not; and confidence, or lack of it, will ALWAYS migrate from the QB to the entire rest of the team.