Benson no longer in the running for top honors

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Pro day reports: Texas, Georgia, Michigan, Auburn

By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports
March 23, 2005




In a scene that looks eerily similar to the swoon by Kevin Jones last season, Texas' Cedric Benson suffered through one of this offseason's most damaging predraft workouts Wednesday.

Despite working out in the familiar surroundings of the Longhorns' practice field, Benson posted 40-yard dashes in the 4.6- to 4.65-second range and struggled during pass-catching drills. It's clearly a stumble for a player who chose not to work out at the scouting combine, then sat idly as Auburn running backs Ronnie Brown and Carnell Williams posted superb workouts. Benson was expected to offer something in the 4.45 to 4.5 range.

"It was rough, but he plays better than he looked," said a scout who watched Benson, along with "60 to 70" other team representatives. "Nobody came here expecting to be blown away, but it wasn't a good day for him."

One comparison the scout drew was last year's performance by Jones, the former Virginia Tech running back who was expected to run around a 4.4 in the 40. Jones surprised everyone by running around 4.6, and his stock dropped dramatically.

Originally thought to be drafted between 15th and 20th overall, Jones slid all the way to Detroit at No. 30 behind Oregon State's Steven Jackson and Michigan's Chris Perry. He was the only one of that ********* to rush for 1,000 yards as a rookie, finishing with 1,133.

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"There's a little bit of a difference because (Jones) was expected to be really fast, and Cedric Benson is clearly a power back," the scout said. "You can't erase what he did in college in one bad day, but of course it is going to be a factor."

It's just the latest bump for Benson in what has been a rocky journey toward the draft. He skipped the combine workouts, which wouldn't have looked bad if Brown and Williams (also considered top selections) hadn't participated. And while Benson seemed to have done well in team interviews – addressing questions about some off-field legal troubles – teams were still anxious to see his workout. Clearly, if he wanted to catch Brown as the No. 1 running back in the draft, he needed a sub-4.5 time in the 40 and show he could catch the football.

Now he's going to have to contemplate possibly running or working out one more time, in hopes of staging a last-minute boost in his value. Not that it would change how teams are going to look at his most recent performance. Bears general manager Jerry Angelo, who was attending the owners' meeting in Kapalua, Hawaii on Wednesday, said this latest performance should be a fair enough indication of the 5-foot-10, 225-pound Benson's true numbers.

"When somebody opts to work at their place, that's what they are," Angelo said. "He's not going to run a month from now, a week from now, and run much better. I've seen it enough times now. There are guys that run at the combine who run slow, and then they work out at their place and they run a lot better. I've never seen a guy that ran at his place, and then ran a month later and ran fast.

"That's what his time is. That's what his speed is. That's what he is. You could rationalize the combine time sometimes – you know, with the travel, that type of thing, and think, yeah, he might run faster on his home turf. Well, when a guy runs on his home turf, that is his time."

As for how it will effect Benson's stock?

"Each team will just have to assess it," Angelo said.

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Well I was pimping him the other day, but after his workout he will fall out of the top 10.
 
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This news sucks. I was hoping he would be the first RB off the board with a good workout, but it looks like he will be available in the mid first round.
 
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haha, I posted this same article in my "Pro Day Report..." thread but somehow you figured out how to put the entire article on there without the ad so i just posted the link
 

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Thats too bad for Benson. Oh well, maybe by some miracle, he'll fall to the early 2nd round now and we can pick up a CB in the first and get a RB in the 2nd who was once projected to go at # 2 overall.
 

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People passed on Jones for the same thing and let his 40 time overshadow his game film. A lot of teams wished they could rethink their opinions on Jones right now.

Green knew Jones 40 toime was crap last year and even tried to trade up for him. I doubt this 40 time sways his opinion on Benson as well. Although his catching ability part of his workout just might.
 
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azdad1978 said:
hmmm does Benson has a game speed?


I watched a few texas games and I really though he had great game speed. What impressed me the most was his vision and low gravity when hitting the hole. Not only that, but he was impossible to arm tackle in college. I am sure it would be harder to break those arm tackles in the pro's though.

I am starting to think that if Brown / Caddy / Pac Man are gone we will try to trade down. Two interesting or potential trades could be

Trade with San Diego for #12 and #28 and send them #8 and #44

or

Trade with Carolina at #14 and #45 and send them #8

Both trades budget out for point totals on the draft trade chart.
 
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I still think Benson and or Carlos Rodgers will be available by the #14th pick
 

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joeshmo said:
People passed on Jones for the same thing and let his 40 time overshadow his game film. A lot of teams wished they could rethink their opinions on Jones right now.

Green knew Jones 40 toime was crap last year and even tried to trade up for him. I doubt this 40 time sways his opinion on Benson as well. Although his catching ability part of his workout just might.

Besides his pedestrian speed, this is the reason that he shouldn't be an Arizona Cardinal. Dennis Green needs a RB who can be a safety-valve (and playmaker) out of the backfield, because he uses a TE to block more than pass.
 

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G&G are going to have a very tough decision on their hands if Benson is the only one of the 'Top 3' RB's avaliable at #8.
 

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I watched a few texas games and I really though he had great game speed. What impressed me the most was his vision and low gravity when hitting the hole. Not only that, but he was impossible to arm tackle in college. I am sure it would be harder to break those arm tackles in the pro's though.

I am starting to think that if Brown / Caddy / Pac Man are gone we will try to trade down. Two interesting or potential trades could be

Trade with San Diego for #12 and #28 and send them #8 and #44

or

Trade with Carolina at #14 and #45 and send them #8

Both trades budget out for point totals on the draft trade chart.

There will be a stud available at 8 - it'll be Caddy,Rolle,PacMan,DJ,Rogers or a QB.

I love that SD trade.

Carolina would be crazy to give up a 2nd to move up 6 spots, even if it does work out on the chart. I know we wouldn't do that.
 

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Redsz said:
G&G are going to have a very tough decision on their hands if Benson is the only one of the 'Top 3' RB's avaliable at #8.

That's a tough one based on productivity. But seeing we still have a similar back in Shipp - we pass.
 

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WildBB said:
That's a tough one based on productivity. But seeing we still have a similar back in Shipp - we pass.

Ugh. For all of Benson's drawbacks, he's about 10 times better than Shipp is. If only in dependability. Shipp's rep as a "power runner" is totally overrated on this board. How many times have we been faced with thrid and short and come up empty because of Marcel? There's a reason that he didn't get many goal line carries.
 

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kerouac9 said:
Ugh. For all of Benson's drawbacks, he's about 10 times better than Shipp is. If only in dependability. Shipp's rep as a "power runner" is totally overrated on this board. How many times have we been faced with thrid and short and come up empty because of Marcel? There's a reason that he didn't get many goal line carries.

Come on, Green even admitted before last season that he underutilized Shipp's abilities the year before. Now this coming yr. I understand there are more questions concerning Shipp.

10 X better, that's a whole lot. Especially for someone who runs a 4.65 - like Shipp, and hasn't played an NFL down.
 

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I don't think Benson's 40 time is that big of a deal in the long run. Unlike Kevin Jones, his running style has never really revolved around pure speed. It will affect his draft position though. He needed to run around a 4.5 to keep pace with Williams and Brown. His problems catching the ball has to put him even farther behind the Auburn backs at this point.

He's still a first rounder today but will probably go somewhere in the 12-16 range. He'll probably still be a good NFL back, maybe the most productive of the three. Then again, maybe he won't. Today's workout raised a few, possibly minor doubts and that's all it takes to drop when your competition includes a couple of studs like the Auburn guys.
 

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I actually don't know if the 40 time will hurt him much, he's not a speed back anyway. Plus hand timing is so inconsistent, NFL.com reports he ran anywhere from 4.51 to 4.59 on a slow track. The dropped passes may hurt him a bit, but in the long run, you want your RB to be able to run the ball, pass catching ability is a distant second (or 3rd, behind blitz pickup, which Benson does very well). I still don't think he is a Green type back, and never have, but he will be a top 10 pick and a very good NFL back.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8320128

In total, 75 scouts and coaches from 27 teams were in attendance, including Texans offensive coordinator Chris Palmer and Cardinals offensive boss Keith Rowen. Head coaches Dennis Green and Nick Saban were not there because of the NFL's annual meeting in Hawaii, but I know for a fact they wanted to be front and center.

The players ran indoors on what can only be described as "soft FieldTurf," which makes for a slow track compared to what they ran on in Indy.

You'll notice that there are no shuttle times. That's because the surface they ran on was slippery and the times weren't indicative of what the players could run. So, there were no times for the shuttles.
Player Position Gil's comments

Cedric Benson RB Benson was 5-10 3/8 and 225 pounds. He had a long jump of 9-foot-8 and a 33-inch vertical jump. He lifted the strength bar 18 times. In the 40, he was timed as low as 4.51 and as high as 4.59. That's impressive; not even Emmitt Smith, the NFL's all-time leading rusher, ran that fast when he was coming out of school.

Derrick Johnson LB Johnson was 6-3¼ and 243 pounds. He passed on lifting at the combine, but here lifted the strength bar 21 times.

Johnson spoke to NFL.com after the workout and felt good about his future.
Philip Geiggar DB Geiggar (5-10, 191) had a 10-foot-2 long jump, a 36-inch vertical jump and 18 reps.
Will Matthews FB Matthews (6-1½, 241) had a 10-foot-6 in the long jump, a 35-inch vertical, 18 reps and ran his 40s in 4.81 and 4.79.
Bo Scaife TE Scaife (6-2½, 252) had a 31½-inch vertical jump and ran his 40s in 4.79 and 4.81.
 

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From the Austin American Statesman:

There were 75 scouts representing 27 teams watching Benson from the bleachers at the longhorns' indoor practice complex Wednesday afternoon. Depending on who was holding the stopwatch, Benson was as fast as 4.51 and as slow as 4.59. ........................

...Looking for more room, however, the NFL reps elected to move the timing session to the Longhorns' indoor practice field, which is covered by spongy Field Turf. Maurice Green, the 2000 Olympic gold medalist and former world record holder in the 100 meter dash, was on hand to take in Texas' timing day. He estimated that the surface-which forces players to dig in harder for better traction-slows times by .05. .......

Because of the NFL meetings...no head coaches were present. There were at least two coordinators. The Houston Texans....and Arizona sent Keith Rowen, who is in charge of the Cardinals' offense.
 

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WildBB said:
Come on, Green even admitted before last season that he underutilized Shipp's abilities the year before. Now this coming yr. I understand there are more questions concerning Shipp.

10 X better, that's a whole lot. Especially for someone who runs a 4.65 - like Shipp, and hasn't played an NFL down.

Shipp hasn't played a single game for Green.
 

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First of all, you've got two different accounts of Benson's forty times, and which on it is makes a whole lot of difference. So which is it: the mid 4.6's? Or 4.51 and 4.59?

To me, the one remaining defining criteria needed to define Benson was straight ahead speed. At 225+ pounds and with his kind of strength, would he have the skills of the elite RB prospects like Tomlinson or Edgerrin James?

Mid-4.6 time would suggest is that (a) on the upside, maybe you could be looking at the next Jerome Bettis but (b) on the downside, you might be looking at the next Curtis Enos.

With his kind of strength, times in the 4.51 - 4.59 range wouldn't hurt him so much (Remember that Emmitt is said to run a 4.6).

Benson at #8? At 4.65, I'd think you'd now have to consider him too risky a pick. At 4.51 - 4.59, I think he'd still have to be considered a possibility - though certainly no longer in the Top 3 - 5 range.
 
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Combine and pro workouts are overrated. Good thing we have Denny's eye for talent. In the past with all of our busts, I'm glad the Sheriff is in our corner.
 

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GreenCard said:
Did this same thing happen to Quan?

Same thing happened to some guy named Shaun Alexander too. He was picked after Jamal Lewis, Thomas Jones, and Ron Dayne.
 

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Doesn't change anything,you still pick a CB in the first and who knows Benson in the second. Stranger things have happened in the draft.
 
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