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Well, I got pretty sick of the KC fans cheering yesterday.....so I hit them where it hurts.

Yup.......KC's BBQ is junk. KC Masterpiece?? More like a total nightmare....get out of here with that Nasty Trash.

I had to give the edge to Southern BBQ.....Even Texas Chili and BBQ is way better.
 

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Nobody in KC eats KC Masterpiece. That crap is just shipped off for the rest of the country. If you're in KC go to Gates (you can get their sauce at AJ's) or Arther Johnsons. Only places in KC for BBQ. Of course, I prefer Memphis to any other place in the world (Rendezvous right behind the Peabody Hotel)
 

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I prefer Memphis to any other place in the world (Rendezvous right behind the Peabody Hotel)

Is this an open invitation to anyone?
 
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I prefer Texas BBQ to all the others. That being said, all of the BBQ styles are good in their own way.

Mustard based sauces, vinegar based sauces, tomato based. I don't really dislike any of them that much, but what I do dislike are sauces like KC Masterpiece that are heavy molasses based. Above everything though - BBQ is about the MEAT, not the sauce. Don't overdo the sauce! I can't stress this enough.

My favorite sig line from the BBQ forum I go to:
If we weren't supposed to eat animals, they wouldn't be made out of meat.

I think we have a good base of guys that make their own slow smoked BBQ on this forum, I know at least that includes Pariah, Dutchman and myself. There's probably more.
 

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I'm smoking pork shoulder again today, just turned the meat after 7.5 hours.

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i think I made a big mistake though, took the probe thermometers out so I could turn it over easier and a lot of juice came out.

Really sucks I'm worried about dry meat now, especially because I'm serving this to fifteen or so people tomorrow.
 
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Here's the results last night, after 18 hours of total cooking time. That includes 16 hours on the smoker, about two hours of rest and shredding of the pork. This shows only one of the pork shoulders. I filled another one of these tin pan things with the other one.

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Looks like you didn't need to worry about it being dry. I love pulled pork providing it's been cooked long enough to render out all of the fat, which it looks like you did.

What was in your rub?
 

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The rub was a modified "Mr. Brown" rub from TVWB site we discussed earlier.

1/4 cup ground black pepper (half of what normal recipe calls for)
1/2 cup paprika
1/2 cup white sugar
4 Tablespoons table salt
4 teaspoons dry mustard
1 Tablespoon cayenne pepper

The orig recipe calls for Turbinado sugar, which I didn't think I had at the time. Of course as soon as I made the batch of rub my wife shows me a box of it in the cabinets. FUDGE. Turned out fine though. I'll try the Turbinado next time. I halved the pepper because I thought the bark was just way too much on the pepper last time I did it. This made enough to rub the pork twice, once the night before, then again before putting it into the smoker. I had a small amount, maybe a 1/4 cup left over as well.

I also doubled the cayenne. Yeehaw!
 

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I honestly don't know much about all the different styles of BBQ (AZ native), but I can make a mean BBQ sauce. I don't make it from scratch, per se, but it's friggin good!

I use Sweet Baby Ray's Original BBQ sauce (this stuff stands on its own!) as the base then I add:

Minced garlic
Mesquite liquid smoke
Tons of hot red pepper flakes (chili tepins work best)
Jim Beam or Jack Daniels to thin out until slightly runny

Mix, heat, brush on and enjoy!
 

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Oh, you can grill a smoked cheddar stuffed burger with no spices and then dredge it in this BBQ sauce and serve it on a bun with bacon and all your favorite fixings. THAT is a burger, my friends!
 

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Pretty soon, we're going to need a Brat's BBQ/Smoked Food thread.

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Just took this off the smoker for a late Thanksgiving feast.
 

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How long did you have that turkey on there?
 

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2 hours 15 minutes. Temp started really high, then settled down to 350 and stayed there. I used cherry for the smoke wood.
 

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To measure temperature. ;)

Jerkpants. I was curious. Is it necessary to use these thermometers? Are you going for an internal temp equal to that of the smoker? Around 200-225, normally? Or when smoking meat do you go ffor the normal internal temp like when you'd roast a shoulder, ie, Med rare for pork around 140. And if thats the case, could you smoke to temp by feel, like if you roast meat? Im fascinated by smoking, have worked with a couple champ BBQers for a wedding where we did a whole pig (AWESOME!) for about 26 hours at 225. But I dont know much about the details. Fill me in!
 

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I'm still a rookie at this so I will answer the best I can. The temp you want to keep the smoker at is really quite dependent on the meat you are cooking. For instance, with the pork you are right its best to keep it around 225. In this particular cook, I was aiming to keep it around 225-250. When I made turkey on Thanksgiving, I was shooting for 350. The pork shoulder should be cooked well past the normal 140 or so that you would do in your oven for a sliced tenderloin. When you smoke for pulled pork you want to cook it low and slow in order to get the fat to break down and transform into a gelatin. (I'm probably getting this a little off so anyone else who is in the know please chime in). In order to do that, you need to cook it past 140 all the way up to 195 - 210. Thing is, with pork it will plateau for a while, usually around 160 - 170 and just sit there for hours before it finally transforms the fat and breaks through. You can tell this by feel too, in this case the two pork shoulders were bone in, and when they were done you could tell because the meat fell away from the bone. If I had gone and checked sooner, I probably would have been able to turn the bone inside the meat, which also would have said it was done.

OK, I'm more than kinda crazy so I kept a log of the temps in the past cook. There are three probe thermometers in the picture, and one thermometer not shown. One is not in either of the pork shoulders, that temperature is shown on the below graph as the "grate" temp. There was a candy thermometer through the top vent that measured the "dome" temp. These two readings helped to give a good baseline of what the actual cooking temperature of the smoker was. You can see that the general line if avg'd is probably around 250 but jumps a bit. The specific smoker I use is generally known as great for keeping temps, but on this day it was a little rainy and quite windy so it made it hard to keep the temp a little more constant. Also, when it spikes up towards the end I had added some new hot charcoal I had lit in a chimney starter.

There is a probe inside the pork shoulder which shows as the meat temp (yellow line). The yellow line shows how the meat plateaued for a while, and then regained a climb up into the target temp range. Where the temp drops about halfway through the cook is when I turned the meat and placed the probe into a different part of the meat. So the change is because of the different placement. I took the pork off at around 200 degrees and 16 hours of cooking.

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To explain the other line at the bottom, its the Dome temperature minus the Grate temperature. I think you want to keep a straight line here.
 

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Hey Schutd, I'd add that the site that Dutchman and I have talked about (www.virtualweberbullet.com) isn't just a great resource for the weber smokey mountain cooker, but for great bbq info as well. I didn't know anything about this stuff, nor had I ever cooked like this before but after reading some of that site and its recipes, I haven't had anything really but success. The only thing I have done that tasted bad was overcooking some sausage, which was kind of because I had fallen asleep on the job. Didn't taste bad, just kind of dry.

Here's a TON of info on pork shoulder. http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/porkbuttselect.html
 

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I tried to smoke some ribs and they just tasted like.... well smoke

Too overpowering, am I using too much wood?
 

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