Bickley: Someone has to give for Larry Fitzgerald to finish his career in Arizona

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Bickley: Someone has to give for Larry Fitzgerald to finish his career in Arizona

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...otPostID=['4c6166cc1246f6bda8963868cdc3562d']

Larry Fitzgerald isn't just a football player. He's an Arizona monument. You can't just move the Grand Canyon to another state, can you?

Welcome to a gut-wrenching crossroads. There is a rock — Fitzgerald's contract, which calls for an $8 million bonus in March and a salary-cap figure of $23.6 million next season. And there is a hard place, an offensive system that no longer treats Fitzgerald like a Hall of Fame receiver.

Something has to give.

"I don't know if they can solve it," former Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner said. "I think there's no question that Larry would be willing to take less (money) if he felt completely content in the situation. But a guy like Larry doesn't want to be in a diminished role."

Warner's take is accurate. Fitzgerald understands his contract is untenable for a team on the cusp of a Super Bowl. Thus, after compiling a near flawless career, breaking records and banking $120 million of Bidwill money, he must give back what he's negotiated just to stay in Arizona.

But the two years with Bruce Arians haven't been easy on Fitzgerald. He's been asked to block, run a lot of curl patterns and surrender the deep, sideline stuff to Michael Floyd. And for three years before that, he was stuck on the carousel of clown quarterbacks, a figure of national empathy.

A lot of statistics and personal achievement have been left on the table along the way, and with two to three prime years left in his career, Fitzgerald surely wants to go out with a bang.

"I love Larry," Arians said on his Monday radio show. "I think he brings a ton to the table, a lot of energy and a lot of leadership. And the more we have success offensively, the more balls there are to go around. But to think of him in the days of 10 years ago, with 120 catches and all that, I'm sure those days are gone.

"Eighty catches and a big part of the offense? Yeah, he's still a big part of that. You know, he was playing really, really well until he hurt that knee."

The hard data: Fitzgerald was targeted 103 times in 14 weeks. Last season, he was targeted 135 times. In the six years prior, he had never been targeted fewer than 153 times.

Although he was playing at a high level before injuring his knee, he had 46 receptions in 11 weeks, on pace for 67 receptions in a season.

In other words, for this relationship to continue, Fitzgerald will have to give back money. But Arians will have to give more of his offense to Fitzgerald. If there's a press conference in the next six weeks announcing a mutual divorce along with great mutual respect, you'll know that someone wouldn't budge.

That would be a shame.
 

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Man, what a tough spot for both parties. Fitz, I'm sure wants to stay in Az because this has been his home for 11+ years. Knows he's a fan favorite and list goes on and on. For the Cards, they will lose a valuable leader and the face of the franchise. Hope (slim) that there can be something worked out to keep him here. At the end of the day we all know its a business and both need to do what's best for themselves. Guess we will all see what transpires soon, but if he goes, I sure hope it's to an AFC team or non NFC West team. If he ended up in Seattle or SF, that would be the biggest kick in the sack
 

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Fitz has played his whole career with mostly bad QBs. Arians has made it clear that he sees Fitz as a blocker. Palmer didnt throw to him. Free Fitz now so he can play for NE, Denver or Green Bay before it is too late for him.
 

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If Fitz is on this team next year we can all thank Arians.

It's really quite simple at the end of the day. Arians either understands Fitz is his only reliable WR and adjusts his system to appease Fitz or he says no.

The front office will chat with Arians about it, but the decision could have repercussions long past the 2015 season if Arians says no.
 

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But the two years with Bruce Arians haven't been easy on Fitzgerald. He's been asked to block, run a lot of curl patterns and surrender the deep, sideline stuff to Michael Floyd.

So he's been asked to be a team player, seems easy enough... He's done that his whole career.

Is he really going to make his last couple of years about padding his stats?
 

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Fitz has played his whole career with mostly bad QBs. Arians has made it clear that he sees Fitz as a blocker. Palmer didnt throw to him. Free Fitz now so he can play for NE, Denver or Green Bay before it is too late for him.

Actually, Palmer did throw to Fitzgerald a lot in 2013, and it resulted in a lot of INT's.

But, yes, this last season, not so much.

Just sayin'
 

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Actually, Palmer did throw to Fitzgerald a lot in 2013, and it resulted in a lot of INT's.

But, yes, this last season, not so much.

Just sayin'

Yup...Fitz still draws the double teams...and last year, Palmer never saw a double team he didn't like. Floyd and the Browns don't have the opportunities they do get, without Fitz...If he's gone next year, their production will suffer, as they will now have to deal with the double teams, meant for Larry.


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Larry is an onion with many layers. As you begin to peel back the layers you see a different person from the perception which has been built around his brand over the years. In some layers you see the face of the Arizona Cardinals and the brand he has built with his giving and community involvement.

Other layers show Larry the football player who wants to be put in a position on this team that will guarantee his enshrinement into the Hall of Fame. He knows his stats need to be at a certain level and he feels they need more padding to lock down that entry.

Then there is the Larry who wants to make as much money as possible so his lifestyle can continue in the manner he is used to.

Other layers show a Larry that is happy to place the team in the third position after he feels comfortable with the entry into the Hall of Fame and a financially secured life.

Then there are layers that are ego related to the fact that he still feels that the offense should be built around Larry Fitzgerald. Unfortunately the offensive system BA has brought to the desert does not fit into the Fitzgerald plan.

When you get to the core Larry is not all that different than almost every other NFL player to come down the pike. Make as much money as you can, and if the team achieves a Super Bow,l then great, if not at least I have the money in my pocket to fall back on.

Don't forget since Larry has been to a Super Bowl that fulfills part of the Hall of Fame resume along with extremely nice stats on the way to the SB (playoff stats) and very nice SB stats. He just needs better regular season stats to go with it and he is not getting them in Arizona as a member of the Arizona Cardinals.

What will be most interesting is who has more pull and power with the powers to be? Will they relent to BA or push BA to satisfy Larry. This is really a classic power struggle here which will result in a winner and a loser. We just don't know where Bruce and Larry will end up. Who will be the winner and who will be the loser. Maybe some one can start a poll (where is Sissy) where you can select Bruce or Larry as the winner in this power struggle.
 

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Larry is an onion with many layers. As you begin to peel back the layers you see a different person from the perception which has been built around his brand over the years. In some layers you see the face of the Arizona Cardinals and the brand he has built with his giving and community involvement.

Other layers show Larry the football player who wants to be put in a position on this team that will guarantee his enshrinement into the Hall of Fame. He knows his stats need to be at a certain level and he feels they need more padding to lock down that entry.

Then there is the Larry who wants to make as much money as possible so his lifestyle can continue in the manner he is used to.

Other layers show a Larry that is happy to place the team in the third position after he feels comfortable with the entry into the Hall of Fame and a financially secured life.

Then there are layers that are ego related to the fact that he still feels that the offense should be built around Larry Fitzgerald. Unfortunately the offensive system BA has brought to the desert does not fit into the Fitzgerald plan.

When you get to the core Larry is not all that different than almost every other NFL player to come down the pike. Make as much money as you can, and if the team achieves a Super Bow,l then great, if not at least I have the money in my pocket to fall back on.

Don't forget since Larry has been to a Super Bowl that fulfills part of the Hall of Fame resume along with extremely nice stats on the way to the SB (playoff stats) and very nice SB stats. He just needs better regular season stats to go with it and he is not getting them in Arizona as a member of the Arizona Cardinals.

What will be most interesting is who has more pull and power with the powers to be? Will they relent to BA or push BA to satisfy Larry. This is really a classic power struggle here which will result in a winner and a loser. We just don't know where Bruce and Larry will end up. Who will be the winner and who will be the loser. Maybe some one can start a poll (where is Sissy) where you can select Bruce or Larry as the winner in this power struggle.

Then you have the Dude... Housler is like a potato lol
 

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What will be most interesting is who has more pull and power with the powers to be? Will they relent to BA or push BA to satisfy Larry. This is really a classic power struggle here which will result in a winner and a loser. We just don't know where Bruce and Larry will end up. Who will be the winner and who will be the loser. Maybe some one can start a poll (where is Sissy) where you can select Bruce or Larry as the winner in this power struggle.

Don't overlook the Michael Bidwill aspect. It's his team and money, and if he believes that the best PR move for the team is garnered from keeping Larry around, SK and company will be sure to use the "Cap Dollars are already baked in" line and keep Larry around.

I think Larry will be released this off-season, but I'm crossing my fingers they find a way to make it work.

Go Cards!!!
 

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The best PR move is to win. That's the bottom line. This whole saint Larry thing is a joke. He's made 130 million dollars in his career they have been more than taken care of him now he's in the later stage of his career and he's being asked to give something back. Lets see how much he's really Mr Cardinal.

Bottom line he's not the player he was. He hasn't been for awhile now and that's no shame he's a decade into his career guys get old they lose a step it's natural but it's up to Fitz to come around to reality. Does anyone here think BA is intentionally keeping him in the Hines Ward role for some other reasons? Come on now.

Now Larry has seen some dark days but this team has won double digit games the last two years. We're gonna find out if he wants to be a role player on a winner or a star on a bad team and get paid.

Make no mistake this is not on BA or MB this is on Larry if he comes back or not
 

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If he is, I hope him the best where he ends up padding those stats, cause it won't be in AZ.
He's put up enough stats for a HOF career. He has a great chance to win in Arizona. It seems odd that he'd elect to leave when the Cards are in their window of contention. I think it comes down to money, like most things.

I'm in the minority and think he'll be on the roster next year, unless, like mentioned, he's all about padding stats and goes to a place like Minny.
 

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He's put up enough stats for a HOF career. He has a great chance to win in Arizona. It seems odd that he'd elect to leave when the Cards are in their window of contention. I think it comes down to money, like most things.

I'm in the minority and think he'll be on the roster next year, unless, like mentioned, he's all about padding stats and goes to a place like Minny.

Minny is also his hometown... So more money and to be back home? Maybe...

However, I honestly believe that if Larry were to leave the Cards, it would be more due to the fact that he has a better chance to win a Championship. I just don't see some other team being able to pay Larry much more than what he could end up with here in AZ.
So, the money piece of the puzzle being essentially equal, I think Larry would only go somewhere where he feels his chances for a ring are optimized...
 

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Can we please just get over this whole face of the franchise bull crap? It's 100% simply overstated in over freaking used in relation to Fitz and the Arizona Cardinals.... Every team at some point loses their star players it just happens and they all survive get over it....
 

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He's put up enough stats for a HOF career. He has a great chance to win in Arizona. It seems odd that he'd elect to leave when the Cards are in their window of contention. I think it comes down to money, like most things.

I'm in the minority and think he'll be on the roster next year, unless, like mentioned, he's all about padding stats and goes to a place like Minny.

lol i dont think he will pad in minny. if he wants to pad its GB, NE, NO, Denver, somewhere like that.
 

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Minny is also his hometown... So more money and to be back home? Maybe...

Does he want to go to a place his Dad lives? If he's had a problem with what his dad puts on twitter..... lol, good luck to him with Dad writing that stuff in the local paper.
 

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@mikejurecki on #Fitz: "Positive movement in BOTH parties regarding the Fitzgerald situation."
 
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@mikejurecki on #Fitz: "Positive movement in BOTH parties regarding the Fitzgerald situation."

To expand on that, Larry can give up money here and still make more than anywhere else.

In Arizona he can earn $3.5 to $4 million per year in endorsements (at least) with Desert Schools Federal Credit Union, UOP, etc.

So a cut to say $8 million per season is actually earnings of more like $12 million per season compared to maybe $10 million per season in another market (where his endorsement possibilities are more limited or non-existent).

Ownership wants him here, Keim wants him here, Arians wants him here, and I believe Larry wants to be here and possibly finish his career as a lifelong Cardinal.

I have never thought Larry was leaving and I still do not believe he is going anywhere.

Want to play for a contender? How about a team that just won 21 games in two seasons and will likely do the same or better next season with a lot of healthy players back, drafted players, and other additions?
 

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The opposite is also true. Fits is being utilized as a tight end. They regularly motion him into the box as a blocker.

Question for you or anyone else that might have the knowledge to answer. Is that a product of the crappy situation we were in this year with regards to the offense, or is it a product of the BA offense of years past?
 

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Question for you or anyone else that might have the knowledge to answer. Is that a product of the crappy situation we were in this year with regards to the offense, or is it a product of the BA offense of years past?

Just a guess on my part but maybe Fitz was a better blocker than any of the TEs.
 

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The opposite is also true. Fits is being utilized as a tight end. They regularly motion him into the box as a blocker.
Right. That, among other reasons, is not what he want's do do regularly.

Question for you or anyone else that might have the knowledge to answer. Is that a product of the crappy situation we were in this year with regards to the offense, or is it a product of the BA offense of years past?
With BA's offense, Brown was your deep threat, say 40+ yards, Floyd was on the outside running sideline routes and Fitz was in the slot. As Don mentioned he was used almost as a TE a lot of the time. He'd block at the line or only go 5-10yrds long on a lot of routes too. It may not have come across on TV, but he seemed to be used as a decoy at times with the defense almost playing a zone around him. There were many games at home when the first half of the season were teams had a 5yrd triangle around Fitz as the play developed.

There was an article on ESPN that had Fitz's number prorated with Palmer and he was a 85rec -1200+yrd-5TD receiver. So the anomaly that was the offense is really hard to gauge how everyone really did.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/wild-card-steelers-cardinals-lions-bengals/
You can’t argue that Fitzgerald is worth more than 17 percent of the cap (assuming a $138 million figure), but he might not have slipped quite as far as his numbers suggest. Fitzgerald played six games with Carson Palmer this season before Palmer went down with a season-ending torn ACL. In those games, Fitzgerald produced numbers that prorate to an 85-catch, 1,288-yard, five-touchdown campaign. Those numbers were a little catch-lucky, since Fitzgerald caught an otherworldly 78 percent of his targets from Palmer, but you could happily live with giving a player with those numbers low-end WR1 money.
I think the blocking and short routes is what frustrated Fitz. If Arians can put him on the outside 70% of the time I bet Fitz would be content. He's the most reliable WR on the team.
 

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Fitz was looking as the Fitz of old right before Palmer's injury, or rather he has never played old and always has been Fitz... sucky QB is the problem and not Fitzgerald at all
 

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I'm reading posts here that suggest maybe BA will "accommodate" Larry by moving him back outside or using him differently. BA has used Larry the way he sees fit, and he believes that moving him to the "X" receiver was the best way to use him. Right, wrong, or indifferent, that's not going to change. Larry is two years older than he was when BA took over. I doubt Larry will say "move me where I want or I'm leaving" and I sure BA is not going to be bullied.
 
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