Big Board Ranking

[Harry]

The Athletic does a valuation of players big board ranking against team needs. They put the Cards draft on top followed by the Bills then Cowboys. Seattle did the worst.

 

[jf-08]

The Athletic does a valuation of players big board ranking against team needs. They put the Cards draft on top followed by the Bills then Cowboys. Seattle did the worst.

I think I like the bolded part almost as much as the underlined.

 

[Russ Smith]

NFL.com has a writer who moved us DOWN one spot in his power ratings and moved the 49ers UP. His rationale was we needed an OL and took a LB, they needed a DL and took a Dl.

I get the idea but the LB we took "could" wind up a perennial pro bowler, and he fits a HUGE need for us with ability to cover TE's. They picked a DL who on their own site they talk about how if you examine his production he largely dominated young offensive linemen and was held in check by more experienced guys. he really had 1 good game in his career against an OL who projects to be an NFL starter. And as I mentioned before, he has major health questions with his hip, his back and his knee.

I'm not saying he's a bad pick but I totally reject the notion that Kinlaw was a better pick for them than Simmons was for us.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

NFL.com has a writer who moved us DOWN one spot in his power ratings and moved the 49ers UP. His rationale was we needed an OL and took a LB, they needed a DL and took a Dl.

I get the idea but the LB we took "could" wind up a perennial pro bowler, and he fits a HUGE need for us with ability to cover TE's. They picked a DL who on their own site they talk about how if you examine his production he largely dominated young offensive linemen and was held in check by more experienced guys. he really had 1 good game in his career against an OL who projects to be an NFL starter. And as I mentioned before, he has major health questions with his hip, his back and his knee.

I'm not saying he's a bad pick but I totally reject the notion that Kinlaw was a better pick for them than Simmons was for us.

One of my favorite fantasy analysts said that the 49ers shouldn't get better than a C- for Kinlaw when it was a lateral or less move from the guy they traded to get the pick.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

One of my favorite fantasy analysts said that the 49ers shouldn't get better than a C- for Kinlaw when it was a lateral or less move from the guy they traded to get the pick.

Not saying I think Kinlaw is better than Buckner, but surely the financial consideration matter here in calculating the quality of the move?

 

[Russ Smith]

Not saying I think Kinlaw is better than Buckner, but surely the financial consideration matter here in calculating the quality of the move?

It does, and the same writer referred to them getting a "HOF level LT" as well , and he did preface it that we don't really know what to expect from Trent Williams.

I just reject the idea that we needed a LT more than Simmons. About half the sacks Murray took last year were on him, as the season went on and he figured that out, suddenly the OL looked much better. If there's a season, we're going to probably see that process continue. And having a young Karlos Dansby type guy at LB who can play all over is huge. Remember we were much stronger on offense than defense last year, we addressed that in FA and in the draft with Simmons. We got a great WR.

They have us 24th in their strength index, they have KC 1st and SF 2nd. I'm not saying we're going to win the SB but I think we are going to be significantly better on defense next year. Simmons, the guys in FA, and a full season from PP.

I can see us jumping up several spots. Now we also have the potential to do what Cleveland did last year, get a high profile WR so now you want to take more shots downfield and then your OL might be a problem I don't know, I just don't see our offense designed the way Cleveland's was.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Not saying I think Kinlaw is better than Buckner, but surely the financial consideration matter here in calculating the quality of the move?

Yes because the cash savings and the rookie don't equal the player going out.

You can't trade prime PP for Okudah + cap space and think that really helps your team. You are fortunate if you end up lateral with that

 

[Harry]

Not saying I think Kinlaw is better than Buckner, but surely the financial consideration matter here in calculating the quality of the move?

It will take a significant amount of development for Kinlaw to match Buckner. Kinlaw is a projection. Buckner is a reality.

 

[football karma]

It will take a significant amount of development for Kinlaw to match Buckner. Kinlaw is a projection. Buckner is a reality.

this X100

SF gave Armistead what is effectively a 2 year, $34mm contract

yet they shied away from giving a far better player -- Buckner -- one that would average $20mm

I don't get it

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

It does, and the same writer referred to them getting a "HOF level LT" as well , and he did preface it that we don't really know what to expect from Trent Williams.

I just reject the idea that we needed a LT more than Simmons. About half the sacks Murray took last year were on him, as the season went on and he figured that out, suddenly the OL looked much better. If there's a season, we're going to probably see that process continue. And having a young Karlos Dansby type guy at LB who can play all over is huge. Remember we were much stronger on offense than defense last year, we addressed that in FA and in the draft with Simmons. We got a great WR.

They have us 24th in their strength index, they have KC 1st and SF 2nd. I'm not saying we're going to win the SB but I think we are going to be significantly better on defense next year. Simmons, the guys in FA, and a full season from PP.

I can see us jumping up several spots. Now we also have the potential to do what Cleveland did last year, get a high profile WR so now you want to take more shots downfield and then your OL might be a problem I don't know, I just don't see our offense designed the way Cleveland's was.

I said earlier I refer to Simmons closer Adrian Wilson who actually played around the 230 range I believe but I'm thinking he is kinda Wilson, Dansby and Washington all rolled into one He is simply like Keim said a "Eraser" I'm really growing fond of that name for him

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

It will take a significant amount of development for Kinlaw to match Buckner. Kinlaw is a projection. Buckner is a reality.

Of course. I didn’t say or imply any differently.

Another reality: Buckner’s AAV is 21 over 5 years and Kinlaw’s is 4 over 4.

 

[Jetstream Green]

The Athletic does a valuation of players big board ranking against team needs. They put the Cards draft on top followed by the Bills then Cowboys. Seattle did the worst.

I think Seattle is 'wait and see' because unlike the Patriots they tend to connect on getting 'cute' picks lol

 

[Veer]

I think I like the bolded part almost as much as the underlined.

Media roasted the Seahawks for their 2012 draft. How could they select Wagner ahead of the in all metrics and stats superior Kendricks, and pick a midget QB in the 3rd??!

 

[Veer]

I think Seattle is 'wait and see' because unlike the Patriots they tend to connect on getting 'cute' picks lol

They don't get cute, but the Seahawks and Patriots draft very scheme specific to the point where they love players in the early rounds that other teams wouldn't consider until very late. It's no surprise they trade down a lot. Both always pick late anyway and why not get some additional mid and late picks when you are 100% sure your target isn't liked as much by other teams. Imo this had lead to some 1st round whiffs for those two teams, but they are the very best in the mid and late rounds. They never get A grades for their draft classes. Yet they still get most of their draft picks to contribute on the field, some of them turning into stars, since they fit their schemes perfectly.

 

[Jetstream Green]

They don't get cute, but the Seahawks and Patriots draft very scheme specific to the point where they love players in the early rounds that other teams wouldn't consider until very late. It's no surprise they trade down a lot. Both always pick late anyway and why not get some additional mid and late picks when you are 100% sure your target isn't liked as much by other teams. Imo this had lead to some 1st round whiffs for those two teams, but they are the very best in the mid and late rounds. They never get A grades for their draft classes.

I agree on the conjecture of taking players to fit a scheme for Seattle in a more advantageous approach which for them is not really cute as you aptly discern but the Patriots in my opinion have been living off of fumes since they had Brady and Belichick is a awesome coach... but there is only so much of making nothing out of nothing at all which is going to bite the Pat's arse soon because frankly the Pats have had numerous drafts which stunk and their cavalier approach to players entering their prime has no warrant of logic

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

I checked out the Athletic sports site you referenced and thought it looked very good in many ways. I signed up for the 90 day free trial and spent a good portion of this afternoon reading articles, especially some early fantasy player rankings.