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According the EVT:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/97059?source=rss&dest=STY-97059#

Meanwhile, the Suns have not heard any more news from former Chicago Bulls forward/center P.J. Brown, who may be waffling on his decision to retire, and don’t expect to have an answer before training camp begins Oct. 1. But before camp begins, the Suns will sign a big man to a non-guaranteed contract to fill their final roster spot. Michael Sweetney, Elton Brown, Vitaly Potapenko and former Sun Jake Tsakalidis are among those under consideration.
Whole story, discusses Marion stuff a bit more too:

Suns, Jazz had brief talks involving Marion

Jerry Brown, Tribune

The Suns and Utah Jazz briefly discussed a multi-player trade with All-Stars Shawn Marion and Andrei Kirilenko as the centerpieces last month, but talks ended quickly and have not been revived.

A source close to the situation said talks between the Suns and Jazz consisted of “one brief phone call” in early August, and that the two teams haven’t spoken since.

It is not known which side initiated the talks, but both sides have reason to be interested.

Marion is already the Suns' highest-paid player – he will earn $16.44 million this season and has a player option at $17.18 million for the 2008-09 season. He is also seeking a contract extension and raise that would make it difficult for the Suns to keep their team together and stay under the league’s luxury tax threshold.

Marion, 29, can opt out of his contract at the end of the season and become a free agent if he thinks another team will pay as much or more for his services.

Kirilenko, 26, makes less money next season ($13.71 million) which would give the Suns a little wiggle room under the salary cap at present. But he is due more than $63 million over the next four seasons, topping out at $17.82 million for the 2010-11 season.

The Russian was a huge disappointment last season, averaging only 8.3 points and 4.7 rebounds. He started all 70 games he played in, but clashed with coach Jerry Sloan over his playing time and role as the Jazz had a great season behind stars Carlos Boozer, Deron Williams and Mehmet Okur. His poor play and huge salary have made him a target for Jazz fans and made for an uncomfortable situation -- shielded somewhat by Utah's run to the Western Conference finals.

In his career, Kirilenko has averaged 13 points and 6.2 rebounds, regularly ranking among the league leaders in blocks (2.5 a game) and steals (1.5).

The talks apparently involved other players, with both teams looking to fill backup needs. The Jazz are looking for help at backup point guard – the Suns have Marcus Banks to dangle – while the Suns need more size and rebounding up front – a spot someone like Paul Millsap or Jarron Collins could fill.

Meanwhile, the Suns have not heard any more news from former Chicago Bulls forward/center P.J. Brown, who may be waffling on his decision to retire, and don’t expect to have an answer before training camp begins Oct. 1. But before camp begins, the Suns will sign a big man to a non-guaranteed contract to fill their final roster spot. Michael Sweetney, Elton Brown, Vitaly Potapenko and former Sun Jake Tsakalidis are among those under consideration.
 
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I'd love to see Sweetney brought in with a non-guaranteed contract.
 

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Michael Sweetney, Elton Brown, Vitaly Potapenko and former Sun Jake Tsakalidis are among those under consideration.

My guess is that that's an utter fabrication. Sweetney doesn't even come close to fitting the Suns' style, Tsakalidis just took another job, and I've never heard of "Elton Brown."

Potapenko is the best of the lot -- talk about damning with faint praise -- and his name has come up before, which is probably why it is resurfacing here. I guess he could be a practice body.
 

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My guess is that that's an utter fabrication. Sweetney doesn't even come close to fitting the Suns' style, Tsakalidis just took another job, and I've never heard of "Elton Brown."

Potapenko is the best of the lot -- talk about damning with faint praise -- and his name has come up before, which is probably why it is resurfacing here. I guess he could be a practice body.

I think it is hogwash too.

Sweetney, although I seem to like him, is not Suns material. Big Jake is employed overseas as u mentioned, and I doubt they sign a Potopenko or Brown.

I am very surprised that Brian Skinner's name has not come up all season long. I am beginning to think this guy secretly gave up basketball or something because he is by far the best big man out there and has been out there from day one.

Does somebody know something about Skinner that I don't? So weird his name never comes up. I can even make the argument he is better than PJ Brown.
 

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Does somebody know something about Skinner that I don't? So weird his name never comes up. I can even make the argument he is better than PJ Brown.

No you cant.

Skinner's career highlights are getting dunked on by Amare in Philly and Milwaukee, as well as Kobe, Fred Jones etc etc
 

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Okay, I read his interview, and he's really funny. Put me on the Elton Brown bandwagon.

I also like that he played four years at Duke. The Suns need some players with legitimate college training.

Did he go completely undrafted?
 

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No you cant.

Skinner's career highlights are getting dunked on by Amare in Philly and Milwaukee, as well as Kobe, Fred Jones etc etc

Oh ok. Thank you sir. You are so correct.

Being dunked on by Amare and Kobe makes you a horrible player. Nice. Love your logic. Run for president, buddy.

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At this point of their careers Brian Skinner is far more supurb than PJ Brown. Skinner is younger, faster, more aggressive. He shoots far better, rebounds more, and blocks more. The numbers below speak for themselves:

Skinner, age 31, 4.4pts, 5.7rebs, 1.0blks, 49% shooting, 22 minutes

Brown, age 38, 6.1pts, 4.8rebs, 0.7blks, 40% shooting, 21 minutes


Hmm. Oh well. Maybe I'm just stupid or something and you are always right and Sunsman44 is always wrong.

(I will never understand this forum. sigh) :bang:
 

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Regular season stats.. and Skinner on a tanking team..

Skinner shoots a high percentage because he doesn't shoot.

Check Browns playoff numbers that is all that matters against the Heat and Pistons none the less.

You think its coincedence that PJ Brown is highly recruited still and Skinner gets like no interest?
 

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Regular season stats.. and Skinner on a tanking team..

Skinner shoots a high percentage because he doesn't shoot.

Check Browns playoff numbers that is all that matters against the Heat and Pistons none the less.

You think its coincedence that PJ Brown is highly recruited still and Skinner gets like no interest?

Exactly. Things like defense, toughness, and leadership aren't accurately measured statistically.
 

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Looks like Sweetney and Potopekno will both be in for workouts tomorrow, according to Gambo.
 

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If Sweetney has lost some weight and shows he can actually run, I guess he could be our 4th big. But Potapenko is toasted since the end of the 20st century, unfortunately.
 

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If Sweetney has lost some weight and shows he can actually run, I guess he could be our 4th big. But Potapenko is toasted since the end of the 20st century, unfortunately.

4th big? Are we talking about the Suns?

Last I checked, Phoenix had two bigs: Amare and Marks.

I highly doubt you can label a guard/forward from France a "big" and I highly doubt you can label 6-7 small forward Marion a big.

Suns have two bigs. They need to sign 2 more to compete. Since there is nobody to sign, they need to work on some trades.

No way Amare and Marks, alongside a Potopenko will get the job done against San Antonio, Detroit, or Dallas.

God, I never thought we'd come down to talk about Potopenko working out for Phoenix. But in all fairness, Potopenko is only 32 years old. He turns 33 next year so he is still fairly young compared to what your options are. I thought he was much older, but no. Still might have some game left.
 
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Suns have two bigs. They need to sign 2 more to compete. Since there is nobody to sign, they need to work on some trades.

What part of "It's not going to happen" do you not understand? I mean seriously.

You panic every time another team signs a "big," even while simultaneously admitting that the player wouldn't help the Suns anyway.

The Suns are standing pat, unless they convince Brown to play for them. Nothing else is relevant. You don't have to like it, and I don't really either, but it is what it is.

If you want to keep making the same point over and over, at least acknowledge that nothing is changing from week to week.
 

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4th big? Are we talking about the Suns?

Last I checked, Phoenix had two bigs: Amare and Marks.

I highly doubt you can label a guard/forward from France a "big" and I highly doubt you can label 6-7 small forward Marion a big.

Suns have two bigs. They need to sign 2 more to compete. Since there is nobody to sign, they need to work on some trades.

No way Amare and Marks, alongside a Potopenko will get the job done against San Antonio, Detroit, or Dallas.

God, I never thought we'd come down to talk about Potopenko working out for Phoenix. But in all fairness, Potopenko is only 32 years old. He turns 33 next year so he is still fairly young compared to what your options are. I thought he was much older, but no. Still might have some game left.


The important thing isn't what players position labels are on their profiles. It is where they would play for this team, next season, under this coach. Marion and Diaw are bigs. Get over it.
 

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The important thing isn't what players position labels are on their profiles. It is where they would play for this team, next season, under this coach. Marion and Diaw are bigs. Get over it.

It is mostly how a guy plays, rather than measurments. For example, Udonis Haslem plays big, but he is listed by NBA.com at 6'8" 235 http://www.nba.com/playerfile/udonis_haslem/index.html and at 6'8" 228 by Hoopshype http://www.hoopshype.com/players/udonis_haslem.htm. What matters is that he's very strong and very agressive.
 

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It is mostly how a guy plays, rather than measurments. For example, Udonis Haslem plays big, but he is listed by NBA.com at 6'8" 235 http://www.nba.com/playerfile/udonis_haslem/index.html and at 6'8" 228 by Hoopshype http://www.hoopshype.com/players/udonis_haslem.htm. What matters is that he's very strong and very agressive.

I disagree. LeBron james is very strong and very aggressive. So is Baron Davis. It's all about what your job is on the court. Being wiry and afraid of contact doesn't make Steven Hunter a shooting guard.
 

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