Bird's remark right, not racist

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Bird’s remarks right, not racist

By Scott Bordow,

Tribune


Let's get this out of the way first: Larry Bird is not a racist.
Emotions often obscure reason when the subject of race is broached, so it would be easy to paint Bird with a black and white brush.
That would be a mistake.

During a one-hour ESPN special that aired Thursday night, Bird was asked by host Jim Gray if the NBA lacked white superstars.

‘‘Well, I think so,’’ Bird said. ‘‘You know, when I played you had me and Kevin (McHale) and some others throughout the league. I think it’s good for a fan base because, as we all know, the majority of the fans are white America. And if you just had a couple of white guys in there, you might get them a little excited.

‘‘But it is a black man’s game, and it will be forever. I mean, the greatest athletes in the world are African-Americans.’’

Skin deep, Bird's analysis is a bunch of white noise. Black players have been embraced by fans for years, no greater example being the state of Utah wrapping its white arms around Karl Malone.

“In my opinion, fans are much more (concerned) about personal conduct of athletes,” said Suns chairman Jerry Colangelo. “I don't think it has anything to do with color.”

On an individual basis, probably not. But Bird touched upon a deeper, more disturbing question:

Has the NBA become too black for Middle America? Of the 408 players in the NBA last season, 312 were black.

“It's a no-brainer,” said Charles Barkley. “The only folks who think we're past racism are white folks. Racism is the greatest cancer in our lifetime. It always has been in play and it always will be.

“The majority of fans are white and the sponsors are white,” Barkley added. “You don't think they want to see more whites?”

Maybe. But this is not an issue of color as much as it is an issue of culture and generation.

For some whites, young, black athletes in the NBA are emblematic of a hip-hop culture they don't understand or appreciate.

Tattoos. Rap music. Jewelry. The “thuggery” of the game.

Tiger Woods was widely accepted because he's “safe.” Allen Iverson isn't.

The current issue of Dime Magazine — which promotes itself as “the basketball lifestyle magazine” and is popular among NBA players — symbolizes the gulf between middle class, white America and what it perceives the NBA to be about.

A two-page advertisement inside the magazine shows three black men sitting around a table that's littered with stacks of $50 bills. They're all wearing expensive, oversized jewelry, and two of the three are heavily tattooed.

It's a clothing ad for the G Unit Clothing Company. But what does the suburban white father see?

“Just because they're hip-hop doesn't mean you have to have a negative perception,” Barkley said. “That's racist thinking of its own.”

Dr. Harry Edwards, formerly a professor of sociology at California, disagrees with Barkley's assessment.

It is not racism that divides some white fans from black athletes, Edwards said, but a divide in their lifestyles.

“In the minds of Joe Fan or Joe Lunch Bucket in the suburbs or Appalachians, they don't make distinctions between color and culture,” he said. “How they make the decision is, ‘Where am I in that? If I'm not like that, why am I watching that stuff?’

“It's like hockey. How many blacks would follow hockey even if there are great black hockey players?” Edwards, a black man, believes Bird does not deserve criticism but praise for daring to broach such a sensitive subject.

“At the end of the day, in a highly diverse society, it's critically important for an institution of society to represent to some defensive degree that diversity,” Edwards said. “We need more players with greater diversity in the NBA.”

As an example, Edwards recalled a game this past season between the Golden State Warriors and Houston Rockets at the Arena in Oakland.

Edwards said he had never seen so many Asians in floor-level seats. The attraction: 7-foot-6 Rockets center Yao Ming, of China.

“I think Larry was right on the money,” Edwards said. “He wasn't doing social commentary. What Larry was addressing was a business issue.”

Bird's observations, which were seconded by Magic Johnson, skipped one notable fact: The average ticket price for an NBA game this past season was $50. That likely causes more empty seats in arenas than the color of a point guard's skin.

That said, it would be foolish to ignore Bird's commentary. We may wince at what he says. We may not like what it says about us.

But that doesn't make it any less true.

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How many top 5 picks have been white stiffs?

The NBA is so desperate to find the next Larry Bird that they are willing to draft Dunleavys on the slim chance that they might actually turn out to be good.

Another thing they didn't talk about in the article is the foriegn player. Do you think white America would be any more likely to embrace a white Russian superstar?
 

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The NBA is culturally biased. That is a fact. Just the mere notion of the marketing slant is indicative of the perception. David Stern and the NBA marketing gurus are basically pandering to the advertisers, i.e. Sports gear and junkfood. Their demographic is inner city youth. That is where the game has gone. It has bcome a TV game based on individual highlights. The overall game has deteriorated to a schoolyard level and has become pathetically boring and tedious to watch. Coaches have become desperate to survive and are willing to create low scoring defense oriented teams with little or no offense. If white guys don't fit that scheme, they don't get a job. Maybe Larry was saying, the NBA needs shooters even if they are white and if they happen to be white, maybe the white biased culture will be more interested.

Incredulously, a bunch of people have turned Larry Bird's opinion into a racial slur. I can't find anything preposterous about what he said. Culture is what it is. People of one culture more closely identify with members of their own culture. That is part of the definition of culture. Maybe Bird didn't say so eloquently, but he made sense. Crowds are disappearing from arenas and television ratings are plummeting. Whatever the marketing formula is construed to be, it is failing. The NBA will not survive without fannies in the seats and eyeballs watching telecasts. That's entertainment. Social correctness and marketing make strange bedfellows.

P.S. In this age of socio/political correctness it is not fair to stereotype white or black players. So why is it okay for national media types to constantly use terms like " big white stiff "? If Greg Ostertagg is a " big white stiff " what is Robert " Tractor " Traylor. Oh, don't forget " white men can't jump ".
 

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People of one culture more closely identify with members of their own culture. That is part of the definition of culture.

It's possible for white and black people to be of the same culture, just as it is possible for two white people to be of completely different cultures. I am lot more culturally "at home" with my black coworkers than I would be with a white supremacist group.

Attendance is down because the games are too expensive for average fans, white or black, to attend. TV ratings are down because the explosion of cable and satellite has made it more difficult for any "traditional" programming to hang onto the ratings it's accustomed to. The league could have 50% white players or more, and that would not cause me to change my attendance at games or my viewing habits -- unless, of course, the white players weren't very good, in which case I'd be less interested.

Bird may or may not be racist, but he is wrong. White superstars won't improve ratings. Real fans of the NBA have no problem rooting for Garnett or Duncan or Ben Wallace.

Your points about the poor shooting and "playground" style are well taken, however. And I agree that using the inner-city sandlots as the game's primary talent pool is detrimental. In street ball, it doesn't matter whether you can shoot nearly as much as it matters whether you can yell louder than the other guy and finish your layups while getting hammered.

So why is it okay for national media types to constantly use terms like " big white stiff "?

I challenge you to find a single example of that phrase used in print (or on line) by a "national media type," except for deliberate irony. I suppose the likes of Barkley or the odious Stephen A. Smith might say something like that on TV, but Barkley does it specifically to be outrageous (he plays by different rules from everyone else) and Smith is an idiot.
 

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I pretty much agree with Eric. This really has little to do with whether a player is black or white. White people all over the planet loved Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, and Charles Barkley. They were great players, and they have personality. They are all relatively articulate.

Shaquille O'Neal can be very funny and entertaining than the next minute he's mumbling under his breath in a Ben Stein like monotone voice. His comments the other day about his teammates passing him the ball and about putting on his pants and thong underwear were hysterical. Kobe Bryant is well spoken and usually a good interview. Now he has his legal trouble.

BTW most of the people who are quick to call Larry Bird a racist never mention his other comments in that interview. He talks about how he thought it was disrespectful for the opposing coach to send a white guy to guard him implying that the white guys were piss poor defenders.

Also, if Mike Dunleavy was black he would have been the #2 draft pick behind only Yao Ming. He was drafted where he was because of his size and skills.

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Although there is no standard definition of culture, most alternatives incorporate the Boasian postulates as in the case of Bates and Plog's offering, which we shall accept as a working version:

Culture: The system of shared beliefs, values, customs, behaviours, and artifacts that the members of society use to cope with their world and with one another, and that are transmitted from generation to generation through learning.
 

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I was a Suns fan from birth, I loved the NBA and the game of basketball. I looked forward to October as soon as the finals were over. Around the mid-90s, I just couldn't stand how unprofessional, unsportsmanlike, and (for lack of a better term) thuggish the NBA had become. I still love to play basketball, but I can't stand the NBA and could care less about the Suns. Now, I can't even pronounce the names of half the players, and those whose name I can pronounce look like gangbangers and sound like 3rd grade-rappers-in-training. I AM Joe Lunchpail and I'd say Bird's comments are right on as they apply to me. I am not racist, but I surely cannot identify with any of the players in today's NBA. I vote with my wallet.
 

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BradMannTX said:
I was a Suns fan from birth, I loved the NBA and the game of basketball. I looked forward to October as soon as the finals were over. Around the mid-90s, I just couldn't stand how unprofessional, unsportsmanlike, and (for lack of a better term) thuggish the NBA had become. I still love to play basketball, but I can't stand the NBA and could care less about the Suns. Now, I can't even pronounce the names of half the players, and those whose name I can pronounce look like gangbangers and sound like 3rd grade-rappers-in-training. I AM Joe Lunchpail and I'd say Bird's comments are right on as they apply to me. I am not racist, but I surely cannot identify with any of the players in today's NBA. I vote with my wallet.

That sucks. We need more fans like you. I can see how the state of the league turned you off.

I'm just a hoop junkie, and nothing will alter my allegiance to the Suns.

It would be nice to see AWA filled with fans like it was at the Madhouse.
 

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sly fly said:
That sucks. We need more fans like you. I can see how the state of the league turned you off.

I'm just a hoop junkie, and nothing will alter my allegiance to the Suns.

It would be nice to see AWA filled with fans like it was at the Madhouse.
AWA is a nice building and fan friendly in terms of amenities, but there was nothing better than the smell of old-building, polish sausages and beer combined with the noise and excitement of Veteran's Memorial. That was back in the day, for sure.

My mother told me how the Suns were a freebie for people who paid to get into the State Fair when they first started...that's hard to imagine. She was a die-hard from the beginning, raised me to be one and this is what it's come to, I guess.

Good luck to the NBA. I hope they make gajizzillions, but they won't be getting any of mine.
 

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I'm of the thought that a fan needs to be an " old timer " like me to appreciate what the NBA was and not appreciate what it has become. Basketball has long been my priority in sports playing and watching. I still play, and quite decently, but my watching is minimal. Game #4 was so terminally boring, to me, that I tuned in before Deadwood came on, tuned out for Deadwood, tuned back in to see a 4th Quarter score in the 50's and turned it off for good. If it takes a " White Superstar " , as Larry Bird suggests,to bring more viewing to the league, for whatever skewed reasoning, so be it. This sad excuse for NBA basketball is mind numbing. If this league does not begin emphasize scoring , it will turn into the NHL.

A bunch of old guys don't care if a guy can windmill dunk for ESPN while his team shoots 35 % from the field and 58 % from the line, resulting into the equivalent of paint drying. in these 70 point games. But that same old geezer will watch good ball and buy a ticket. Old players like me will buy a decent pair of scoots, but not because " The Answer " wears them. And we won't buy Chuck Taylor's Converse canvas either.

GMs need to stop drafting HS prospects and give the colleges a chance to teach basketball to the future of the NBA. College coaching needs to get the message and teach up tempo basketball and get away from that BIG East BIG TEN mugging style of ball. If a few white shooters or stiffs make it to the NBA because they can score without the windmill dunk, I say , you go Larry Bird. But please , anybody, of any color, learn to play the game before you declare for the NBA.

P.S. NBA marketing . Get off the thug train. It's basketball. Ballet in rubber soled shoes. Once the greatest game ever invented.
 

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You're confusing athleticism with skin color. I've watched replays of games from "the good old days," and the main reason people could shoot so well is that they weren't being guarded. Today's players can also shoot if no one's on them, but because they defend so much more closely, they don't shoot as well in the game. That is an overgeneralization, but not a huge one. (Edit: Today's players score just fine in the All-Star game, but most fans find that game to be the most boring of the season.)

You're also confusing thug culture with low scores. I agree that both are problems, but they aren't the same thing, and I disagree with your implication that they go hand-in-hand.
 
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