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Players contracts are not guaranteed; head coaches are. Wilks signed a 4 year guarantee. Coaches, even coordinators, are much cheaper. Expect them to dump McCoy and maybe one defensive guy to appease the fans. I don’t see a Bidwill eating 4 years based on genetic programming.

If this is the scenario, then i think there will be three guys avail this offseason who could be available as a high profile OC to try to restore faith:

Jay Gruden
Dirk Koetter
Hue Jackson

all are far better OCs than HCs. Koetter the most creative of the three.
 

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I think Micheal will eat about 8 mio or more on money just to get rid of this mess.

This team is underachieving by far. Gets outcoached and manhandled but the worst thing is, they loose because of poor HC/OC choices, already 2 of the games got lost that way.

So from my standpoint, Wilks is a guy that sells well. He talked about the X and the O's that he is a guy that preffers run first, what with the intent of getting a QotF by Keim/Bidwill was great, he talked about not changing the 3-4 (at the very beginning) and how everyone of our good D would excel in his new hybrid D. He even talked about, putting the players in position to succseed and to get something done and to train O-line.

I see a quite good Pass Pro O-line, that is put in a bad situation because the OC shows his hand before the snap, when the QB takes the rains and calls a no huddle offense than gosh ... this O-line is great, how good they could be with a competent OC, is something I would look forward to see on the field. But we have old McCoy and his farm of unmotivated calls and bad plays and wrong usage of personel.

I see D Players that still are great or good but that now need to do everything top to get at least a serviceable outlook. Bucannon wasn't bad at $LB was he the best LB no, was he bad no, did he look better in the years under Bowles than under Bettcher, yes.

But the D overall isn't suited for a 4-3 and I don't know if Keim/Bidwill were so happy that Wilkes changed the D fully to a 4-3 base D that rarely uses 3-4 packages or plays with something like a poistion suited for Bucannon or Reddick(who shows that he can play, only 4 different positions in 2 years is quite a task to master)


On friday we will know more about the wereabouts of this Staff.

But IMHO Wilkes is a salesman, he sold us a 4-3/3-4 Hybrid that wouldn't change really the personel an offense that was run first and that was build to run block first and get 4.5 yards per carry or more so that our QB behind it could sling it only when there was something open. And he told us that he was a coach that would put his players in position to make a play.

Now we know:
Wilkes is indeed only a guy that does talk the talk and doesn't walk the walk, he has a 4-3 base D that isn't a hybrid or anything it's a simple 4-3D and we don't had the personel for it or did add personel for it. He didn't build a run first Offense, but an offense that can't run and can't pass, we aren't build to runblock first but to pass block first, Bradford and Rosen had sometimes 7 seconds to throw, but no route was open, that isn't working, and we are the worst team in running the ball so, we don't have a rungame at all and that does destroy any help it could give a QotF. And he isn't a coach that puts players in position to make a play, the D players abandon there positions to get the play, they have to overcompensate and they achieve it against bad QB/RB or guys that play in garbage time mode, but if someone puts the paddle to the metal they get burned.

So from my view, Keim/Bidwill got sold out like we got and they now see something totally different than they got advertised, I hope Mike goes to Wilkes on firday and tells him "This isn't what you told us you would do to this team, this is nothing alike and we can't continue like this."
 

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Sure it is if he had his way we would run the ball 40 times & play games 20-17.

That’s his philosophy & he said it the day he was hired & that doesn’t win consistently in today’s NFL! It just doesn’t.

This is not exactly true, I've seen this posted in several thread and not just by you Bucky. His statements were more about running the ball to set up the pass. Yes, that is old school football, but he never said anything about running the ball 40 times a game.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...lks-on-offensive-philosophy-establish-the-run
 

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The talent holes specifically at LB and WR are on Keim and Keim only. But it's also the parity-driven NFL so pretty much every team has holes to patch the best they can and coaches do it with scheme, game management, and some personnel development. Hell, look no further than 2017 when we won 8 games on the backs of guys like Kerwynn Williams, Blaine Gabbert, and old man Dansby.

That's where Wilks and McCoy are at fault. The roster as a whole isn't good but it's nowhere near this bad.

Maybe but there is a huge assumption going on here. The assumption is that Wilks decided he was going into this season with a 4-3 defense, early enough for Keim to do something about it. We are also assuming that Wilks didn't tell Keim that "I think I can make Buc and HR" good LBs in a 4-3.
 

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This is not exactly true, I've seen this posted in several thread and not just by you Bucky. His statements were more about running the ball to set up the pass. Yes, that is old school football, but he never said anything about running the ball 40 times a game.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...lks-on-offensive-philosophy-establish-the-run
No disrespect Mike but don’t over analyze me slightly overstating what he wants his philosophy to be.

He studied under Lovie Smith & Ron Rivera whom run the ball like it was 1970 & Thesmel was the HC. Lol

It’s just not going win consistently in this league today when the rules dictate it’s a passing league.

He’s too conservative on what he wants on offense & it most likely cost us at least 1 win against Seattle on our last drive in FG range. He personally said afterward he called for 3 runs before we missed the FG.

He’s been heavily criticized also in the media for his conservative nature. I have SERIOUS doubts how far he can take this team even if the talent on both sides are improved in 2 years.

If we want Josh Rosen’s talent to be wasted away, I think Steve Wilks is just the guy to do it! Ugh
 
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Maybe but there is a huge assumption going on here. The assumption is that Wilks decided he was going into this season with a 4-3 defense, early enough for Keim to do something about it. We are also assuming that Wilks didn't tell Keim that "I think I can make Buc and HR" good LBs in a 4-3.
He’s actually playing predominantly a 4-2-5 which is even more ludicrous considering we can’t stop the run.

It’s mind blowing Wilks seems to not have his staff adjust, especially after halftime when we’re getting thrashed in the 3rd quarter.

I understand we have short comings at LB, but everyone knows if you can’t stop the run you basically have zero chance. I’m tired of hearing his excuses of gap integrity...make a freaking change in what you’re doing.

More reasons he should be poo canned after this season unless dramatic improvement starts in the last 8 games imo.
 

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Where the NFL has changed regarding running the ball is that you generally have to do something to create positive angles for linemen. That can be formation or motion, but that is what the best teams in the NFL are doing to combat the new age of defensive linemen.

This is interesting...do you think our lack of success in running the ball is due to an outdated scheme? I feel like every time we are in a short yardage running situation, we run a slow developing run between the tackles. It really reminds me of the whizenhunt years when perfectly executed run plays would get 4-5 yards and if one guy made an error it resulted in a 4 yard loss.
 

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This is interesting...do you think our lack of success in running the ball is due to an outdated scheme? I feel like every time we are in a short yardage running situation, we run a slow developing run between the tackles. It really reminds me of the whizenhunt years when perfectly executed run plays would get 4-5 yards and if one guy made an error it resulted in a 4 yard loss.
I think the Cards have a combination of issues why they can’t run.

1) coaching
2) Oline gets no push & isn’t very good
3) TEs are poor blockers
4) DJ isn’t right & has lost confidence
5) don’t use their FB more than a few plays a game

I also believe the Cards need to spread out defenses more in 3 & 4 receiver sets. They should also use more shotgun & RPOs like most teams do these days. Way too many tight formations which puts more guys in the box, which imo especially bad when you’re Oline struggles to open holes for DJ.
 

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If this is the scenario, then i think there will be three guys avail this offseason who could be available as a high profile OC to try to restore faith:

Jay Gruden
Dirk Koetter
Hue Jackson

all are far better OCs than HCs. Koetter the most creative of the three.

Can't see why Gruden would be available, unless Snyder fires him.

Browns ownership loves Hue Jackson and dictated to John Dorsey he could not fire Hue.

Dirk is dead man walking and will be looking for a job.
 

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Can't see why Gruden would be available, unless Snyder fires him.

Browns ownership loves Hue Jackson and dictated to John Dorsey he could not fire Hue.

Dirk is dead man walking and will be looking for a job.

my post assumes all will be let go as HCs this offseason

I think if Gruden doesn't make the postseason in a weak NFC East, Synder makes a move
 

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Maybe but there is a huge assumption going on here. The assumption is that Wilks decided he was going into this season with a 4-3 defense, early enough for Keim to do something about it. We are also assuming that Wilks didn't tell Keim that "I think I can make Buc and HR" good LBs in a 4-3.
Wilks was the d coordinator of a 4-3. What did Keim think he was getting?!? I mean how often do coordinators change their basic spots??? And if he convinced Keim he was going to do so Keims an idiot.
 

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This is interesting...do you think our lack of success in running the ball is due to an outdated scheme? I feel like every time we are in a short yardage running situation, we run a slow developing run between the tackles. It really reminds me of the whizenhunt years when perfectly executed run plays would get 4-5 yards and if one guy made an error it resulted in a 4 yard loss.
Here is what I know...

1-Our offensive line is not good enough to consistently blow the opposing team off the ball in the running game.

2-David Johnson experience since college has been as an outside runner, and he only has worked to develop his inside running game since he has come to the NFL.

3-There are advanced metrics that indicate teams are more successful running the ball out of spread formations vs heavy personnel.

I know those things are facts.

Here is what I think.

I think the Cardinals have a better chance in running the ball when the opposing defense has to respect the short, outside passing game.

I think the Cardinals have a better chance executing combination blocks to the 2nd level of defenses if the opposing LBs are moving sideways at the snap vs downhill.

I think David Johnson has a better chance to cutback a run for a successful gain if the backside DE has to respect some sort of activity vs crashing down the line.

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To answer your question, I know our lack of success running the ball is due to our scheme doing very little to increase it's chances for success on most plays. In my mind, this is due to lazy play schemes by a lazy OC. If we had a premier offensive line, this scheme would work. Hands down. But, we don't, and we don't show any self awareness by doing different things to overcome this limitation.
 

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This needs to be said...the 4-3 scheme is not the problem. Chandler Jones can play in it, Patrick Peterson can play in it, and it is the best chance to salvage Robert Nkemdiche.

Our secondary is fine. Our defensive line is fine.

The problem is that we didn't add LBs in the offseason who can play in a 4-3 system. We added CBs in Taylor and Benwickere. We added DEs. But either Wilks didn't scout well enough to understand that Reddick and Bucannon could not play in it, or Keim forced Wilks to make them work. Neither is ok, but that where we are at.
 

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Good post. The David Johnson comments are spot on. He is not being used properly and looks totally frustrated out there. Some are saying he got paid and doesn't care. I blame it on the poor play calling.
 

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Good post. The David Johnson comments are spot on. He is not being used properly and looks totally frustrated out there. Some are saying he got paid and doesn't care. I blame it on the poor play calling.

Been saying this the past three weeks or so. They consistently do not use him coming out of the backfield for passing plays.
 
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